Finnegan

It's not snobbery it's just sense. I don't think Dyche football would be in any way an intelligent way to get us out of the Championship in the first place. Everyone's going to see us coming and be terrified even the second time around, teams are still going to be playing defensive against us and we'll still have to break it down. It's also silly to suggest getting promoted and playing anti football is the only way to stay up. We keep talking about Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, etc on here but for good reason. They've all gone up and established themselves without having to resort to caveman football. They all had the good sense to know when they had to park the bus occasionally when the got promoted, it wasn't all naive silliness. But they're also capable of beating sides. I don't need us to hire the next Pep, I'm happy with a different tactical approach, we can play fast counter attacking football, sit in a lower block and wait for transition. I don't give a shit if we make like Nuno and win off 30% possession. But Dyche is a football terrorist. I don't want that shit. He's just one man out of literally tens of thousands of coaches on the planet, it's not a case of we either deluded ourselves we can perform some miracle and get Fabregas / Still OR get Sean Dyche. Who on here is going to claim they'd have thought of Silva, Iraola, Hurzeler or Frank before they moved to English football? Granted this is all moot because our board have no imagination and they've probably already approached Martin ffs but I absolutely cannot get my head around anyone as sensible as you are trying to justify Dyche. Why on earth would you want to watch that?

I'm so disappointed in you

He was the England interim manager for five minutes and before that he did international youth football. He has very little to end real experience with a club. Enzo was an inexperienced big risk but at least he'd been involved coaching in club football for about seven years prior including working in two stints at Man City who, like or loathe them, are superbly well run from a football point of view. Carsley has nowhere near even Enzo's CV and Enzo, again, was a huge risk. Carsley would need significant hand holding from a competent director of football that could just let him coach and even then what does he know about managing a squad through a league season? In any normal world, Carsley wouldn't be anywhere near the conversation getting any managers job in the Championship let alone one at a club expecting to win it. It's only because the English football world has this weird, fanatical relationship with the national team. If he'd followed any other England manager there wouldn't be the buzz, it's just Southgate plays such dour anti football that people think Carsley is master entertainer because he couldn't possibly have done worse. Insane rumour.

I honestly don't know. I wouldn't have thought of Enzo Maresca in a million years before he was linked but he was superb. I'm not qualified to comb Europe looking for potential head coaches. I 100% agree with people who want to see a culture change in the squad and a return to hiring players who are hard working, who are fighters, who are leaders, as Nige used to. But I don't think you have to be a footballing caveman to have that outlook. Sean Dyche is not the only manager / coach on the planet that values a bit of graft and hard work in his players. I even understand people not wanting possession based football, that's fine, they think it's boring. OK. But so is Dyche ball. It's ****ing hideous and nobody will enjoy watching it. There's literally no reason for us to ever hire him at all. He brings literally no value to us.

@Mark if I do the leg work and and read all 54 pages of the thread to identify everyone that's said Sean Dyche would be a good idea, can you bulk ban them in one go?

Cesc is doing extremely well but his next job will be at a big top flight club, he's not touching us with a barge pole. Insane delusion. Carsley is a ****ing ridiculous idea.

Completely delusional if the club think Fabregas is coming here. Carsley would be a ****ing joke, just another vogue name with no experience. Manages England for two minutes and now he's the English Pep, ffs. And if we straight up copy Southampton's homework and hire Martin then Top and Rudkin need to be put in a rocket and hired in to the sun.

Mate, you know most of the world doesn't see us any "bigger" than Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford, right?

Both parties signed a contract. People need to park their anger a moment and get a bit of perspective. He's a human being that's uprooted his family to take a job in another country. A job he's done to the best of his ability. He might have fallen short but you can't fault his ambition for trying, our board were foolish to take such a risk on him in the first place. If his contract says he's due X compensation in the event the club want to terminate that contract then he's due X compensation. People getting angry with him for this are the same as people getting angry at footballers who want to stay when we've paid them high wages or, alternatively, footballers who want to see out their contracts and leave on a free. It's what a contract is. Ruud has done absolutely nothing wrong and nobody should "hate" him on a human level, that's just ****ing unhealthy. He's just not a good enough football manager for the level we're at or probably even the level we're going down to. That's our fault for hiring him, not his.

Because I can't be arsed debating it, it's irrelevant isn't it, we're down anyway. I don't disagree but it's like debating whether one STD is better than another.

Absolutely blows my mind the amount of people not intelligent enough to hold two different opinions in their head at the same time. It is possible for Ruud to be crap and get us relegated and also Cooper to be crap and was going to get us relegated. Even if Ruud is worse (I think he actually might be to be honest) that doesn't suddenly make Cooper good. They are just both terrible managers and were terrible appointments, nothing else really needs to be discussed.

Different rules.

Entitlement would be us having the budget of Burton Albion and getting upset at not being a Premier League team. The club having ungodly amounts of money to spend, money that's partly ours, by the way, that we've paid in through high ticket prices, food prices, merch prices, etc. Having that money and wasting it as badly as they have through terrible sporting business decisions and an out dated working model? That's legitimate cause for frustration.