Webbo Posted 25 July 2016 Share Posted 25 July 2016 The danger for the EU is not that we'll have access to the single market , restricted freedom of movement and be happy about it (what's wrong with being happy?). The danger is we'll be out of the single market and succeed anyway. Then the members would have to ask what the point of the EU is at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 July 2016 Share Posted 25 July 2016 The EU is ****ed, it has been ****ed for years, the only question is whether it sees a slow painful decline or everyone bails out in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 25 July 2016 Share Posted 25 July 2016 I have to say John, 6 months ago I would have had you down as a remainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 25 July 2016 Share Posted 25 July 2016 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: The EU is ****ed, it has been ****ed for years, the only question is whether it sees a slow painful decline or everyone bails out in the next few years. Eaten from the inside out by its own ill-considered idealism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 23 hours ago, Webbo said: I have to say John, 6 months ago I would have had you down as a remainer. Brexit is a lot more fun isn't it? And the negative campaign really turned me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=FTSE+250&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=4I6XV4y0G_PS8AfU9IHICg FTSE 250 slightly above June 22nd close. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=FTSE+250&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=4I6XV4y0G_PS8AfU9IHICg#q=FTSE+100 FTSE 100 386 points higher than June 22nd Close. DISASTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 15 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=FTSE+250&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=4I6XV4y0G_PS8AfU9IHICg FTSE 250 slightly above June 22nd close. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=FTSE+250&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=4I6XV4y0G_PS8AfU9IHICg#q=FTSE+100 FTSE 100 386 points higher than June 22nd Close. DISASTER! you haven't left yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 lol, the FTSE is up so coming out the EU was the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 31 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Brexit is a lot more fun isn't it? And the negative campaign really turned me off. I know two people who changed their vote based on the same. Maybe the biggest reason for the leave result in the end. They failed to realise we're probably the one nation in Europe you can't bully into doing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 20 minutes ago, purpleronnie said: lol, the FTSE is up so coming out the EU was the right decision. And yet when it goes down it proves it was the wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 1 hour ago, Webbo said: And yet when it goes down it proves it was the wrong decision. By idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 1 hour ago, MattP said: I know two people who changed their vote based on the same. Maybe the biggest reason for the leave result in the end. They failed to realise we're probably the one nation in Europe you can't bully into doing something. Negativity has won votes before, but it was a mistake by the remain campaign to go down that path. but I don't feel it really swung the vote for brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 On 25. Juli 2016 at 17:21, Webbo said: The danger for the EU is not that we'll have access to the single market , restricted freedom of movement and be happy about it (what's wrong with being happy?). The danger is we'll be out of the single market and succeed anyway. Then the members would have to ask what the point of the EU is at all. Maybe we could go back to the initial idea of the EU as a political union, instead of a union driven or dominated by the idea of a single-state economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 26 July 2016 Share Posted 26 July 2016 5 hours ago, FIF said: you haven't left yet. The market knows we will and is unconcerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 14 hours ago, Webbo said: And yet when it goes down it proves it was the wrong decision. and now we see even members on here claiming that the UK is not being targeted by IS because they are not part of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 Pre-Brexit. UK industrial output leaps, but services slow Britain’s manufacturing sector has a very good quarter, according to today’s GDP report. UK industrial output jumped by 2.1% during the April-June period, the strongest quarterly growth since the third quarter of 1999. — Jamie McGeever (@ReutersJamie)July 27, 2016 UK GDP +0.6% in Q2 vs expected +0.4%, driven by strongest industrial production growth since 1999. Annual GDP +2.2% vs expected 2.0%. However, the service sector slowed to 0.5% growth, down from 0.6% in Q1. And construction output shrank by 0.4%. https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/27/uk-gdp-economy-growth-brexit-referendum-pound-markets-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 15 hours ago, MattP said: They failed to realise we're probably the one nation in Europe you can't bully into doing something. Please stop saying things like that, it makes me nauseous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 22 minutes ago, Mark_w said: Please stop saying things like that, it makes me nauseous. Why? It's certainly part of it, you saw what happened in Ireland with the Lisbon treaty, you've seen what's happened in Greece, these people are still tolerating being told their vote is worthless and ignored, you wouldn't get away with that on the British people thankfully. You can count the French with us as well actually, they wouldn't be bullied into something, with their history of violent revolution I'm surprised they haven't done something fairly extreme yet with regards to it, maybe they will soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 16 hours ago, FIF said: you haven't left yet. Are you just as negative at home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 FIF negative? Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 10 minutes ago, MattP said: Why? It's certainly part of it, you saw what happened in Ireland with the Lisbon treaty, you've seen what's happened in Greece, these people are still tolerating being told their vote is worthless and ignored, you wouldn't get away with that on the British people thankfully. You can count the French with us as well actually, they wouldn't be bullied into something, with their history of violent revolution I'm surprised they haven't done something fairly extreme yet with regards to it, maybe they will soon. Can the 48% of those who voted remain be bullied into doing something? What about the 28% who didn't vote? We're talking about a minuscule group of people who will have voted Leave on the grounds that the Remain campaign was overly negative (and the Leave campaign was equally negative anyway). It's nonsensical patriotism, with no legitimate evidence to support it, and it's boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 4 minutes ago, Mark_w said: Can the 48% of those who voted remain be bullied into doing something? What about the 28% who didn't vote? We're talking about a minuscule group of people who will have voted Leave on the grounds that the Remain campaign was overly negative (and the Leave campaign was equally negative anyway). It's nonsensical patriotism, with no legitimate evidence to support it, and it's boring. There is plenty of evidence to back it up when you look at the way the countries like Ireland and Greece have been treated by the EU. The organisation knows itself it can bully these countries has they have done it and succeeded, the people of Greece should have been torching the place after it removed members of it's democratically elected government. It's not nonsensical patriotism to want to be governed by the people you elect, there is a difference, maybe it's come from our history or our island mentality but we do react in a more recalcitrant way to figures of authority in politics. I have no idea what the motives of the 48% were, although a lot of them were young people who probably don't even remember the shenanigans of the Lisbon Treaty who will probably be "leavers" anyway in 20 years time, just like a lot from the 1975 referendum now are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36901027 GSK to invest £275M in British Manufacturing. Despite backing Remain they see sense and continue as they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 1 hour ago, MattP said: There is plenty of evidence to back it up when you look at the way the countries like Ireland and Greece have been treated by the EU. The organisation knows itself it can bully these countries has they have done it and succeeded, the people of Greece should have been torching the place after it removed members of it's democratically elected government. It's not nonsensical patriotism to want to be governed by the people you elect, there is a difference, maybe it's come from our history or our island mentality but we do react in a more recalcitrant way to figures of authority in politics. I have no idea what the motives of the 48% were, although a lot of them were young people who probably don't even remember the shenanigans of the Lisbon Treaty who will probably be "leavers" anyway in 20 years time, just like a lot from the 1975 referendum now are. Fair to assume that a lot of the young remainers were convinced we would lose any working / travel rights in Europe. This is by no means certain or even likely in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 27 July 2016 Share Posted 27 July 2016 19 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36901027 GSK to invest £275M in British Manufacturing. Despite backing Remain they see sense and continue as they were. They backed remain due to the threat to British research posed by brexit - with the probability that British researchers would move out to the EU to preserve their collaboration networks and funding. The murmurs of a Norway type deal that seems to be the preferred option would help soften that blow since we could still be receiving funding from the commission for research like Switzerland do; but GSK is more taking advantage of the falling pound for exports - not seeing sense, brexit was still a ridiculous decision, but making the best of a bad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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