Next Manager?

[ktfox59]

1 minute ago, ktfox59 said:

Back some years now, checkable on wiki, we had an interim four man team, which included David Nish?

Can only imagine that was put into place in case one of them called in a 6am, spoke to the early morning cleaner, to say he wouldn't be in that day, due to sickness and flu like symptoms during the night??

[norwichfox]

2 minutes ago, Blue ROI said:

I'd hold onto Shakespeare for another month should they win against Hull. It's important that should someone else get the nod that Shakey will remain at the club.

 

A bit of nuisance that theres a couple of league breaks coming up. Would have been good to get some momentum going.

 

I could be proven wrong but I think we'll be safe. The reactions of players like Vardy, Ndidi and Kasper for the goals on Monday were telling. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep top flight status.

Or a Fancy Dress outing in Copenhagen.....

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

So shakey will probably be the favourite tomorrow

 

but what is the bet?

 

next permanent lcfc manager because if it is, shakey may only stay interim manager 

 

make sure you check what the bet is 

 

Skybet will pay out if we announce him till the end of the season.

[UniFox21]

16 minutes ago, Blue ROI said:

I'd hold onto Shakespeare for another month should they win against Hull. It's important that should someone else get the nod that Shakey will remain at the club.

 

A bit of nuisance that theres a couple of league breaks coming up. Would have been good to get some momentum going.

 

I could be proven wrong but I think we'll be safe. The reactions of players like Vardy, Ndidi and Kasper for the goals on Monday were telling. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep top flight status.

agree here, if he isn't given the job then we need to hold onto him as he is a top class coach 

Even if the new manager doesn't want him, we have to find a position for him 

[hackneyfox]

32 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

agree here, if he isn't given the job then we need to hold onto him as he is a top class coach 

Even if the new manager doesn't want him, we have to find a position for him 

There's a school of thought that the next manager should bring in his own staff then players in revolt don't have a friendly face to whine to.

[VLC86]

57 minutes ago, norwichfox said:

Or a Fancy Dress outing in Copenhagen.....

Or a bum licking in Thailand.

[Finnaldo]

25 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

There's a school of thought that the next manager should bring in his own staff then players in revolt don't have a friendly face to whine to.

 

That would require a total squad overhaul, the backroom setup was built in harmony with the base squad that's why we're such a force when we play to our strengths ans so turgid when we try something radically different.

 

With that being said, I'm not sure why you'd want to overhaul something that is so successful. It's proven to work, see last season and Monday.

[AjcW]

To be fair, post Hull is the perfect time for a new (or shakey) manager to be appointed.

I assume we will go on a little away weekend or something, team bonding and all that jazz, maybe even play a bit of a Friendly to keep our fitness up.

[Babylon]

18 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

There's a school of thought that the next manager should bring in his own staff then players in revolt don't have a friendly face to whine to.

Was thinking about this today. The next appointment is massive really, has to be someone the current lot can buy into for a while. But someone also strong enough to start the transition away from the Pearson era. I think they were probably correct on this occasion, but having the players essentially picking how we play (do they pick the team as well!!) I'm not entirely comfortable with. Many of them are in their 30's now, so we're going to have to begin transitioning one or two players out each year now anyway. And we've already lost a fair few of the backroom team.

 

The inclusive nature of Pearson behind the scenes seems to be one of the biggest things as this seemed to get everyone pulling in the right direction. A good man manager who treats the players like men is another, the players all seemed to know where they stood with him.

 

The more I thought about it, Dyche seemed like the sort of person who the current lot could respond to, seems a similar sort of manager, plays a similar way, buys a similar sort of player. So he'll fit into what we have, but will have the strength to bring in his own people as well and start the transition.

 

So there you have it... old gravel throat it is.

[UniFox21]

Just now, Babylon said:

Was thinking about this today. The next appointment is massive really, has to be someone the current lot can buy into for a while. But someone also strong enough to start the transition away from the Pearson era. I think they were probably correct on this occasion, but having the players essentially picking how we play (do they pick the team as well!!) I'm not entirely comfortable with. Many of them are in their 30's now, so we're going to have to begin transitioning one or two players out each year now anyway. And we've already lost a fair few of the backroom team.

 

The inclusive nature of Pearson behind the scenes seems to be one of the biggest things as this seemed to get everyone pulling in the right direction. A good man manager who treats the players like men is another, the players all seemed to know where they stood with him.

 

The more I thought about it, Dyche seemed like the sort of person who the current lot could respond to, seems a similar sort of manager, plays a similar way, buys a similar sort of player. So he'll fit into what we have, but will have the strength to bring in his own people as well and start the transition.

 

So there you have it... old gravel throat it is.

In essence we need to do similar to what Southampton do and what swansea did for a while, they brought in managers who had similar footballing philosophies and who the current crop of players fit with  

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

In essence we need to do similar to what Southampton do and what swansea did for a while, they brought in managers who had similar footballing philosophies and who the current crop of players fit with  

I just don't think the owners are thinking like this though, if they were they'd never have gone for Ranieri... we all said the same thing last time and they went for him. There is an obsession with a name and someone press friendly.

[UniFox21]

8 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I just don't think the owners are thinking like this though, if they were they'd never have gone for Ranieri... we all said the same thing last time and they went for him. There is an obsession with a name and someone press friendly.

Its an odd obsession really

Its why I'm hoping they appoint Shakespeare, as he's a bit of all minus the name 

 

[Detroit Blues]

It would appear that our players only play well under the current system. I'm afraid bringing in a manager who will ask them to play any differently than what we saw against Liverpool would end up being a disaster. Our squad is not flexible enough to play any other type of game. If the prevailing narrative is true, and Claudio was trying to force the team to sit deep and counterattack, look at how well that worked out for him? 

 

Hypothetically, even if you could bring in a new manager to finish out the season with Leicester, it's not like he could get this squad playing any type of possession football. We just don't have the moving pieces to play anything other than a 4-4-2 pressing system. So if that is the case, what is the purpose of bringing in another manager to tell the players how to play the football they've already know how to play? A new manager won't know the players, the backroom staff, or the system as well as a man like Shakespeare. 

 

I think we ride it out, and re-assess at the end of the season. Then you can decide if the current system/players can work under Shakespeare in the future, or if we need to bring in a new manager, and rebuild the squad.

 

[shen]

21 minutes ago, Babylon said:

So there you have it... old gravel throat it is.

Or Tony Pulis...

[RowlattsFox]

If we give give it to Shakespeare until the summer and then still end up appointing someone like Hodgson, i will be fuming. Perfect opportunity to do some research and choose a direction they want this club to go in.

 

Put Wasyl on the coaching staff while Shakey is doing the manager stuff  

[Webbo]

We need someone who is open to our way of doing things. The analysts pick the transfer targets, the sports science guys decide on fitness training. The manager should only pick the team and decide on tactics and leave the rest to the specialists.

 

If someone like Eddie Howe would be willing to work like that he'd be a good choice in the summer.

[shen]

3 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

If we give give it to Shakespeare until the summer and then still end up appointing someone like Hodgson, i will be fuming. Perfect opportunity to do some research and choose a direction they want this club to go in.

 

Put Wasyl on the coaching staff while Shakey is doing the manager stuff  

Does Shakey even have the qualifications required to be appointed permanent manager? Genuine question.

[AmarteyAndChill]

12 minutes ago, Webbo said:

We need someone who is open to our way of doing things. The analysts pick the transfer targets, the sports science guys decide on fitness training. The manager should only pick the team and decide on tactics and leave the rest to the specialists.

 

If someone like Eddie Howe would be willing to work like that he'd be a good choice in the summer.

eddie Howe can't even keep clean sheets with Bournemouth, can you imagine how bad our defence would be with him I change.

[AmarteyAndChill]

Shakespear till the end of the season, Wagner in the summer

[Webbo]

Just now, AmarteyAndChill said:

eddie Howe can't even keep clean sheets with Bournemouth, can you imagine how bad our defence would be with him I change.

Bouremouth's stadium holds 11,000. It's a miracle they're in this division.

[Thracian]

12 minutes ago, shen said:

Does Shakey even have the qualifications required to be appointed permanent manager? Genuine question.

I'd imagine he has but also believe he could be given time to get the qualifications given the jobs and experience he's had in football   

[Thracian]

Can some of the doubters explain why Shakespeare shouldn't get the chance to be our manager? And more especially given the doubtful options being bandied about. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Webbo]

Just now, Thracian said:

Can some of the doubters explain why Shakespeare shouldn't get the chance to be our manager? And more especially given the doubtful options being bandied about. 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe you can go from being one of the lads to being boss. I think you lack the authority to do your job properly. It'd probably be okay till the end of the season but not long term. History doesn't have many examples of where the assistant has successfully taken the top job.

[zealot]

38 minutes ago, Detroit Blues said:

It would appear that our players only play well under the current system. I'm afraid bringing in a manager who will ask them to play any differently than what we saw against Liverpool would end up being a disaster. Our squad is not flexible enough to play any other type of game. If the prevailing narrative is true, and Claudio was trying to force the team to sit deep and counterattack, look at how well that worked out for him? 

 

Hypothetically, even if you could bring in a new manager to finish out the season with Leicester, it's not like he could get this squad playing any type of possession football. We just don't have the moving pieces to play anything other than a 4-4-2 pressing system. So if that is the case, what is the purpose of bringing in another manager to tell the players how to play the football they've already know how to play? A new manager won't know the players, the backroom staff, or the system as well as a man like Shakespeare. 

 

I think we ride it out, and re-assess at the end of the season. Then you can decide if the current system/players can work under Shakespeare in the future, or if we need to bring in a new manager, and rebuild the squad.

 

This is absolutely spot on Detroit Blues.

I've banged on about this for a long time but we still don't have a Plan B. And it takes a long time to work through one. We certainly will need different new footballers at the back if we are to ever adopt a possession based style.

If teams fall into the trap of not worrying about our strengths -as both Liverpool and Man City have done this season- then we do fine but the problem comes when we come up against a smarter team that works to frustrate us.

I don't see how appointing a new manager quickly (as long as Shakey continues to do well) achieves anything and suspect the owners know this. They'll let Shakey run with it in the short-term and most likely bring someone in early in the summer. I just hope they give Shakespeare a proper chance and any new person is neither Hodgson nor Pardew. Both of which would be truly godawful appointments...

[Raw Dykes]

50 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I just don't think the owners are thinking like this though, if they were they'd never have gone for Ranieri... we all said the same thing last time and they went for him. There is an obsession with a name and someone press friendly.

Some of the fans seem to think like this, as well. A name and a good press conference seem to matter more than success to some people I can think of.