Alf Bentley Posted 27 January 2017 Share Posted 27 January 2017 9 minutes ago, MattP said: @Alf Bentley - 44 minutes in today there is a discussion on whether article is revokable with two lawyers on the Daily Politics. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08c00wl P.S Have a look at Peter Hitchins during it, I'm sure he's trying not to laugh at the ridiculous accents the two courtroom bogeymen are speaking in. Thanks for that. It still didn't clarify whether or not Article 50 is irrevocable. The wording of the article doesn't say one way or the other. However, if the bloke with the funny voice is right about the European Court not accepting hypothetical cases, that is important. It presumably means that a legal case could only be brought IF there was a serious likelihood of the UK Govt wanting to revoke Article 50 (i.e. if there was a major change in public mood). So the case could probably only be examined much later in the 2-year negotiating period. It could be a real cliffhanger. That bloke with the strange voice seemed like a Harry Enfield impersonation! What with him and Rachel Shabi's strange staring eyes, it's not often that the old fogey Hitchens is one of the most normal blokes in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji Posted 27 January 2017 Share Posted 27 January 2017 I think someone is still bringing a claim in the Irish courts about whether or not Article 50 is irrevocable. Simple answer is no one knows, and no one will know for sure unless we suddenly decide to revoke it and someone takes that decision to court. From memory even the guy who drafted Article 50 didn't really know but thought it was revocable and he understood that to be an obvious intention (God knows why he didn't just say so in the drafting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 27 January 2017 Share Posted 27 January 2017 26 minutes ago, Benji said: I think someone is still bringing a claim in the Irish courts about whether or not Article 50 is irrevocable. Simple answer is no one knows, and no one will know for sure unless we suddenly decide to revoke it and someone takes that decision to court. From memory even the guy who drafted Article 50 didn't really know but thought it was revocable and he understood that to be an obvious intention (God knows why he didn't just say so in the drafting). Yep. That's the gist of the discussion in Matt's link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji Posted 27 January 2017 Share Posted 27 January 2017 17 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Yep. That's the gist of the discussion in Matt's link. Ah - it's easier to pretend your working just typing on Foxestalk than it is to watch a BBC video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 27 January 2017 Share Posted 27 January 2017 More Labour resignations to come according to Twitter journos. Remember when it was Europe tearing the Tories apart? Now they are 327-1 in favour of enacting British withdrawal from European Union and the one is stepping down next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 27 January 2017 Share Posted 27 January 2017 It sounds as if the French Presidential election is getting less predictable, as Fillon (mainstream right candidate & favourite) is involved in a scandal: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38765426 " Francois Fillon has hit back at claims that his British wife Penelope was paid large amounts of public money for doing a fake job as his parliamentary assistant. Le Monde recalls that successive presidential elections in the past have been rocked by "boules puantes" (stink bombs) - allegations of corruption stored up by political enemies and then released at the most damaging moment. The paper says it is "anything but evident" that Mrs Fillon did the work that earned her the large salary. In its original report, Le Canard Enchaine quoted another of Mr Fillon's assistants as saying: "I never worked with her. For me she was the minister's wife." There is also the fact that in his economic message he is urging the French to tighten belts and prepare for tough times. In the nation's current mood, there is little tolerance for politicians who come across as hypocrites." Not sure who stands to benefit from this if it damages him. Presumably either Le Pen or Macron (centrist), not the Socialists - unless the scandal is big enough to force the Right to replace Fillon as candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barky Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 Ya bugger, leicsmac won't be happy with this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38768483 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 6 minutes ago, Barky said: Ya bugger, leicsmac won't be happy with this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38768483 Pretty ironic considering the Scots are the bunch trying to take away parliament time so Nicola can feel big and mighty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 6 hours ago, Barky said: Ya bugger, leicsmac won't be happy with this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38768483 *sigh* Can't say that I'm overly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38779669 How do the Brexit lot feel about this then? Good job we voted out of the EU to avoid being forced into closer ties with the authoritarian regime in Turkey by the Brussels technocrats. Who do we need to get angry at about this new development or are we alright with Turkey now that it's our decision to ally ourselves closer with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 4 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38779669 How do the Brexit lot feel about this then? Good job we voted out of the EU to avoid being forced into closer ties with the authoritarian regime in Turkey by the Brussels technocrats. Who do we need to get angry at about this new development or are we alright with Turkey now that it's our decision to ally ourselves closer with them? It's only trade, dear boy. No movement. Becoming the 'number one defence partner' of one of the most repressive regimes in Eurasia is ok as long as they don't even think about moving next door to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 10 minutes ago, bovril said: It's only trade, dear boy. No movement. Becoming the 'number one defence partner' of one of the most repressive regimes in Eurasia is ok as long as they don't even think about moving next door to me. You looked at my drafted post didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: You looked at my drafted post didn't you? Ooh how do you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 28 January 2017 Share Posted 28 January 2017 1 minute ago, bovril said: Ooh how do you do that? I dunno, ask webbo.....I'm sure he is stealing all my ideas and then forcing me to rep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 29 January 2017 Share Posted 29 January 2017 I'd missed the news that the German SPD (main centre-left party) has just changed its leader & candidate to take on Merkel later this year. A few months back, my German mate was hoping Schulz (the new leader) would take over: http://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2066328/can-man-people-martin-schulz-oust-angela-merkel-german-chancellor This could have a big impact on the political context for the Brexit negotiations, if the SPD now become serious competitors for Merkel again - or even if they mop up some of the anti-Merkel votes that might have gone to the nationalist/populist AfD. "Schulz replaces Sigmar Gabriel, both as party leader and its main chancellorship contender, after Gabriel said earlier this week that he would stand down in the face of Schulz’s popularity. His main selling point is that he offers an alternative to Merkel, who is still popular but looks increasingly stale and has come under attack for her refugee policy. Polls published last week, which asked Germans who they would choose if they could vote directly for a chancellor, put Schulz and Merkel neck and neck at 41 per cent. [...] Although his chances of ousting Merkel in September are slim, Schulz’s challenge has been widely interpreted as a step towards undoing voter disenchantment and limiting the number of protest votes going to the rightwing populist party Alternative für Deutschland". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 31 January 2017 Share Posted 31 January 2017 The Article 50 bill debate starts in 10 minutes, expected to last long into the night and into tomorrow afternoon. I'm absolutely delighted to see parliament packed to the rafters to debate what our future relationship with the EU should be, I watched a debate last year where Cameron was supposed to be being held to account for his renegotiation and aside from 80 Tory Eurosceptics on the backbenches the place was virtually empty. It's a great shame it took a leave vote to get them all interested in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammie82uk Posted 31 January 2017 Share Posted 31 January 2017 Always the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 31 January 2017 Share Posted 31 January 2017 In the interest of balance, those pictures at the bottom are now them debating those things. MP's pay was outsourced to an independent body for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkon84 Posted 31 January 2017 Share Posted 31 January 2017 *Sigh* THAT picture again? http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/11/the-menace-of-memes-how-pictures-can-paint-a-thousand-lies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 31 January 2017 Share Posted 31 January 2017 Enjoyed Ken Clarke's 8 minute position outline on the video earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 31 January 2017 Share Posted 31 January 2017 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: Enjoyed Ken Clarke's 8 minute position outline on the video earlier. It was bizarre to see the SNP applauding a Tory in the commons, I dare say a sight we'll never see again.I don't really have a problem with his position, he has been completely consistent all the way through and he voted not to turn the decision on this over the the public, on that I think he is entitled to vote against this. His conscience will be clear he claimed, he may well be right as none of us know for sure, but one thing we do know, it certainly wouldn't have been clear now had he got his way and Britain joined the Euro, as millions of his people would have suffered. It does strike me as arrogant to think you are certain to be right on something you have previously been proven wrong on, but I suppose you need that to last in politics as long as he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 1 February 2017 Share Posted 1 February 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38816692 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 1 February 2017 Share Posted 1 February 2017 4 hours ago, Strokes said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38816692 I'm surprised he didn't ask for him to be killed with a laser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 1 February 2017 Share Posted 1 February 2017 1 minute ago, Bellend Sebastian said: I'm surprised he didn't ask for him to be killed with a laser It's not Tony Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 1 February 2017 Share Posted 1 February 2017 4 hours ago, Strokes said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38816692 We should be so lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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