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Yastafox

Next Manager?

By Yastafox, in Leicester City Forum

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zealot

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I agree it's massively entertaining and definitely effective - most of the time. However, it hasn't always worked especially this season. Can it really be that they've been told to be more defensively minded - and that's why they've lost so much. Surely, it can't be as simple as that?

 

It'll be interesting to see how the next Sevilla game (great possession based passing team) goes. That's the sort of test which'll decide whether we were being 'hampered by Ranieri's sitting-back tactics' as many keep suggesting or whether we'll need to adapt a little more.

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31 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

I suspect it's partly because they seldom get the chance. Most assistants or coaches leave when the manager gets sacked.

Not an Assustant I know, but Guardiola from coaching Barcelona B to the first team was a successful internal promotion. 

Bob Paisley was assistant manager at Liverpool before he got the big job and he was also more successful then his predecessor. 

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Just now, 4everfox said:

Bob Paisley was assistant manager at Liverpool before he got the big job and he was also more successful then his predecessor. 

Yes, Liverpool mastered the internal succession for some time.

Webbo asked for any more recent example

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ALC Fox

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1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I'm sure there are successful examples of an assistant getting the top job full time and matching or exceeding his predecessor but I can't think of any off hand. There has to be a reason for that.

The two that spring to mind are Mourinho exceeding Robson and Löw exceeding Klinsmann, but I know what you mean. To be fair, Mourinho never got the Barca job but he did exceed Robson's achievements at Porto although that was some time after. And Löw had been a manager for a while before being brought in as Klinsmann's assistant with the Germany national team.

 

There are a lot specialist coaches that either never seem to get a crack at management, or, when they do, it's not long before they're struggling and get the boot. Sammy Lee and Chris Hutchings for example.

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35 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

The two that spring to mind are Mourinho exceeding Robson and Löw exceeding Klinsmann, but I know what you mean. To be fair, Mourinho never got the Barca job but he did exceed Robson's achievements at Porto although that was some time after. And Löw had been a manager for a while before being brought in as Klinsmann's assistant with the Germany national team.

 

There are a lot specialist coaches that either never seem to get a crack at management, or, when they do, it's not long before they're struggling and get the boot. Sammy Lee and Chris Hutchings for example.

If you go somewhere else and prove yourself that's a different thing. assistant manager to manager is part of their progress. But to take over where you've been assistant directly before means your relationship with the players changes. You're either taken for granted or you become too tough on the players to prove you're not soft which again causes resentment.

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4 hours ago, Detroit Blues said:

It would appear that our players only play well under the current system. I'm afraid bringing in a manager who will ask them to play any differently than what we saw against Liverpool would end up being a disaster. Our squad is not flexible enough to play any other type of game. If the prevailing narrative is true, and Claudio was trying to force the team to sit deep and counterattack, look at how well that worked out for him? 

 

Hypothetically, even if you could bring in a new manager to finish out the season with Leicester, it's not like he could get this squad playing any type of possession football. We just don't have the moving pieces to play anything other than a 4-4-2 pressing system. So if that is the case, what is the purpose of bringing in another manager to tell the players how to play the football they've already know how to play? A new manager won't know the players, the backroom staff, or the system as well as a man like Shakespeare. 

 

I think we ride it out, and re-assess at the end of the season. Then you can decide if the current system/players can work under Shakespeare in the future, or if we need to bring in a new manager, and rebuild the squad.

 

Couldn't agree more. It's the only logical way forward and the only one without a tripwire even if we get relegated except, that Shaky would lose his chance of managing us.

 

 Every other route has not just got tripwires but commercial IED's and all sorts.

 

The fans will accept going with Shakespeare even if the plan fails because the players are happy and that adds up to our best chance of escape.

 

 If the owners pick anyone else and it goes wrong they'll get flak every which way - plus whoever does the managing and the players as well.

 

 Think about it folks. We've got one good choice in this. There's no guarantees but it's the best we've got and Shakespeare's knowledge of the situation should make him the best man to pick the most effective and committed team.

 

Ironically we could also end up with a half-decent season after all.             

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1 minute ago, ronnup said:

The more I hear him talk and read about him the more I like Wagner. He's perfect for us. 

Exactly this for me too. Just seen his interview on the beeb.

 

He's my dreamboat, gerimmmmmmmin and do it now before another club similar to ours does. 

 

Naturally he'll want to finish the season with Huddersfield so a cheeky pre contract agreement with him starting after the playoff final please ;)

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37 minutes ago, Webbo said:

If you go somewhere else and prove yourself that's a different thing. assistant manager to manager is part of their progress. But to take over where you've been assistant directly before means your relationship with the players changes. You're either taken for granted or you become too tough on the players to prove you're not soft which again causes resentment.

Yeah you're right. There doesn't appear to be many who have been promoted from assistant to the boss who have matched or bettered their predecessor. In that regard I can only think of Löw but I guess international football is different as even the assistant won't be as close to the players because of the little time spent with them.

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