Guest MattP Posted 12 November 2016 Share Posted 12 November 2016 6 minutes ago, Barky said: The point remains as it always does when talking with that particular type of middle to older aged conservative who harks back to the good old days when Britain was great - relative to today those days were shit for everyone except the elite few who inherited wealth or management positions. Everyone else had to work themselves to the bone in dangerous conditions for not much money. It's not something I personally want to see a return to. I wouldn't worry too much, any government who does take us back to the days of workhouses, slavery etc etc will only be in for one term at the most, then after that will never see office again. That's also the reason why it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barky Posted 12 November 2016 Share Posted 12 November 2016 8 minutes ago, MattP said: I wouldn't worry too much, any government who does take us back to the days of workhouses, slavery etc etc will only be in for one term at the most, then after that will never see office again. That's also the reason why it won't happen. The tories oversaw the worst wage growth in the developed world from 2010-2015 and still got back in. It's not as extreme as a return to slavery but it's still regressive and for me, unwelcome. The appetite among the electorate for politics that rational analysis would confirm won't work for them is a bit weird. And maybe one day someone like trump will actually do the things he campaigned on. Imagine he came out on Monday and said you know that wall on the Mexican border, it's happening, work starts today. I'd imagine there would be uproar, but who could complain, the Americans actually voted for the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 12 November 2016 Share Posted 12 November 2016 1 minute ago, Barky said: The tories oversaw the worst wage growth in the developed world from 2010-2015 and still got back in. It's not as extreme as a return to slavery but it's still regressive and for me, unwelcome. The appetite among the electorate for politics that rational analysis would confirm won't work for them is a bit weird. And maybe one day someone like trump will actually do the things he campaigned on. Imagine he came out on Monday and said you know that wall on the Mexican border, it's happening, work starts today. I'd imagine there would be uproar, but who could complain, the Americans actually voted for the idea. But the Tories were in a system where that had to open the borders to anyone who wanted to come here from a continent going through serious hardship, on top of that we had just come out of the banking crisis, if you think that's a recipe for huge wage rises then you are probably expecting too much, better off judging wage growth after Brexit, put it this way, was the option of an SNP-Labour coalition a better option than the Tories in May last year? Of course it wasn't. (Although thinking about it given the left were predicting triple dip recessions, mass unemployment, riots etc after the 2010 election I suppose only having slow wage growth to have a go at is a considerable success) Also, the wall has already started, it's stretches along vast parts of Arizona, just no one bothered to mention that because it happened under Bush and Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barky Posted 12 November 2016 Share Posted 12 November 2016 1 hour ago, MattP said: But the Tories were in a system where that had to open the borders to anyone who wanted to come here from a continent going through serious hardship, on top of that we had just come out of the banking crisis, if you think that's a recipe for huge wage rises then you are probably expecting too much, better off judging wage growth after Brexit, put it this way, was the option of an SNP-Labour coalition a better option than the Tories in May last year? Of course it wasn't. (Although thinking about it given the left were predicting triple dip recessions, mass unemployment, riots etc after the 2010 election I suppose only having slow wage growth to have a go at is a considerable success) Also, the wall has already started, it's stretches along vast parts of Arizona, just no one bothered to mention that because it happened under Bush and Obama. Every major country in Europe faced the same challenges and all of them managed better wage growth than we did. It'll be interesting to see how brexit changes things, in the short term I think we'll struggle due to inflation caused by the fall in the pound, but long term who knows. I'm quite optimistic as long as we don't fall into the trap of thinking what's good for business and GDP is good for wage growth - history shows us that's not always the case. I'm not against brexit at all but right now the nation is divided and consequently as an electorate we've lost a lot of our power. I'd like to see us unite behind issues and policies that might actually benefit us instead of being preoccupied with arguing about obscurities. The more we allow politicians to move to the extremes of left and right the more divided we become, the more divided we are the weaker we are. Politicians want this, ordinary people shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 13 November 2016 Share Posted 13 November 2016 Britain if they suck The Donald up will get Tariff-less free and open trade with America Talk is Trump is going to make Nigel his ambassador to the EU ... don't scoff it's being discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 13 November 2016 Share Posted 13 November 2016 Marie LePen is pushing for Frexit !!! She is pro putin , and states clearly that historically Russia is friendly with most European countries And the US is creating a Cold War with them Her interview with that cock Andrew Marr is facinating ,the world is changing and changing fast ! His questions on destabilising efforts by Russia is exactly what a NeoCon media whore would ask ,,,, Andrew Marr is a cretin and marie LePen slashed him in that interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy boxing Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 farage has tried so many times to go away and let someone else take centre stage but just cannot help himself especially when no one else has the personality that he has. he couldn't wait to go over and congratulate trump. weather it will make much of a difference to how Trump will treat Britain i very much doubt it but we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 2 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: farage has tried so many times to go away and let someone else take centre stage but just cannot help himself especially when no one else has the personality that he has. he couldn't wait to go over and congratulate trump. weather it will make much of a difference to how Trump will treat Britain i very much doubt it but we will see. Makes me wonder who's paying for it all, UKIP, Euro MP expenses, himself, the yanks, unidentified benefactor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 On 13/11/2016 at 09:49, GaelicFox said: The artists at Madame Tussard's have done well with making Trump physically looking like Schwarzenegger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 26 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: farage has tried so many times to go away He's not trying very hard. He could easily have called Trump if he wanted to congratulate him, but there's not enough cameras/column inches involved in that for his liking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 57 minutes ago, davieG said: Makes me wonder who's paying for it all, UKIP, Euro MP expenses, himself, the yanks, unidentified benefactor? Uncle Vlad?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 1 hour ago, davieG said: Makes me wonder who's paying for it all, UKIP, Euro MP expenses, himself, the yanks, unidentified benefactor? I think we can definitely rule this one out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 1 minute ago, lgfualol said: I think we can definitely rule this one out Unless he's getting paid a wad of cash for appearances/seminars etc so pays his own travelling costs which would be tax deductible a business expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzinderFox Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 4 minutes ago, davieG said: Unless he's getting paid a wad of cash for appearances/seminars etc so pays his own travelling costs which would be tax deductible a business expense. Why the heck wouldn't UKIP pay for this? A few thousand for the opportunity to be the first politicians to meet with the next leader of the free world?! Massive kudos, well worth the money for the publicity for the party alone, never mind future influence! Surely any party would do the same if it suited them?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 21 minutes ago, GazzinderFox said: Why the heck wouldn't UKIP pay for this? A few thousand for the opportunity to be the first politicians to meet with the next leader of the free world?! Massive kudos, well worth the money for the publicity for the party alone, never mind future influence! Surely any party would do the same if it suited them?! Exactly, even if Donald didn't fund it I'm pretty sure Nigel would himself. Farage is going to be a very wealthy man shortly, he was being offered 4million for his memoirs after Brexit, god knows what that price has gone too now he's the first Foreign politician to have the ear of Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 22 minutes ago, GazzinderFox said: Why the heck wouldn't UKIP pay for this? A few thousand for the opportunity to be the first politicians to meet with the next leader of the free world?! Massive kudos, well worth the money for the publicity for the party alone, never mind future influence! Surely any party would do the same if it suited them?! Who said they wouldn't ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzinderFox Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 Just now, davieG said: Who said they wouldn't ? Sorry, I thought you were insinuating that something underhand was going on. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 22 minutes ago, GazzinderFox said: Sorry, I thought you were insinuating that something underhand was going on. My mistake. Ah understand, I was just interested in who was benefiting from his travels and would pay for it. I not as bothered as many about the huge some politicians and ex politicians get paid as long as those that are paying have no direct or indirect impact on me. For instance I wouldn't want to give my custom to them in the same way I try to avoid companies that pay huge sums to celebrities to advertise their goods, good luck to them but it has a negative affect on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzinderFox Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 4 minutes ago, davieG said: Ah understand, I was just interested in who was benefiting from his travels and would pay for it. I not as bothered as many about the huge some politicians and ex politicians get paid as long as those that are paying have no direct or indirect impact on me. For instance I wouldn't want to give my custom to them in the same way I try to avoid companies that pay huge sums to celebrities to advertise their goods, good luck to them but it has a negative affect on me. I hear you, but I don't think that's the case here. I imagine that the sums paid for this would be considerably less than say an advert that they would stick on the TV around election time. And this would also have a far greater effect than that, of convincing a skeptical public that UKIP ought to be taken seriously. It's undoubtedly a massive coup for them, the sort that money can't buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 Marie LePen's party in france and UKIP borrowed form a Russian bank neither could get significant election credit in the U.K. Or France its a sad day that Russia has to step in and make sure politics is equally funded for all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 14 November 2016 Share Posted 14 November 2016 On 13/11/2016 at 09:54, GaelicFox said: Marie LePen is pushing for Frexit !!! She is pro putin , and states clearly that historically Russia is friendly with most European countries And the US is creating a Cold War with them Her interview with that cock Andrew Marr is facinating ,the world is changing and changing fast ! His questions on destabilising efforts by Russia is exactly what a NeoCon media whore would ask ,,,, Andrew Marr is a cretin and marie LePen slashed him in that interview I hope the French, like ourselves, do pull out of Europe. Along with Holland. I understand that both countries are considering a Referendum on the issue. The last thing the world needs is a "Federal Europe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 15 November 2016 Share Posted 15 November 2016 Early days, and I'm sure the negotiations won't get serious until after the German elections, but this doesn't sound promising: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948 "The government has no overall Brexit plan and a negotiating strategy may not be agreed by the cabinet for six months, a leaked memo has suggested. The memo - obtained by the Times and seen by the BBC - warns Whitehall is working on 500 Brexit-related projects and could need 30,000 extra staff. However, there is still no common exit strategy "because of divisions within the cabinet", the leaked document adds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barky Posted 15 November 2016 Share Posted 15 November 2016 Sounds like they're making a right mess of it. What a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 15 November 2016 Share Posted 15 November 2016 Absolute joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livid Posted 15 November 2016 Share Posted 15 November 2016 8 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Absolute joke. If only it wasn't so serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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