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The danger for the EU is not that we'll have access to the single market , restricted freedom of movement and be happy about it (what's wrong with being happy?). The danger is  we'll be out of the single market and succeed anyway. Then the members would have to ask what the point of the EU is at all.

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1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

The EU is ****ed, it has been ****ed for years, the only question is whether it sees a slow painful decline or everyone bails out in the next few years.

 

Eaten from the inside out by its own ill-considered idealism. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

 

Brexit is a lot more fun isn't it?   And the negative campaign really turned me off.

I know two people who changed their vote based on the same.

 

Maybe the biggest reason for the leave result in the end. They failed to realise we're probably the one nation in Europe you can't bully into doing something.

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20 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

lol, the FTSE is up so coming out the EU was the right decision.:D:D

And yet when it goes down it proves it was the wrong decision.

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1 hour ago, MattP said:

I know two people who changed their vote based on the same.

 

Maybe the biggest reason for the leave result in the end. They failed to realise we're probably the one nation in Europe you can't bully into doing something.

Negativity has won votes before, but it was a mistake by the remain campaign to go down that path. but I don't feel it really swung the vote for brexit.

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On 25. Juli 2016 at 17:21, Webbo said:

The danger for the EU is not that we'll have access to the single market , restricted freedom of movement and be happy about it (what's wrong with being happy?). The danger is  we'll be out of the single market and succeed anyway. Then the members would have to ask what the point of the EU is at all.

Maybe we could go back to the initial idea of the EU as a political union, instead of a union driven or dominated by the idea of a single-state economy.

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14 hours ago, Webbo said:

And yet when it goes down it proves it was the wrong decision.

 

and now we see even members on here claiming that the UK is not being targeted by IS because they are not part of the EU. :rolleyes:

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Pre-Brexit.

 

UK industrial output leaps, but services slow

Britain’s manufacturing sector has a very good quarter, according to today’s GDP report.

UK industrial output jumped by 2.1% during the April-June period, the strongest quarterly growth since the third quarter of 1999.

— Jamie McGeever (@ReutersJamie)July 27, 2016

UK GDP +0.6% in Q2 vs expected +0.4%, driven by strongest industrial production growth since 1999. Annual GDP +2.2% vs expected 2.0%.

However, the service sector slowed to 0.5% growth, down from 0.6% in Q1.

And construction output shrank by 0.4%.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/27/uk-gdp-economy-growth-brexit-referendum-pound-markets-live

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15 hours ago, MattP said:

They failed to realise we're probably the one nation in Europe you can't bully into doing something.

Please stop saying things like that, it makes me nauseous.

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22 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

Please stop saying things like that, it makes me nauseous.

Why? It's certainly part of it, you saw what happened in Ireland with the Lisbon treaty, you've seen what's happened in Greece, these people are still tolerating being told their vote is worthless and ignored, you wouldn't get away with that on the British people thankfully.

 

You can count the French with us as well actually, they wouldn't be bullied into something, with their history of violent revolution I'm surprised they haven't done something fairly extreme yet with regards to it, maybe they will soon.

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10 minutes ago, MattP said:

Why? It's certainly part of it, you saw what happened in Ireland with the Lisbon treaty, you've seen what's happened in Greece, these people are still tolerating being told their vote is worthless and ignored, you wouldn't get away with that on the British people thankfully.

 

You can count the French with us as well actually, they wouldn't be bullied into something, with their history of violent revolution I'm surprised they haven't done something fairly extreme yet with regards to it, maybe they will soon.

Can the 48% of those who voted remain be bullied into doing something? What about the 28% who didn't vote?

We're talking about a minuscule group of people who will have voted Leave on the grounds that the Remain campaign was overly negative (and the Leave campaign was equally negative anyway). It's nonsensical patriotism, with no legitimate evidence to support it, and it's boring.

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4 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

Can the 48% of those who voted remain be bullied into doing something? What about the 28% who didn't vote?

We're talking about a minuscule group of people who will have voted Leave on the grounds that the Remain campaign was overly negative (and the Leave campaign was equally negative anyway). It's nonsensical patriotism, with no legitimate evidence to support it, and it's boring.

There is plenty of evidence to back it up when you look at the way the countries like Ireland and Greece have been treated by the EU. The organisation knows itself it can bully these countries has they have done it and succeeded, the people of Greece should have been torching the place after it removed members of it's democratically elected government. It's not nonsensical patriotism to want to be governed by the people you elect, there is a difference, maybe it's come from our history or our island mentality but we do react in a more recalcitrant way to figures of authority in politics.

 

I have no idea what the motives of the 48% were, although a lot of them were young people who probably don't even remember the shenanigans of the Lisbon Treaty who will probably be "leavers" anyway in 20 years time, just like a lot from the 1975 referendum now are.

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1 hour ago, MattP said:

There is plenty of evidence to back it up when you look at the way the countries like Ireland and Greece have been treated by the EU. The organisation knows itself it can bully these countries has they have done it and succeeded, the people of Greece should have been torching the place after it removed members of it's democratically elected government. It's not nonsensical patriotism to want to be governed by the people you elect, there is a difference, maybe it's come from our history or our island mentality but we do react in a more recalcitrant way to figures of authority in politics.

 

I have no idea what the motives of the 48% were, although a lot of them were young people who probably don't even remember the shenanigans of the Lisbon Treaty who will probably be "leavers" anyway in 20 years time, just like a lot from the 1975 referendum now are.

Fair to assume that a lot of the young remainers were convinced we would lose any working / travel rights in Europe.  This is by no means certain or even likely in my view.

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19 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36901027

 

GSK to invest £275M in British Manufacturing.  Despite backing Remain they see sense and continue as they were.

They backed remain due to the threat to British research posed by brexit - with the probability that British researchers would move out to the EU to preserve their collaboration networks and funding. The murmurs of a Norway type deal that seems to be the preferred option would help soften that blow since we could still be receiving  funding from the commission for research like Switzerland do; but GSK is more taking advantage of the falling pound for exports - not seeing sense, brexit was still a ridiculous decision, but making the best of a bad situation.

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