jimmeh Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Eh, given club representation is the only reason to watch the turgid shit that England has become, watching vardy be excluded in the play was frankly annoying - I watched for vardy and they did their best to avoid giving him any touches at all. Oh bore off. Did there best too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmeh Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 So when okazaki isn't getting the ball for us in a Leicester game it will be 'couldn't quite get into the game' 'was just one of those days' Why not... We were trying hard not to pass the ball to okazaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Yeah, we get it, you don't like Vardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmeh Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Yeah, we get it, you don't like Vardy. I do. But I don't like his behaviour in the casino and don't think he's international standard by a long stretch. I'm an England supporter too and he's nowhere near the levels of sturridge, Walcott, sterling, Rooney. Just hate the fans that blame everyone else when something doesn't go there way. He had a bad game, admit it. Blaming players for not passing to him is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 If he had a bad game why is there a big 2 page piece in my Sunday paper about how good a game he had? Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 He didn't have a good game, for most of the game he was totally anonymous. If he didn't play for us we'd all be slagging him off. That's not to say he's a bad player and if he gets another chance for England he could do well. I just find the attitude on here a little parochial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 I do. But I don't like his behaviour in the casino and don't think he's international standard by a long stretch. I'm an England supporter too and he's nowhere near the levels of sturridge, Walcott, sterling, Rooney. Just hate the fans that blame everyone else when something doesn't go there way. He had a bad game, admit it. Blaming players for not passing to him is embarrassing.Wouldn't say he had a bad game. His style of play and the way England play is just a mismatch. Vardy is an effective counter attacking striker and there was zero attacks to counter from San Marino. No doubt your reply will be that these are all excuses but they're significant factors in a low key performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucalion Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 I thought he was our most creative player in the first half. He did worse when he played in the middle and I do think he didn't receive enough of the ball to make an impression. The only touches he had in the second half were from deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmeh Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Wouldn't say he had a bad game. His style of play and the way England play is just a mismatch. Vardy is an effective counter attacking striker and there was zero attacks to counter from San Marino. No doubt your reply will be that these are all excuses but they're significant factors in a low key performance. So when we play a lower league team at home you wouldn't play vardy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 So when we play a lower league team at home you wouldn't play vardy?Are you ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 If he had a bad game why is there a big 2 page piece in my Sunday paper about how good a game he had? Strange. Leicester Mercury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmeh Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Are you ok? You said his game only suits counter attacking teams... You wouldn't play vardy against a lower team in the fa cup then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 You said his game only suits counter attacking teams... You wouldn't play vardy against a lower team in the fa cup then?No probably not. Rotate thesquad for those rare occasions Still hardly the point i was making...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmeh Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 No probably not. Rotate the squad for those rare occasions Still hardly the point i was making...... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Why?Why what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Oh bore off. Did there best too Were you not watching the match? Every run he made ignored in favour of running into defenders, all play down the right side then when he moved there it all suddenly went down the left - he got nothing from his teammates whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenny_fox Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 All this 'not international standard' stuff does my head in. For years watching the dross that 'Englands finest' have served up, every single man and his dog all said I wish they could pick players on form not just because they play for a top 6 team. Vardy is the most in form English striker in the premier league (the strongest league in the world) so shouldn't he get into the team by merit? Vardy may not be the best technical player around but he has the attributes that I wish more English players have. he didn't have the best game yesterday but that, like other posters have said, was probably mainly due to San Marino literally coming out of their half for all of 1 minute on their way to 1 shot. Vardy works best on the counter with his raw pace and tenacity, so England's (like 90% of premier league teams) pass pass pass style doesn't suit him. Imo Rooney was turgid yesterday (has been for England for many years) and is clearly out of form for club but because he scored one crappy peno people will bang on about him being England's best and he has levelled the record (not taking into consideration the amount of sh1te teams he has played against). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Yeah, we get it, you don't like Vardy. jimmeh doesn't like anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAprice_ Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 I think I get what foxfanazer is saying. Vardy's main strength is his direct running with and without the ball. When you play against a team like San Marino, you can't charge down the opposition and run into space because 1.) the opposition never have the ball and 2.) there is no space. San Marino don't just play with eleven men behind the ball; they play with eleven men in the penalty area. There is NO space. That doesn't mean to say that Vardy is completely ineffective against ALL weak teams. Some weaker teams, usually from Oceania, such as Tahiti, tend to play an over-attacking style to compensate for the defensive hopelessness. In this case, a player like Vardy would probably find himself with a lot more opportunities. People need to remember that when he's playing for England, similarly to Andy King and Wales, he is not their best player. We shouldn't expect him to be on the ball every 10 seconds. It's also worth remembering that Leicester and England are too entirely different teams with completely different tactics. For all we know, Vardy was following Hodgson's instructions. Finally, I think it's fair to say that over-analysis is a disaster at the best of times. When playing a team like San Marino, it quite literally is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 This suggestion of a clique is total bollocks. Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Cole etc have gone. Rooney is about the only one remaining from that circle of *****. I'm not having it that Barkley, Chamberlain, Kane, Shaw, Clyne and Cahill are some sort of clique, whatever that means. We have a mostly likeable (Sterling and Rooney apart) young squad. Last night just wasn't the game for Vardy, and whilst I don't think he got the breaks, he seen plenty of the ball in the first half and has only himself to blame in the second half as he didn't show enough arrogance or confidence. I can't see Vardz having the confidence to take on the shot Kane did for example. Its something for him to work on. Maybe clique is the wrong word but Vardy is definitely an outsider the majority of those on the pitch will have played together throughout their careers at England youth levels, been on more squad meet and will have current and former club mates there. I imagine the last squad Vardy would have buddied up with Austin as similar people in similar situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 You can't assess anyone on these type of games. An awful lot of praise is heading Shelvey's way. It helped him yesterday in that he had all the time in the world and twenty yards ahead of him every time he received the ball. It certainly wasn't a game for wingers. The pitch was worthy of a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 I think he'll be in the team again on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Vardy won't bother, he was written off by loads on here , he is used to it by now.. This. Loads of Leicester fans wrote him off here. I remember people telling me Waghorn was a better option for us, remember arguing with some on here when I said he was better than Rickie Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Jamie has had to endure a torrid line of abuse on Tw@ter fooking disgraceful little trolls let's hope that only picks him up rather than get him down more than deserves his place in the England squad hope he gets a place against the Swiss and gok !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 6 September 2015 Share Posted 6 September 2015 Wouldn't say he had a bad game. His style of play and the way England play is just a mismatch. Vardy is an effective counter attacking striker and there was zero attacks to counter from San Marino. No doubt your reply will be that these are all excuses but they're significant factors in a low key performance. He played better cutting in rather than being stuck in the Middle Woy played him it the wrong position but you can't fault his enthusiasm !! It was more like a training match than a competitive game I do tend to agree with a chap who reckons they should have a sub tournament for the minnow nations !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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