Kitchandro

Time to start a phoenix club.

Are we really gonna have this guy in charge of the Forest match when he doesn’t care at all? We could ruin their season purely with a new manager bounce. Even if that manager is Andy King in a caretaker role. He’d have Vardy on side at least. But no, let’s get humiliated there again, why not.

Why would you hope he goes to Saudi? If you like a player, going to Saudi should sour your feelings towards him. Wrexham are just Wrexham after all, they’re not particularly controversial or disrespectful to normal people.

If it was me making the decision, I would listen to what Sheffield Wednesday fans think of him. It’s the most accurate indicator of how we’ll feel about him, and when all is said and done that’s all that will matter. If he’s as hated as Puel or Rodgers, for example, it won’t matter what the results are or what league we are in. People will stop caring. I don’t know why I’m even taking an interest myself as I just know it’s going to be Martin.

And yet he was well below Cooper in the table. is it cos he’s got a nice ‘aura’?

The only thing that still annoys me is that our demise is not being faithfully covered by the media. No attention on the banner, Sky saying we’ve no problem with the owner, BBC not reposting negative Leicester texts/tweets but focusing on Liverpool and Monga being 15. Other clubs are allowed to be upset about being midtable - but the narrative for us is that this is ok for Leicester. It’s almost as if there is an agenda against genuine reporting of the situation, they can’t claim they aren’t aware.

We're going down without a shot on target, we've brought on defensive subs, and our owner and DOF are sat laughing...sums up this club

Nope, that’s not how it works. The board is not the manager, nor the players, nor the scout. It’s those people who make successful football teams. Unless, of course, the owner is so much richer than the majority of clubs that spending power alone is the major reason for success. If the club had consistently hired the right managers, the right scouts, the right directors of football, and had made changes in these departments as soon as things started to go south - you might have a point. But their strike rate has been extremely low in these aspects; and the dramatic difference in some of our seasons suggests their longevity here was not the main factor in any success - which certainly wasn’t constant. Pearson had to undo the mess they created in their first two years to get us promoted. We won the league in between two seasons where we were nearly relegated. People gave up their season tickets as we stagnated under the dreadful Puel, we had Champions League form, followed by bottom half form, followed by relegation form under Rodgers (some of that mixed into single seasons), and the less said about this season the better. There’s no evidence that there was a consistent plan or way of thinking that led to success. The board aren’t making the football decisions, but can easily screw up a club due to being responsible for the money, hiring and firing - which we are a perfect example of.

We haven’t scored at home this year. We are entitled to see one goal in 4 months.

Why, because he drew one game?

These criticisms are fair but it’s a not Vichai who solved those issues it? Pearson left only because of non-footballing reasons. We only ended up with Ranieri for circumstantial reasons and both managers had a comparatively small budget. We wouldn’t have won the league without Holloway or Sousa taking over based on the butterfly effect but that doesn’t mean they contributed anything positive. Vichai made some good decisions and some very poor ones, he was extremely lucky things fell into place with two managers and great scouting on a budget.

What don’t you get? They were battering them until those subs. Completely killed their momentum and the flow of the game. PSG are very poor defensively and a decent team would have hammered them tonight. Being good going forward isn’t everything.

McGinn as well. I mean I don’t rate him but he was central to everything in this half, taking them both off was criminal. I guess that’s why he’s only managing Villa.

The Martin apologists have already spawned on this thread I see. The objective has to be some long term optimism and enjoyment from watching football. With Martin we get a certainty of continuing to play horrible to watch, slow football that will be utterly destroyed at the level we are aiming to play at. It would be an unforgivable, totally unprofessional appointment on the level of Cooper and RVN. I want nothing to do with the club if he’s the manager. I mean I’ve already stopped watching but I guess I’ll start burning my retro shirts or something if he’s our choice.

Can’t wait for the justifications from some fans for going to this.

He’s not trying to win. You can’t argue that he is. Another unchanged side. We should be able to cancel his contract for breaching it.

This bloke is on the wind up, no question.

That’s not the way Russel Martin teams play. So he wouldn’t do that.

And Ranieri. People act like he never even existed. We wouldn’t have won the league with Pearson’s tactics.

Personally I think players should live in the area. It’s a local sports team, you’re supposed to representing the community. Footballers have an immensely privileged lifestyle without contributing anything tangible to society. The mitigation is that they’re supposed to be inspiring the local community. If you don’t fancy living in or around the city, you’re essentially disrespecting it and you’re certainly not connecting with it. I’ve said it before, a club without pride in itself is worthless. The players aren’t proud to be a part of it.

We’ve had these owners for 15 years, different managers have brought different fortunes. Of course it can make a difference. Whether it will result in a complete turnaround in fortunes is another matter. But we can organise a defence better, score an actual goal, win a match even. And if a new manager has a longer preparation he could make us competitive in the long run. The thread asks what we would do. Top would hire a crap manager, I’d hire a good one. But the club needs some self-respect first - Ruud needs to go without question.

I honestly think that back 4 was better. Some of them had solid Premier League careers after.

We weren’t 95% down a few weeks ago when he could also have been sacked. So it’s a weak argument. If we are down, and the manager we have is completely irrelevant, put him on gardening leave (or whatever it is), and we’ll just have the team run by, well, literally anyone. Give it to Andy King, give it to a fan, let the players run it democratically. If the players are so bad that they can’t possibly be coached better than this, as is regularly suggested on here, why bother having a manager? The reason he should have been sacked already is because yes, we should have some pride. It cannot possibly get any worse. It’s impossible. A club without pride has no worth whatsoever, it then merely exists as a business and is therefore meaningless as a sporting and community entity. Because local sporting institutions are about pride and competitiveness. In any case, a professional football club worth so many millions should be trying, not giving up. That’s what I expect. Sack the guy out of principle. Because you care and have standards. That’s a very good reason to do something in any context.

Top ambitions makes it sound like we think Top is ambitious. The media already think it’s all about Rudkin so they could easily read it as Rudkin’s decisions are undermining Top. We need to be clearer about what the message is.