Strokes Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 6 minutes ago, Buce said: Oh, I dunno. I reckon I could hazard a pretty good guess what you and Webbo voted. You can guess but you can't know, I could be a massive troll like moose or.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: You can guess but you can't know, I could be a massive troll like moose or.......... Oooooh, a man of mystery.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 8 hours ago, Strokes said: It seems the only people claiming we didn't know what we were voting for, are remainers. I have heard not one leaver, claim to be disgruntled or bewildered. Not on here or out in the wider world, it's a myth, peddled by desperate, scheming remainers. Sorry but this is a pile of donkey droppings. With the scaremongering and misinformation being peddled from both sides it's no surprise that many floating voters were really struggling to make an informed decision. There so many people interviewed before the vote complaining that they needed more information and more clarity. What still sticks in my mind was a woman being asked on local news why she voted to leave and she replied it was for the extra 350m a week that would be going to NHS, this was a day after Farage admitted he made it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 3 hours ago, ithuriel said: So an exit from the European Union should never have been put to the British people to vote upon, The Doctor showing his true colours maybe It shouldn't - the eu and our involvement in it is far too complex for anyone to reasonably understand the implications of each option - remainers and leavers alike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 3 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said: Sorry but this is a pile of donkey droppings. With the scaremongering and misinformation being peddled from both sides it's no surprise that many floating voters were really struggling to make an informed decision. There so many people interviewed before the vote complaining that they needed more information and more clarity. What still sticks in my mind was a woman being asked on local news why she voted to leave and she replied it was for the extra 350m a week that would be going to NHS, this was a day after Farage admitted he made it up. Talking of steaming pile of donkey droppings, farage never said it in the first place. So I'm not sure how he admitted he made it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 18 minutes ago, Strokes said: Talking of steaming pile of donkey droppings, farage never said it in the first place. So I'm not sure how he admitted he made it up. He admitted it was made up and was part of the leave campaign that had buses driving around covered with that particular piece of misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 Just now, Spiritwalker said: He admitted it was made up and was part of the leave campaign that had buses driving around covered with that particular piece of misinformation. He wasn't part of the official leave campaign, clearly you are another confused remainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammie82uk Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 2 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said: He admitted it was made up and was part of the leave campaign that had buses driving around covered with that particular piece of misinformation. How would he know Farage wasn't a member of the leave campaign plus Wasn't that a suggestion to what to do with the money and not a promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: He wasn't part of the official leave campaign, clearly you are another confused remainer. But he did admit, once it had been used to help him get what he wanted, that it should never have been said and was mistake by the leave campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 13 minutes ago, Facecloth said: But he did admit, once it had been used to help him get what he wanted, that it should never have been said and was mistake by the leave campaign. Was he asked before? It wasn't his claim to rebuke, and trying to associate him in the way that's being claimed, can only be out of mischief or confusion. Both familiar to this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 Just now, Strokes said: Was he asked before? It wasn't his claim to rebuke, and trying to associate him in the way that's being claimed, can only be out of mischief or confusion. Both familiar to this debate. He was asked, on the day after the referendum and even though it wasn't his lie, he admitted it was a lie. The other posters point is the day after he admitted that a woman said that lie was the reason she voted leave. Whether Farage made up that lie isn't relevant, it's just happen he was the one to confirm it shouldn't have been used, and one day later people were still buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 9 minutes ago, Facecloth said: He was asked, on the day after the referendum and even though it wasn't his lie, he admitted it was a lie. The other posters point is the day after he admitted that a woman said that lie was the reason she voted leave. Whether Farage made up that lie isn't relevant, it's just happen he was the one to confirm it shouldn't have been used, and one day later people were still buying it. I'm not sure how farage saying it was a lie confirms anything, he wasn't part of the campaign, he isn't part of the government or parliament and it wasn't his claim in the first place. He has about as much credibility on the subject as the man on the street and was nothing more than a spokesperson for a different campaign. Vote leave and leave.eu we're separate. How can his word on the subject be taken over anybody else's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 The bus didnt say, 'we promise the £350m a week will go to the NHS gauranteed!' Anyone who thought that's what the bus said is, i'm afraid a bloody idiot. Equally anyone who refers to the message on the bus as a lie or a broken promise is equally so. Anything put forward by either the remain or brexit campaigns were nothing more than possibilities. I'm amazed that people didn't realise this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 43 minutes ago, Strokes said: He wasn't part of the official leave campaign, clearly you are another confused remainer. Maybe you are confused, you seem to have added the word 'official' to my quote. Are you suggesting that Farage did not campaign to leave the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 4 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: The bus didnt say, 'we promise the £350m a week will go to the NHS gauranteed!' Anyone who thought that's what the bus said is, i'm afraid a bloody idiot. Equally anyone who refers to the message on the bus as a lie or a broken promise is equally so. Anything put forward by either the remain or brexit campaigns were nothing more than possibilities. I'm amazed that people didn't realise this. I think the example I referred to clearly shows many idiots and ill informed people did vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 51 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said: He admitted it was made up and was part of the leave campaign that had buses driving around covered with that particular piece of misinformation. 1 minute ago, Spiritwalker said: Maybe you are confused, you seem to have added the word 'official' to my quote. Are you suggesting that Farage did not campaign to leave the EU? No I'm not confused, you see he wasn't part of the campaign that had 'buses driving around covered with that particular piece of misinformation '. That was the official leave campaign, the one he wasn't part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Carl the Llama Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 7 hours ago, Webbo said: I think you'll find that the govt was elected. They're not making decisions for us, we already made the decision on June the 23rd. That's not entirely true though, is it? I don't recall a snap election after Cameron stepped down. If you approve of MPs elected by us deciding, without your vote but based on their own interpretation of what's best for the people who gave them their backing, who should be in charge of making executive and legislative decisions on our behalf then I must have had you wrong this whole time because I could have sworn you were against an EU-style system of governance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 5 November 2016 Share Posted 5 November 2016 Note that it says "access to" and not "membership of". That's nothing that Boris, Gove or any other prominent leaver didn't promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 6 November 2016 Share Posted 6 November 2016 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Note that it says "access to" and not "membership of". That's nothing that Boris, Gove or any other prominent leaver promised. It's not theirs to promise.buy a all down to negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 6 November 2016 Share Posted 6 November 2016 Yep, that's nonsense by Corbyn. "Access to the single market" is the same nonsense phrase that the Leave people used during the campaign. Almost every country in the world has "access to the single market". China has such "access". What matters is the terms of that access. Even under "Hard Brexit", the EU wouldn't suddenly refuse access to all British goods, services, capital or people - but they probably would impose regulations, tariffs and other complications, making it less economically viable. As Webbo says, the Govt can't "guarantee" anything as it's a two-way negotiation process. I suppose the most they could do is "guarantee to negotiate for membership of the Single Market" or "to negotiate for free/easy access". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 6 November 2016 Share Posted 6 November 2016 10 hours ago, Webbo said: Who said that the vote to leave made her physically sick, so I don't think she did. Her lawyer said so after the ruling. He further added that the case was brought as they didnt want a handful of people rushing this through as it was too important. It had nothing to do with trying to stop Brexit, quite the opposite. It was just about making sure it was done properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 6 November 2016 Share Posted 6 November 2016 8 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: The bus didnt say, 'we promise the £350m a week will go to the NHS gauranteed!' Anyone who thought that's what the bus said is, i'm afraid a bloody idiot. Equally anyone who refers to the message on the bus as a lie or a broken promise is equally so. Anything put forward by either the remain or brexit campaigns were nothing more than possibilities. I'm amazed that people didn't realise this. Come on though, even though it didnt explicitly say 'we'll give £350m to the NHS guaranteed when we leave the EU' it clearly insinuates this to people who didnt know any better. The Vote Leave campaign were very clever in their wording of the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 6 November 2016 Share Posted 6 November 2016 Is mattp farage ? Riots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 6 November 2016 Share Posted 6 November 2016 2 hours ago, GaelicFox said: Is mattp farage ? Riots More Enoch Powell, there will be rivers of blood!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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