Finnegan Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Has the rule changed then since Lehmann committed a red card offence and Ludivic Guilly scored straight after in what would have been the advantage but the ref had stopped play immediately to award a red card, as he should? That was the Champions League final. Whether Costa goes down or not is irrelevant, Mertesacker impedes him deliberately and is the last defender going to stop him. You can't make up a rule that says just because a player goes down a bit easy it's less of a foul. I mean it'd be nice n'all but how could you possibly judge that? You can't have a panel on the side reviewing decisions debating how easy it would have been for Costa to stay on his feet. I've been brought down before running full tilt by people who had missed me because I had to change my stride to try and avoid them. You seriously under estimate how disruptive having a six foot four inch German come flying at you can be. I'm willing to bet you're not a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcarr21 Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 I bet there isn't this much debate about the red card on the Arsenal forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Considering that players go down so easily these days, so if they stay on their feet the referee simply believes that there has been no contact. But that's an entirely different conversation. Interesting area - players have learned to anticipate fouls. It's a reaction thing, the more you see something, the better you are at reacting to it because you can sense from the visual clues given what is about to occur, so in most cases players subconsciously know a foul is coming before it's even happened and take preparing action to avoid the hit - a quite sensible thing to do. That however can sometimes cause 'dives' because the expected hit isn't forthcoming. This is not excusing the more theatrical, added emphasis dives, but given a player needs their legs to make a living it is actually quite natural to make sure that when a foul challenge is made as little of that impacts on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesMorganGod Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Roberto Martinez got relegated with Wigan, before him they were doing well in the prem with Jewell. Then somehow got a prem club after being relegated and has made Everton worse, they also finished higher with Moyes. He talks a good game but when you really look at his stats, he has made every club worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertstreet Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 I bet there isn't this much debate about the red card on the Arsenal forum well no they're all sharing hairgel tips I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 I was under the impression that if a foul is adjudged to be deserving of a straight red, then the play is stopped, a free kick (or penalty) given, and the red card shown - regardless of whether or not the player is in a position to use the advantage? So if the referee sees the challenge as a foul, and in the circumstances it deserves a straight red, then it doesn't matter if Costa stays on his feet or not - the same outcome should still occur. Of course, the likelihood of the free kick even being given if Costa stayed on his feet is a whole lot lower, considering that players go down so easily these days, so if they stay on their feet the referee simply believes that there has been no contact. But that's an entirely different conversation. That is true for violent conduct, so a dangerous tackle but the ruling is this: From here http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/7.%20law%2012_miscounduct_557.pdf If that was the case then I would agree, but stopping a goal scoring opportunity relies on a goal scoring opportunity being stopped and that depends on the fouled player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Has the rule changed then since Lehmann committed a red card offence and Ludivic Guilly scored straight after in what would have been the advantage but the ref had stopped play immediately to award a red card, as he should? That was the Champions League final. Whether Costa goes down or not is irrelevant, Mertesacker impedes him deliberately and is the last defender going to stop him. You can't make up a rule that says just because a player goes down a bit easy it's less of a foul. I mean it'd be nice n'all but how could you possibly judge that? You can't have a panel on the side reviewing decisions debating how easy it would have been for Costa to stay on his feet. I've been brought down before running full tilt by people who had missed me because I had to change my stride to try and avoid them. You seriously under estimate how disruptive having a six foot four inch German come flying at you can be. I'm willing to bet you're not a winger. But the rule isn't last man any more, it is stopping a goal scoring opportunity, and the goal scoring opportunity is only stopped by Costa diving. I don't doubt the last bit at all, having someone flying in can cause you to fall over without contact and I get pissed off with pundits going on about contact like it is the only thing that makes a foul, but watching Costa that isn't the case. His stride isn't disrupted, his foot is clearly planted and then he goes over in a way that would make no sense if it was the situation you describe. His supporting foot doesn't slip, his momentum doesn't make him stumble forwards, he decides he is going down. I'm full back by trade, so I'm used to flying in on fast wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Roberto Martinez got relegated with Wigan, before him they were doing well in the prem with Jewell. Then somehow got a prem club after being relegated and has made Everton worse, they also finished higher with Moyes. He talks a good game but when you really look at his stats, he has made every club worse. Wigan always flirted with relegation in the Premier League. After Bruce left they finished 16th twice before eventually getting relegated. They lost a lot of good players over the years in the Premier League too tbf - you think about the likes of Bullard, Baines, Heskey, N'Zogbia etc.. Relegation was always inevitable for how Wigan were going, same with Blackburn in the end too. Lets not take away Martinez' excellent FA Cup win with Wigan. But I do agree somewhat as I really don't rate him too much. Did well with Everton in his first year but since then they've gone backwards, which is strange given how strong the squad is. They should be pushing Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 I bet there isn't this much debate about the red card on the Arsenal forum We'll they are probably not as bored at work as some of us on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Wigan always flirted with relegation in the Premier League. After Bruce left they finished 16th twice before eventually getting relegated. They lost a lot of good players over the years in the Premier League too tbf - you think about the likes of Bullard, Baines, Heskey, N'Zogbia etc.. Relegation was always inevitable for how Wigan were going, same with Blackburn in the end too. Lets not take away Martinez' excellent FA Cup win with Wigan. But I do agree somewhat as I really don't rate him too much. Did well with Everton in his first year but since then they've gone backwards, which is strange given how strong the squad is. They should be pushing Europe. It's because he has started to train their defenders. He inherited a well drilled Moyes back four with disciplined covering midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcarr21 Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 We'll they are probably not as bored at work as some of us on here. I suppose with the lack of chebs this is all we have to discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 It's because he has started to train their defenders. He inherited a well drilled Moyes back four with disciplined covering midfielders. Oh yeah, I agree. They try to play out of the back too which can sometimes be a problem when defenders cannot do it and with these recent errors it makes you wonder. Or at least makes Everton wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danizen Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 well no they're all sharing hairgel tips I reckonOr informing each other of the latest online polls to swamp. God forbid Arsenal/an Arsenal player loses out to a public vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Newcastle & Sunderland after Bamba Football gossip Both the Yorkshire Evening Post and the Evening Chronicle are reporting high interest from Newcastle United and Sunderland in Leeds United defender Sol Bamba. The Ivory Coast international, 31, has been in and out of the side since signing in the summer, with manager Steve Evans keen to keep hold of him but owner Massimo Cellino apparently willing to let him go... The Chronicle also says that Sunderland's chase of Swansea forward Andre Ayew is "dead". http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/34977247 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 I remember his debut in the cup against Man City. Scored pretty early didn't he? Maybe Sunderland and Newcastle are preparing for the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Mark Hughes to Chelsea? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/27/mark-hughes-chelsea-manager-stoke-city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Mark Hughes to Chelsea? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/27/mark-hughes-chelsea-manager-stoke-city I can see the thinking, but I just can't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 Mark Hughes to Chelsea? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/27/mark-hughes-chelsea-manager-stoke-city It would be an interesting move for Chelsea but once again it'll probably be another too big job for Hughes, it'll be like Man City all over again. I think if Hughes ever considered taking the next level up, he should consider a club like Everton. A biggish club with a lot of history, they've got ambition but not to the extend as someone say like Spurs. They'll give him to build, I could see Everton being a big force under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 It would be an interesting move for Chelsea but once again it'll probably be another too big job for Hughes, it'll be like Man City all over again. I think if Hughes ever considered taking the next level up, he should consider a club like Everton. A biggish club with a lot of history, they've got ambition but not to the extend as someone say like Spurs. They'll give him to build, I could see Everton being a big force under him. I see what you are saying but failing at Everton would damage his rep a lot more than failing at Chelsea, really it is a nothing to lose appointment for Hughes if he takes it. Stoke are doing as well as they probably ever could and barring a Leicester Style season they will drop off next season maybe start to lose a few players. Whereas Chelsea can't get any worse than this season. Taking the Chelsea job now is probably the best time to do it as he will have their poor season this season to mitigate any bad start and he will have time to put things right, missing out on the top 4 will not be seen as a failure as long as they are in the top 6/7 and are improving for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 I thought Chelsea were trying to become the most hated club in history when they re-signed Mourinho but this would be a new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandFox Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 De Bruyne's agent says he'll be out a minimum of 6 weeks. Might not play the rest of the season. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/28/kevin-de-bruyne-knee-injury-manchester-city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 For Chelsea to be linked with Hughes suggests to me they are struggling to interest the top names they will have already sounded out. I'm also wondering if they are finding the same with transfer targets, which if is the case, makes the rebuilding job required quite considerable especially considering how many players any new manager needs to try and asses. Ok, the money might be there, but a fractured dressing room, aging squad (again), potential lack of European competition and the possible disruption of a stadium move shortly down the line make it a very challenging prospect for whoever lands the next chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 De Bruyne's agent says he'll be out a minimum of 6 weeks. Might not play the rest of the season. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/28/kevin-de-bruyne-knee-injury-manchester-city Shame for the Premier league because it's worse off without him but good news for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 For Chelsea to be linked with Hughes suggests to me they are struggling to interest the top names they will have already sounded out. I'm also wondering if they are finding the same with transfer targets, which if is the case, makes the rebuilding job required quite considerable especially considering how many players any new manager needs to try and asses. Ok, the money might be there, but a fractured dressing room, aging squad (again), potential lack of European competition and the possible disruption of a stadium move shortly down the line make it a very challenging prospect for whoever lands the next chapter. Simeone at Atletico Madrid or if that fails then Poch at Spurs is a decent shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 28 January 2016 Share Posted 28 January 2016 interestingly just this morning the telegraph did an feature on "which players have the most negative effect on each club". kevin de bruyne has the most negative effect on the win percentage of man city, and if i remember right he had the most negative affect on any club's form . shows how much stats can mess some views up. think city have won every game this season in which he hasn't featured. they'll sure struggle without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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