Katy Posted 26 September 2005 Share Posted 26 September 2005 i cant see they were rascist but there still out of order.. not sure wot they could prosecute for.. offensive chanting?? I think inciteful behaviour is deemed an offence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeno Posted 26 September 2005 Share Posted 26 September 2005 Like Cobbo said as soon as the chanting started after we equalised I walked round to the Kop and sat with Carl and Lisa. I enjoy sitting where I do and the atmosphere had been good recently, but idiots like those that were chanting what they did completely ruin it. It was disgusting and a lot more than just that one chant was sung. A lot of people in L1 are like myself and enjoy sitting there for the banter and atmosphere so please don't generalise. Idiots like this are the reason us football fans are looked on by others as thugs and hooligans. I hope those singing it are punished and I hope they haven't ruined it for the rest of us by having the section clossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durnerz Posted 26 September 2005 Share Posted 26 September 2005 I think inciteful behaviour is deemed an offence So why were the Millwall fans not given the same treatment for the Ken Bigley chants, and Liverpool fans for chants of the Munich air disaster when they play Man Utd? Its a sad part of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeno Posted 26 September 2005 Share Posted 26 September 2005 Can someone explain how chants about the London bombings were Racist? Did they also chant something else other then "your just a town full of bombers"? If anything they were in bad taste and showed no respect for the 7/7 victims,i can't see how they were racist! "Where's your rucksack gone" "ran from the paki's" amongst others were sang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted 26 September 2005 Share Posted 26 September 2005 Like Cobbo said as soon as the chanting started after we equalised I walked round to the Kop and sat with Carl and Lisa. I enjoy sitting where I do and the atmosphere had been good recently, but idiots like those that were chanting what they did completely ruin it. It was disgusting and a lot more than just that one chant was sung. A lot of people in L1 are like myself and enjoy sitting there for the banter and atmosphere so please don't generalise. Idiots like this are the reason us football fans are looked on by others as thugs and hooligans. I hope those singing it are punished and I hope they haven't ruined it for the rest of us by having the section clossed. Good for you Matt, maybe shutting it for a bit will give whoever is doing it a jolt but then again anyone who can chant that sort of stuff are too brain dead to realise what they are doing anyway. So why were the Millwall fans not given the same treatment for the Ken Bigley chants, and Liverpool fans for chants of the Munich air disaster when they play Man Utd? Its a sad part of football. Maybe the clubs involved werent in a position to prosecute, im glad Leicester are taking action though it sickens me beyond belief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 26 September 2005 Share Posted 26 September 2005 So why were the Millwall fans not given the same treatment for the Ken Bigley chants, and Liverpool fans for chants of the Munich air disaster when they play Man Utd? Its a sad part of football. Your right it is a sad part of Football but where do you draw the line. I was born in Scotland but dont get offended when people call me a Scottish C*** or Sweaty Jock. Why is calling someone a Black B****rd against the law but calling someone a Fat B****rd is ok. For the record i abhor Racism but where do you draw the line at offending people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 September 2005 Share Posted 26 September 2005 So why were the Millwall fans not given the same treatment for the Ken Bigley chants, and Liverpool fans for chants of the Munich air disaster when they play Man Utd? Its a sad part of football. I suspect it was because the FA got involved, and probably wanted or were pressured into sweeping the whole affair under the carpet, as the negative publicity wouldn't be very good for the image of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 Your right it is a sad part of Football but where do you draw the line. I was born in Scotland but dont get offended when people call me a Scottish C*** or Sweaty Jock. Why is calling someone a Black B****rd against the law but calling someone a Fat B****rd is ok. For the record i abhor Racism but where do you draw the line at offending people? The colour of your skin is something you're born with and can't influence - unlike your weight. By the way, maybe you should find a new user name. Allegiance to 80's gangs is not big and not clever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Mad Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 Your right it is a sad part of Football but where do you draw the line. I was born in Scotland but dont get offended when people call me a Scottish C*** or Sweaty Jock. Why is calling someone a Black B****rd against the law but calling someone a Fat B****rd is ok. For the record i abhor Racism but where do you draw the line at offending people? because being racist is a criminal offence and Foxes against Racism supports directly aginst this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 The colour of your skin is something you're born with and can't influence - unlike your weight. By the way, maybe you should find a new user name. Allegiance to 80's gangs is not big and not clever! What about gingers then? Then get loads of shit and were born with it. Yes, they can dye their hair but I think there's alot of abuse that seems acceptable, which is unfair. I am guilty of singing songs about fat bastards at football and perhaps other insults towards fans and players, and i'm sure 90% of other people on here have sang similar things before. Why is that more acceptable than being racist? I'm not racist and i'd never chant that stuff, but why do I find it acceptable and the public find it acceptable to chant about fat bastards, etc??? Surely it all falls in to the same category and it's either ok or not ok. It shouldn't be regarded that it's ok to sing songs about something a person might be responsible for i.e. being fat and that it's not ok to sing songs about something a person cannot help i.e. the colour of their skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 What about gingers then? Then get loads of shit and were born with it. Yes, they can dye their hair but I think there's alot of abuse that seems acceptable, which is unfair. I am guilty of singing songs about fat bastards at football and perhaps other insults towards fans and players, and i'm sure 90% of other people on here have sang similar things before. Why is that more acceptable than being racist? I'm not racist and i'd never chant that stuff, but why do I find it acceptable and the public find it acceptable to chant about fat bastards, etc??? Surely it all falls in to the same category and it's either ok or not ok. It shouldn't be regarded that it's ok to sing songs about something a person might be responsible for i.e. being fat and that it's not ok to sing songs about something a person cannot help i.e. the colour of their skin. I think it all boils down to the fact that racist chanting is illegal and fatist/ginger chanting etc isnt. People find racist chanting more sociallly unacceptable and shocking than other kinds of chanting - a sad fact, but a fact non the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 I think it all boils down to the fact that racist chanting is illegal and fatist/ginger chanting etc isnt. People find racist chanting more sociallly unacceptable and shocking than other kinds of chanting - a sad fact, but a fact non the less. Yeah I suppose, as you say it is a very sad fact. The thing is banter is good at football matches and some songs go on that do go way below the belt, but it's the nature of the beast and i'm not sure how they can prevent this. 99% of fans know where to draw the line though and I just hope the authorities know this and don't spoil it for the decent fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzied Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 What about gingers then? Then get loads of shit and were born with it. Yes, they can dye their hair but I think there's alot of abuse that seems acceptable, which is unfair. I am guilty of singing songs about fat bastards at football and perhaps other insults towards fans and players, and i'm sure 90% of other people on here have sang similar things before. Why is that more acceptable than being racist? I'm not racist and i'd never chant that stuff, but why do I find it acceptable and the public find it acceptable to chant about fat bastards, etc??? Surely it all falls in to the same category and it's either ok or not ok. It shouldn't be regarded that it's ok to sing songs about something a person might be responsible for i.e. being fat and that it's not ok to sing songs about something a person cannot help i.e. the colour of their skin. Because neither fat nor ginger people were subject to slavery due to their attributes. Nor were 6 million fat or ginger people murdered by the Nazis. Fat and ginger people were not made under the law second class citizens, as in South Africa or the US etc. The list goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzied Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 "Where's your rucksack gone" "ran from the paki's" amongst others were sang I'm even angrier now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 The colour of your skin is something you're born with and can't influence - unlike your weight. By the way, maybe you should find a new user name. Allegiance to 80's gangs is not big and not clever! Oh i suppose your unaware that every hooligan in Italy is called an Ultra! Do me a favour and take yer head for a shit,thats after you get off yer high horse. You Muppet! (Oh sorry is Muppet offensive now!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMC24 Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 Hi Guys This thread has actually made me sign up to this forum, so I apologise that my first post is likely to be controversial and may lead me to being despised on this forum forever. To be honest, I can't see a great deal wrong with the chanting made my the fans in L1. Granted, if I had been there I would have made the choice not to sing along as I would've felt uncomfortable at the bad taste of the chant. It's the same old story though isn't it - How many of you have heard a racist/sexist joke and laughed. How many of you have heard jokes about New Orleans, 9/11, Iraq and laughed. Sometimes you hear these jokes in strange company and recognise that they are offensive and deliberately don't laugh or just smile politely. You can then be heard telling the same joke down the pub amongst your friends because you know they won't be offended by it. These are things that I know I am guilty of, as are a number of people who I know. The reason being, I do not get offended by these jokes. I believe that humour, know matter how distasteful is sometimes the best way to deal with life. It doesn't make me racist, sexist or any less concerned about sad events like the London Bombings, but I exercise my right of free speech to enjoy a little satire, no matter how politically incorrect. So for the people in this thread who are getting on their high horse about mischevious chanting in L1, Ask yourself who got hurt by it?, are you really that guilt-free yourself? and shouldn't we be directing our anger at the perpetrators of such crimes rather than a few alleged jokers in L1 ? As for banning them for life - What happened to free speech in this country? If you can't even sound off at a football match any more, what is the place coming to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 Hi Guys This thread has actually made me sign up to this forum, so I apologise that my first post is likely to be controversial and may lead me to being despised on this forum forever. To be honest, I can't see a great deal wrong with the chanting made my the fans in L1. Granted, if I had been there I would have made the choice not to sing along as I would've felt uncomfortable at the bad taste of the chant. It's the same old story though isn't it - How many of you have heard a racist/sexist joke and laughed. How many of you have heard jokes about New Orleans, 9/11, Iraq and laughed. Sometimes you hear these jokes in strange company and recognise that they are offensive and deliberately don't laugh or just smile politely. You can then be heard telling the same joke down the pub amongst your friends because you know they won't be offended by it. These are things that I know I am guilty of, as are a number of people who I know. The reason being, I do not get offended by these jokes. I believe that humour, know matter how distasteful is sometimes the best way to deal with life. It doesn't make me racist, sexist or any less concerned about sad events like the London Bombings, but I exercise my right of free speech to enjoy a little satire, no matter how politically incorrect. So for the people in this thread who are getting on their high horse about mischevious chanting in L1, Ask yourself who got hurt by it?, are you really that guilt-free yourself? and shouldn't we be directing our anger at the perpetrators of such crimes rather than a few alleged jokers in L1 ? As for banning them for life - What happened to free speech in this country? If you can't even sound off at a football match any more, what is the place coming to. and good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir JJ Wilcox Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 welcome Rich Theres been more controversial first posts mate i actually agree with your points but QPR fans there must of lost family members in the bombings so i suppose it's like me going to your grandmas funeral and singing weres your grandma gone weres your grandma gone. would you find that exceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 Because neither fat nor ginger people were subject to slavery due to their attributes. Nor were 6 million fat or ginger people murdered by the Nazis. Fat and ginger people were not made under the law second class citizens, as in South Africa or the US etc. The list goes on. I appreciate that but I still think it's blown out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Mad Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 welcome Rich Theres been more controversial first posts mate i actually agree with your points but QPR fans there must of lost family members in the bombings so i suppose it's like me going to your grandmas funeral and singing weres your grandma gone weres your grandma gone. would you find that exceptable sorry but thats a classic quote Would you tell a joke about 9/11 to one of the victims family/friends? I wouldnt. Yes i may have laughed at a joke but it doesnt mean that i would go telling it to everyone affected by it. At the end of the day if i knew people who had been victim of a terrorist attack like that and someone sung a song about it i wouldnt be best pleased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 It's the same old story though isn't it - How many of you have heard a racist/sexist joke and laughed. How many of you have heard jokes about New Orleans, 9/11, Iraq and laughed. Sometimes you hear these jokes in strange company and recognise that they are offensive and deliberately don't laugh or just smile politely. You can then be heard telling the same joke down the pub amongst your friends because you know they won't be offended by it. These are things that I know I am guilty of, as are a number of people who I know. The reason being, I do not get offended by these jokes. I believe that humour, know matter how distasteful is sometimes the best way to deal with life. It doesn't make me racist, sexist or any less concerned about sad events like the London Bombings, but I exercise my right of free speech to enjoy a little satire, no matter how politically incorrect. It's about using your judgement, and knowing that something is offensive. Humour is one thing, yes I've heard distasteful jokes, yes I have laughed and told my mates down the pub. What stops me posting them on a public forum is that there will be people who are offended by this. What happened on Saturday goes beyond this. This wasn't a bit of harmless banter, this was someone's 'clever idea' of how to wind up and get a reaction from the opposition supporters. This is incitement, and when crowds are involved, is illegal. When teams have come to Filbo or the WS with their racist diatribe, we've expected no less from them, why should our fans be treated differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir JJ Wilcox Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 Yeah we've had it a few times but dont kick up such a fuss. How many times have awayers sung "Your just a town full of Pakis" to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMC24 Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 Yeah we've had it a few times but dont kick up such a fuss. How many times have awayers sung "Your just a town full of Pakis" to us Does this really bother anyone though? We are a city famous for its ethnic population. I love living here and it makes me laugh that people sing that as an insult to us, when I think it's one of the city's main qualities. It's not really an offensive chant, but because it's meant as offensive, we are offended by it. (does that make sense ?) If I was a QPR fan, I would be laughing at the Leicester fans as in fact the bombers were all from the Leeds area anyway I believe. It's no different to the Munich chanting to Man Utd, jobless thieves chanting to Scousers, Hull being full of dockers and Grimsby fans smelling of fish etc etc..... It's just terrace humour - harsh, not very subtle and extremely Un-PC........gotta love it :-) BTW Thanks for the welcome - much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir JJ Wilcox Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 If you and i were QPR fans we probably wouldn't of be offended by the chanting but what i was trying to say was that if you'd have lost somebody in the bombings you would be very pissed and offended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted 27 September 2005 Share Posted 27 September 2005 I appreciate that but I still think it's blown out of proportion. Not really. there are still people in this countrey that would like to see people off a differen ethnic origin as second class citizens. There are people that think they are inferior and don't deserve to be in our country. Combine this with thousands of years of persucution and murder I think it is flippant at best to compare racism to laughing at someone with ginger hair. <_< Rich-MC24, where is the humour in what was chanted. It is just a childish attempt to fuel up anger. You may not have been hurt by it, but I certainly was angered by it. I get the tube every week of my life and know London is a city in fear, a bit of solidarity fro0m the rest of the country would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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