Muzzy_Larsson

A bit of a diamond in the rough but I read this morning due to the crisis in Ukraine Manor Soloman from Donetsk is available for £10m and has been linked with Fulham. An asbolute no brainer in terms of taking a punt on him at that price imo. In a normal climate he'd probably cost 2.5 times that. Have seen him half a dozen times and every time he's been excellent. Confortable on both feet so can play wide either side.

Yes we did. Do you remember the Hearts game for example right after he left when we had basically no midfield left and we had to throw an untried, 18 year old Ewan Henderson in to midfield to start. That very season we were absolutely riddled with injuries from the start of the season until when he left so well over half a season (https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1082370/Celtic-news-Brendan-Rodgers-Scottish-Premiership-Tom-Rogic-James-Forrest), so much so that I'm pretty sure we were languishing around 3rd or 4th in the table come October. Or going to ibrox with no fit strikers and having to play Mikey Johnstone up front (more than once), or having to negotiate the champions league qualifiers with Eoghan O'Connell and Nir Bitton at centre back. We have had injury crisises under various managers like you say but look how Ange manages the squad now he has that luxury (since the January window), he's being clever and rotating players in the right games. The key thing you leave out is Rodgers inability to rotate properly when he was here, he ran players into the ground. Look at Tierney and the injury problems he's having now and latterly at his time at us, all most likely the result of running him into the ground and never resting him in his formative years when he was still developing physically. The stats also say Rodgers didn't rotate enough as I'm pretty sure Tierney, McGregor and Forrest all played the most minutes in world football three years on the trot or something like that. There were plenty of games, particularly at home, against the likes of St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton, etc where Rodgers could have rested the guys I mentioned and never did.

Even you couldn't not like Ange

You are being a bit too kind there to McBurnie imo Ric with the "old fashioned" description. Carthorse, donkey or something like that would be more fitting

He'd have his pick of CL clubs across Europe, Italian sides for example would be all over him. He wouldn't come here.

Not seen this guy so can't comment too much, one word of caution would be Ollie McBurnie managed to also score 20 goals for Swansea in the championship and he plays football like he's trying to ride a unicycle at the same time.

Right from one of Congerton's lists at Celtic, we were heavily linked with him when he was at Feyenoord I think it was. Wasn't bowled over with him when I went off and researched him at the time so I'd be amazed if he's even as good as what's already at the club in the CB department.

Natural order restored. Champions again as you know. 4th treble in five years is on!

Yeah I had the same observations when I put the post together and also like yourself, have no idea how it compares to other clubs.

Not a Rodgers bashing post but here are lists of all his signings from his last four clubs for anyone wanting to deep dive into his recruitment and make their own mind up. The point in this post I guess is to use the evidence thus far to make your mind up as to whether or not you'd back him in the transfer market to undertake the rebuild that is undoubtedly coming. Here is a breakdown of his signings at each of his previous clubs. I have left out Reading and Watford and all fees are from transfermrkt. For clarity 'Sales from Rodgers signings' include sales that were made of players he signed even after he'd left the respective club as manager. 'Transfer fees received' are money he brought in from sales in his time as manager at the respective club, whether the players he sold were his signings or not. I have marked asterixes (*) next to those signings have made long term, decent contributions at the respective clubs and who could have been considered a relative success. I've omitted Swansea from this analysis though as my knowledge isn't deep enough there. Swansea Transfer fees spent: £12.47m Transfer fees received: £410k Net Spend: £12.06m Sales from Rodgers signings: £34.7m Scott Sinclair - £540k Leon Britton - £45k Danny Graham - £3.51m Wayne Routledge - £2.93m Leroy Lita - £1.80m Michel Vorm - FC Utrecht - £1.53m Jose Moreira - £765k Darnel Situ - £275k Curtis Obeng - £216k Rory Donnelly - £113k Luke Moore - Free Neil Taylor - Free Ryan Harley - Free Scott Donnelly - Free Gerhard Tremmel - Free Fede Bassone - Free Gylfi Sigurdsson - Loan (Fee was £450k) Tamas Priskin - Loan (Fee was £302k) Fabio Borini - Loan Jermaine Easter - Loan Marvin Emnes - Loan Frank Nouble - Loan Steven Caulker - Loan Josh McEachran - Loan Liverpool Transfer fees spent: £296.55m Transfer fees received: £118.59m Net Spend: £177.96m Sales from Rodgers signings: £265.95m Fabio Borini - £10.4m Joe Allen - £15m* Oussama Assaidi - £3m Samed Yesil - £1m Daniel Sturridge - £12m* Phillipe Coutinho - £8.5m* Luis Alberto - £6.8m Iago Aspas - £7.0m Simon Mignolet - £9.0m* Mamadou Sakho - £15.0m* Tiago Llori - £3.5m Rickie Lambert - £4.5m Adam Lallana - £25.0m* Emre Can - £9.75m* Lazar Markovic - £19.8m Dejan Lovren - £20.0m* Divock Origi - £9.8m* Alberto Moreno - £12m Mario Balotelli - £16m Joe Gomez - £6m* Danny Ings - £8m Nathaniel Clyne - £12m* Roberto Firmino - £29.0m* Christian Benteke - £32.5m James Milner - Free* Adam Bogdan - Free Kolo Toure - Free* Kevin Stewart - Free Nuri Sahin - Loan Aly Cissokho - Loan Victor Moses - Loan Javier Manquillo - Loan Celtic Transfer fees spent: £31.76m Transfer fees received: £29.35m Net Spend: £2.41m Sales from Rodgers signings: £17.01m (Bulk of this was the Edouard sale from this summer after he left) * I've not included Moussa Dembele as a Rodgers signing or as a 'Sale from Rodgers signing' as this deal was agreed prior to his arrival Scott Sinclair - £3.69m* Eboue Kouassi - £3.15m Cristian Gamboa - £1.0m Olivier Ntcham - £4.5m* Charly Musonda - Loan (Fee was £2.25m) Jack Hendry - £1.44m Johnny Hayes - £1.32m Marven Compper - £1.03m Lewis Morgan - £300k Odsonne Edouard - £9.27m* Vakoun Bayo - £2.01m Maryan Shved - £1.80m Kolo Toure - Free Dorus De Vries - Free Scott Bain - Free* Youssouf Mulumbu - Free Manny Perez - Free Andrew Gutman - Free Emillio Izzaguire - Free Kundai Benyu - Free Patrick Roberts - Loan* Filip Benkovic - Loan* Daniel Arzani - Loan Jeremy Toljan - Loan Timothy Weah - Loan Oliver Burke - Loan Leicester Transfer fees spent: £208.8m Transfer fees received: £130.75m Net Spend: £78.05m Sales from Rodgers signings: £0m Youri Tielemens - £40.5m* Ayoze Perez - £31.5m Dennis Praet - £17.28m James Justin - £6.03m* Wesley Fofana - £31.5m* Timothy Castagne - £18.0m* Patson Daka - £27.0m Boubakary Soumare - £18.0m Jannik Vestergaard - £15.84m Ryan Bertrand - Free Cenguz Under - Loan (Fee was £3.15m) Ryan Bennett - Loan Ademola Lookman - Loan Daka, Soumare and Lookman are not long in the door and aren't bad signings it's just too early to consider them a success or failure yet imo.

I don't think it's as black and white as that, although it's a weak league what Rodgers done domestically in winning every trophy almost three years on the spin is incredible in any environment at any level of football. I'm agreeing and disagreeing with you to a point as although that is an amazing achievement I don't think it's a good gauge as to how a manager would do with a club, with say middling resources in the EPL. What is a decent gauge imo though on how someone managing Celtic would fare in one of the top league's is how they perform in Europe as the scenario there isn't too much different from managing a middling club in a bigger league. Ntcham over the piece doesn;t go down as a success, he had some good games but they were accompanied by 9 or 10 stinkers and we ended up letting him go for free. The stuff about him building his own side, I think you are absolutely spot on.

Nope

Yeah exactly that, I think for any manager, climbing from 11/12th in England to top 6 and staying there for a couple of seasons is far harder than coming in at Celtic and being asked to win the league.

A good point mate, I think we are comparing apples and oranges a tad though. I think he would have got more time at Celtic and would have had a greater chance of turning things round if there was a big slide. The main reason being, he's essentially got one other side to be better than in our league, he has more resources in our league than any other team. For example, losing a league to Rangers and then trying to win it back is a far easier ask than Leicester say dropping the 11th or 12th and getting them back where they were into 5th and winning trophies etc.

Along with Sunderland fans, Hamburg fans and wherever else he's been. The high profile recruitment meeting notes from the meeting he was chairing that were leaked were the most embaressing, amateur hour thing ever.

He is a top class coach imo, but it's subjective and not a very evidenced backed thing to counter when things are now turning to sh!t a fair bit under him now. It feels like the whole debate, on both sides in some instances is all getting a bit personal. It's fine to praise him when things are going well, as many have done, but when things turn to sh!t he's up there to be shot at, that's how it works in football, it's fickle and ruthless.

Look at my first ever post on the forum, two weeks after he was appointed that @sacreblueits442 just posted, said all of the exact same things then.

Thank you Wouldn't change a single bit of what I wrote there tbh. That was my first ever post on this forum btw, how time flies

He wasn't bad at Celtic, of course he wasn't, I just told you he gave me some of the best memories I've ever had as a fan. It's important to be balanced though, domestically he was phenomenal, I doubt any Celtic manager will ever even compare to the success he achieved domestically with us. He developed what were a bunch of mediocre players prior to his arrival in to world beaters in Scottish terms, brought young players on immensely too. The bad bits were Europe and recruitment, so much so that when he left he was still relying on the same core of players that were already at the club when he came in, despite spending a lot on transfers in Scottish terms, remind you of another situation at another club? For a host of reasons it's also far easier to dominate domestically with Celtic than keep Leicester in the upper echelons of the premier league so obviously the spotlight will shine more brightly on him at Leicester in terms of his flaws. My opinion on his time at Celtic is and can be very different to that of how he has performed at Leicester, don't see what is odd about that. I said all these same things, good and bad when he was appointed Leicester manager on here at the time, about him and specifically about Congerton only to be shot down in most cases. As @Ric Flair pointed out the other day pretty much most of what I said about Rodgers back then, both good and bad regarding his spell at Celtic has worked out in very similar ways at Leicester also.

I was but I think now things are deteriorating like they do at all his clubs pretty much in the third year. I just don't see him arresting the slide significantly and the thought of allowing him to be responsible for a rebuild fills me with fear. I like to think I was always balanced in my appraisal of him on here, even though initially a lot of people wouldn't hear of his flaws and limitations. Rodgers gave me some of the best memories of my life supporting Celtic and I'll be forever grateful and overall he was an amazing manager for Celtic and I was gutted when he left. He does have some obvious flaws though, that don't seem to be disappearing and in a more competitive league, they are being highlighted to a greater degree. I very much was, am and always will be anti-Congerton though, just for clarity.

It was Rodgers that brought the idiot in so he should be just as responsible.

The fact that Rodgers is 3+ years in and we are still talking about Amartey as a viable CB option is indicative of a failing system when you consider recruitment over his period at the club.

Needs too many chances to score and wouldn't get that in a stronger league. It's telling he's been at Rangers for so long with not a lot of firm interest in him.

I keep saying this but it was similar at Celtic. We ran Tierney, Forrest and McGregor into the ground under Rodgers, pretty sure all three were among the top 5 in terms of minutes played in a single season three seasons in a row. Tierney and Forrest have been pretty much maligned with injuries since.

I think Tuchel almost disproves your point a bit tbh. He took a set of players who were vastly underperforming under Lampard and turned them into champions league winners. I do agree however if you have a rotten set of players with a collective honking attitude like at Man Utd then who you have as manager becomes pretty academic.