Muzzy_Larsson

I actually forgot about Fofana but yeah for sure he certainly has the potential to be also.

Don't like his attitude and don't think he works hard enough for Rodgers liking. Will be on huge wages also, kind of wages that other players in the Leicester squad would also feel they would rightly be deserving of.

Latest rumour up here re Karamoko Dembele is that he's signed for Ajax.

Exactly this.

There is no dictionary definiton even that is subjective "Among the best in the world" Among the best 2, among the best 10, among the best 100? Your missing my point, like I said I'm not saying Ferguson is correct I'm using him as a high profile example of how subjective the term world class is and how it's precision can vary wildly depending on who you ask. You seem to be taking this as a personal attack on the club or the players or whatever and it's not. Leicester are one of the best clubs in the world, with one of the best managers, with several young players who according to how I interpret it anyway could be very much world class. Exciting times!

Yeah on one hand you could say that, on the other, despite them nt being a vintage Madrid side they are in the last 8 of the champions league and still in with a shout of winning La Liga. Going round in circles a bit but like you say it's a subjective thing, I just thing terms like world class, legends, etc gets thrown around a bit too easily nowadays hence my perhaps more strict criteria.

It was used to illustate the point that the very notion of world class is subjective and can mean completely different things to a whole host of people, with loads of shades of grey in between.

It's subjective mate, that's my point, it doesn't make your notion of what world class is any more accurrate than mine, or vice versa. That's why I posted Sir Alex Ferguson's measure of it, that's even more stringent again.

I'm not disagreeing with your logic mate, like I said it's subjective and I'm not claiming my gauge is the correct one. Like I said in my mind though, you need to be showing your class against the very best in the world season in and season out, winning trophies, etc. It was only this time last year Tielemans was getting battered by a lot on here, undeservedly so right enough. Tielemans with the national team is a good point, should he win the Euros or take that tournament by storm then there's a strong case to make for him being world class, even based on my criteria.

My criteria is less stringent than this but for the purposes of the thread here is Sir Alex Ferguson's interpretation of world class. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10001297/sir-alex-ferguson-i-only-ever-had-four-world-class-players-at-manchester-united

Better on what basis? Like I said my yardstick is players doing it consistently at the highest possible level, I don't think it's a valid comparison to compare players with the greatest respect who went out the Europa League at the last 16 stage with guys who are performing and mixing it with the very best in the last four of the champions league and the likes, particularly the guys who do this season after season. Tielemans and Ndidi unquestionably have everything to be world class but until they consistently show that at the very highest level, based on my interpretation of world class anyway, I don't think you can consider them to be.

Well that's the bones of my point, as much of a monster of a player as Ndidi is until he starts mixing it with the guys at the very top level of the game and replicating that frm consistently at Champions league level I don't think you can compare him to guys who are and have been doing it consistently, in the latter stages of the champions league, year in year out. He unquestionably has the ability to hit those heights though. Off the top of my head I'd give examples of the type of players who have been and are doing that are Kante (obviously even higher again with winning a world cup), Casemiro, Fabinho (understand he's had a poor season this year), Kimmich (probably the best RB and holding midfielder lol). In terms of ability and potential Ndidi is right up there but like I've been saying my gauge of world class goes beyond that. From my own club, in all my time of watching them I'd say I've only ever seen one player who was world class and that was Larsson, particularly in the year he won the European golden boot scoring 53 goals. Like I was saying it all depends on how you define 'world class'.

It all depends on your definition of world class. For me world class is being one of the best 2 or 3 players in your position in world football and consistently performing at the highest level, in a top league and the champions league. By that definition and I don't mean this in a bad way none of the current crop of Leicester players are world class at the moment, a couple have the potential to be though. After reading Alex Ferguson's second book I re-evaluated what world class meant based on his evaluation of it. I'd say in the title winning side Kante, Mahrez and possibly Vardy could have been considered world class mind you. Much like Larsson was at Celtic though, whatever Vardy is you wouldn't swap him for any other player in the world at any point in time as he's symbolic and what he is and represents goes way beyond just footballing ability.

I don't care if I look like a clueless twat this guy is something else

Another great finish from my man

I actually used to play for one of those clubs!

I don't think twitter and social media in general is the best place for a litmus test in all honesty, it attracts the worst kind of people and that's not limited to Celtic and Rangers or even football in general. Having lived in Glasgow all my life grown up in a day and age where my parents wouldn't let me leave the house wearing the colour green and people being stabbed, killed, etc I can tell you it's not even close to what it as like in those days now, things are far safer, far more subdued and far less volatile than they were. It has mellowed a great deal believe me. The Glen Kamara scenes before the game today when every Celtic player and member of staff, starting with Brown personally approached Kamara to lend them his support after the shocking events of midweek show there is a level of respect. Or when Walter Smith and Ally McCoist carried Tommy Burns coffin, or when hundreds of Celtic fans paid their respects at Ibrox when Fernando Ricksen tragically passed away recently. John Greig basically being called out as one of Billy McNeil's closest friends when he recently passed away/ All of that is at odds with a lot of the ill founded assumptions on here about the two clubs. I'm not saying there aren't issues still of course they are but I do laugh when people have no real foundation for what they say go on about the relationship between the clubs and the fans nowadays and base that on pre-conceived notions from 20+ years ago.

Given the quotes about tightening belts in the other thread and the re-birth of Iheanacho I'm not sure it'd be wise to spend £30m+ on Toney as that's what it'll probably take to get him. Celtic could have had him for 7 fckin million in the fckin summer as well. Fckin lawell.

Wait until late on in August and Edouard could be available for even less. Not that I want that to happen of course but I fear that's what will happen.

Yeah Soyuncu looks the most dispensible for sure. Decent centre back's are much easier and typically far less expensive to find than say a creative midfielder were someone like Maddison be the one to go.

Might be time to make a big sale and reinvest to improve the squad overall.

Cobblers

Bellingham must be nailed on to be in the senior squad.

Couldn't afford him, strugglng financially as it is.

Christ