Foxxed Posted 18 February 2017 Share Posted 18 February 2017 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: A Spectator link stuff which Foxestalk has brutally removed. Maybe the Met chefs and the Home Office are better sources than politically slanted magazines aimed to sooth and stroke your political leanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 18 February 2017 Share Posted 18 February 2017 5 minutes ago, Foxxed said: Maybe the Met chefs and the Home Office are better sources than politically slanted magazines aimed to sooth and stroke your political leanings. It's pretty obvious they are cooking the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 18 February 2017 Share Posted 18 February 2017 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: It's pretty obvious they are cooking the books. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 18 February 2017 Share Posted 18 February 2017 Oh, and as to your last question, @Webbo, I am not Fif. Does Fif doubt the Home Office's reporting and the Metropolitan police? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 19 February 2017 Share Posted 19 February 2017 Hey @Foxxed, did you actually read that spectator piece or just dismiss it because of the source? Most of what is said in it is backed up in the the governments on website on its policy. The hate motivation doesn't have to be proved for it to be reported as hate motivated, just perceived by anyone to be hate motivated. Hate crime involves any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a personal characteristic. Hate crime can be motivated by disability, gender identity, race, religion or faith and sexual orientation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 19 February 2017 Share Posted 19 February 2017 16 hours ago, Foxxed said: Oh, and as to your last question, @Webbo, I am not Fif. Does Fif doubt the Home Office's reporting and the Metropolitan police? You're definitely somebody trying to hide their identity I know that. It's strange that Barky was banned a couple of weeks ago and all of a sudden you reappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 20 February 2017 Share Posted 20 February 2017 19 hours ago, Webbo said: You're definitely somebody trying to hide their identity I know that. It's strange that Barky was banned a couple of weeks ago and all of a sudden you reappear. Wait, what was Barky banned for? Off topic I know but I have no idea if I can send a private message or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 2 March 2017 Share Posted 2 March 2017 After Brexit: Jean-Claude Juncker sets five paths for EU's future 1 March 2017 From the sectionEurope Related Topics Brexit Share Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionEuropean Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker presenting his paper in Brussels European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has revealed his five future "pathways" for the European Union after Brexit. His white paper looks at various options, from becoming no more than a single market to forging even closer political, social and economic ties. The 27 leaders of EU countries will discuss the plans, without Britain, at a summit in Rome later this month. The meeting will mark the EU's 60th anniversary. Germany's foreign minister, Sigmar Gabriel, has already responded to dismiss the idea of the EU purely being a single market. Path one: 'Carrying on' The remaining 27 members stick on the current course, continuing to focus on reforms, jobs, growth and investment. There is only "incremental progress" on strengthening the single currency. Citizens' rights derived from EU law are upheld. Path two: 'Nothing but the single market' The single market becomes the EU's focus. Plans to work more on migration, security or defence are shelved. The report says this could lead to more checks of people at national borders. Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel (l) and British Prime Minister Theresa May (r) have clashed over the future of the single market Regulation would be reduced but this could create a "race to the bottom" as standards slip, it says. It becomes difficult to agree new common rules on the mobility of workers, so free movement of workers and services is not fully guaranteed. Path three: 'Those who want to do more' If member countries want to work more with others, they can. Willing groups of states can form coalitions on key areas, such as defence, internal security, taxation and justice. Relations with outside countries, including trade negotiations, remain managed at EU level on behalf of all member states. Path four: 'Doing less, more effectively' The EU focuses on a reduced agenda where it can deliver clear benefits: technological innovation, trade, security, immigration, borders and defence. It leaves other areas - regional development, health, employment, social policy - to member states' own governments. Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionAn EU agency would manage all borders surrounding the union, including this one between Bulgaria and Turkey EU agencies tackle counter-terrorism work, asylum claims and border control. Joint defence capacities are established. The report says all this would make a simplified, less ambitious EU. Brexit: All you need to know Path five: 'Doing much more together' Feeling unable to meet the today's challenges alone or as part of the existing group, EU members agree to expand the union's role. Members agree "to share more power, resources and decision-making across the board". The single currency is made central to the project, and EU law has a much larger role. Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionPath five would promote the euro as beneficial for all, including troubled Greece (pictured) Several European "Silicon Valleys" would emerge, says the report. Decisions and action would be taken more quickly, but, the paper warns, "there is the risk of alienating parts of society which feel that the EU lacks legitimacy or has taken too much power away from national authorities". The view from Brussels, by the BBC's Kevin Connolly Jean-Claude Juncker clearly doesn't want the over-riding memory of the Treaty anniversary to be the fact that the European Union has contracted for the first time after expanding steadily since 1957. The absence of the 28th member state, the UK, will provide a sharp reminder of just how long a shadow Brexit now casts over EU proceedings. However, in his five possible scenarios, Mr Juncker hasn't provided any grand sweeping vision of the future. After the shock of Brexit and amid signs of a spasm of populism in France, the Netherlands and elsewhere, few would have been in the mood for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 2 March 2017 Share Posted 2 March 2017 I was renewing vehicle insurance the other day and it made me consider how many current insurance policies allow us to drive in the eu as an inclusion on the policy... I was thinking that this perhaps may change in the future and become an additional surcharge...... So it got me to thinking, are there other areas of our social practices that may incur costs post Brexit we have yet thought about? And I suppose which demographics in our society will be affected the most and why...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 2 March 2017 Share Posted 2 March 2017 1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said: I was renewing vehicle insurance the other day and it made me consider how many current insurance policies allow us to drive in the eu as an inclusion on the policy... I was thinking that this perhaps may change in the future and become an additional surcharge...... So it got me to thinking, are there other areas of our social practices that may incur costs post Brexit we have yet thought about? And I suppose which demographics in our society will be affected the most and why...... I'm sure everyone in the money making businesses will find reasons to raise prices whether justified or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 This really is the true horror of Brexit.... Who will serve us coffee and Pret ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 7 March 2017 Share Posted 7 March 2017 I don't think this is perhaps safe for work. NSFW It's Frankie Boyle's Brexit column - there are some really funny bits in this. I especially liked his description of Boris.... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1429553200419375&id=149786485062726 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 18 March 2017 Share Posted 18 March 2017 NHS in staffing crisis as EU nurses quit: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/18/nhs-eu-nurses-quit-record-numbers The number of EU nationals registering as nurses in England has dropped by 92% since the Brexit referendum in June, and a record number are quitting the NHS, it can be revealed. Nursing degree applications slump after NHS bursaries abolished Royal college says decline – part of drop in English applications across university courses – raise fears for future recruitment The shock figures have prompted warnings that Theresa May’s failure to offer assurances to foreigners living in the UK is exacerbating a staffing crisis in the health service. Only 96 nurses joined the NHS from other European nations in December 2016 – a drop from 1,304 in July, the month after the referendum. At the same time, freedom of information responses from 80 of the 136 NHS acute trusts in England show that 2,700 EU nurses left the health service in 2016, compared to 1,600 EU nurses in 2014 – a 68% increase. The haemorrhaging of foreign staff in the NHS is being blamed by the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) on the failure of the government to provide EU nationals in the UK with any security about their future. May has claimed that Britain cannot act unilaterally to guarantee residency as it would weaken her hand in the coming article 50 negotiations over Brexit. Janet Davies, chief executive and general secretary of the RCN, said the government’s tactic was backfiring, and now threatened the sustainability of the health service. “The government risks turning off the supply of qualified nurses from around the world at the very moment the health service is in a staffing crisis like never before,” she sai MPs vote to reject Lords amendments to Brexit bill “As she pulls the trigger to begin negotiations, the prime minister must tell EU nurses and those in other occupations that they are needed and welcome in the NHS. Sadly, it is no surprise that EU staff are leaving – they have been offered no security or reassurance that they will be able to keep their jobs. Few are able to live with such uncertainty. “The government has failed to train enough British nurses and cannot afford to lose the international workforce on which the NHS so heavily relies.” There are an estimated 57,000 EU nationals working for the NHS, including 10,000 doctors and 20,000 nurses. On Saturday the Liberal Democrats passed a motion at their spring conference in York calling for a guaranteed right to live and work in the UK for all EU citizens working in the NHS and care services. The former health minister Norman Lamb said that the government’s attitude to EU nationals in the UK was “deeply damaging”, and that the creation of a so-called “NHS passport” could be a vital step. “These shocking figures show you can’t have a strong NHS and a hard Brexit,” he said. “The government’s refusal to guarantee that nurses from the EU can stay here is not only morally unjustifiable, it is deeply damaging for the NHS. “Theresa May must urgently give EU nationals the certainty they need before we see an even bigger exodus of nurses on whom our health service relies.” Joan Pons Laplana, a Spanish national and a senior nurse at the James Paget Hospital in Great Yarmouth, who came to the UK 17 years ago, told the Observer that he had personally witnessed the collapse in morale of foreign nurses. “Since Brexit, I feel like a second-class citizen,” he said. “My son asked me if I was going to be forced back to Spain and my daughter doesn’t want to visit her grandparents because she fears I will not be able to come back. Our nurses are being cast into a perfect Brexit storm Polly Toynbee Cuts and the threat to EU staff add to the growing NHS crisis. The least leavers can do is reassure them “The UK is no longer the first choice for EU nurses. The uncertain future means many they are starting to leave. We are people with feelings, not a commodity at the Brexit table.” The NHS is already under pressure because of a long-term failure to hire enough people. Applications for nursing courses plummeted by almost a quarter in a year after the government axed bursaries for trainees in 2016. Numbers fell by 9,990 to 33,810 in 12 months, according to figures released in February by the university admissions service Ucas. Meanwhile, one in three nurses is due to retire in the next 10 years and there are 24,000 nurse jobs unfilled, RCN figures show. A spokesperson for the DH said: “While the stock of nurses is broadly stable, some of the changes described owe to the introduction of more rigorous language testing. The secretary of state has repeatedly said that overseas workers form a crucial part of our NHS and that we value their contribution immensely. “We continue to invest in the frontline, with 13,400 more nurses on our wards since May 2010 and over 52,000 nurses in training.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 18 March 2017 Share Posted 18 March 2017 11 minutes ago, Buce said: NHS in staffing crisis as EU nurses quit: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/18/nhs-eu-nurses-quit-record-numbers The number of EU nationals registering as nurses in England has dropped by 92% since the Brexit referendum in June, and a record number are quitting the NHS, it can be revealed. Nursing degree applications slump after NHS bursaries abolished Royal college says decline – part of drop in English applications across university courses – raise fears for future recruitment The shock figures have prompted warnings that Theresa May’s failure to offer assurances to foreigners living in the UK is exacerbating a staffing crisis in the health service. Only 96 nurses joined the NHS from other European nations in December 2016 – a drop from 1,304 in July, the month after the referendum. At the same time, freedom of information responses from 80 of the 136 NHS acute trusts in England show that 2,700 EU nurses left the health service in 2016, compared to 1,600 EU nurses in 2014 – a 68% increase. The haemorrhaging of foreign staff in the NHS is being blamed by the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) on the failure of the government to provide EU nationals in the UK with any security about their future. May has claimed that Britain cannot act unilaterally to guarantee residency as it would weaken her hand in the coming article 50 negotiations over Brexit. Janet Davies, chief executive and general secretary of the RCN, said the government’s tactic was backfiring, and now threatened the sustainability of the health service. “The government risks turning off the supply of qualified nurses from around the world at the very moment the health service is in a staffing crisis like never before,” she sai MPs vote to reject Lords amendments to Brexit bill “As she pulls the trigger to begin negotiations, the prime minister must tell EU nurses and those in other occupations that they are needed and welcome in the NHS. Sadly, it is no surprise that EU staff are leaving – they have been offered no security or reassurance that they will be able to keep their jobs. Few are able to live with such uncertainty. “The government has failed to train enough British nurses and cannot afford to lose the international workforce on which the NHS so heavily relies.” There are an estimated 57,000 EU nationals working for the NHS, including 10,000 doctors and 20,000 nurses. On Saturday the Liberal Democrats passed a motion at their spring conference in York calling for a guaranteed right to live and work in the UK for all EU citizens working in the NHS and care services. The former health minister Norman Lamb said that the government’s attitude to EU nationals in the UK was “deeply damaging”, and that the creation of a so-called “NHS passport” could be a vital step. “These shocking figures show you can’t have a strong NHS and a hard Brexit,” he said. “The government’s refusal to guarantee that nurses from the EU can stay here is not only morally unjustifiable, it is deeply damaging for the NHS. “Theresa May must urgently give EU nationals the certainty they need before we see an even bigger exodus of nurses on whom our health service relies.” Joan Pons Laplana, a Spanish national and a senior nurse at the James Paget Hospital in Great Yarmouth, who came to the UK 17 years ago, told the Observer that he had personally witnessed the collapse in morale of foreign nurses. “Since Brexit, I feel like a second-class citizen,” he said. “My son asked me if I was going to be forced back to Spain and my daughter doesn’t want to visit her grandparents because she fears I will not be able to come back. Our nurses are being cast into a perfect Brexit storm Polly Toynbee Cuts and the threat to EU staff add to the growing NHS crisis. The least leavers can do is reassure them “The UK is no longer the first choice for EU nurses. The uncertain future means many they are starting to leave. We are people with feelings, not a commodity at the Brexit table.” The NHS is already under pressure because of a long-term failure to hire enough people. Applications for nursing courses plummeted by almost a quarter in a year after the government axed bursaries for trainees in 2016. Numbers fell by 9,990 to 33,810 in 12 months, according to figures released in February by the university admissions service Ucas. Meanwhile, one in three nurses is due to retire in the next 10 years and there are 24,000 nurse jobs unfilled, RCN figures show. A spokesperson for the DH said: “While the stock of nurses is broadly stable, some of the changes described owe to the introduction of more rigorous language testing. The secretary of state has repeatedly said that overseas workers form a crucial part of our NHS and that we value their contribution immensely. “We continue to invest in the frontline, with 13,400 more nurses on our wards since May 2010 and over 52,000 nurses in training.” Perhaps they will consider in investing in our own people and training them up. It's great for my wife as bank shift pay is going through the roof. Kerching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 18 March 2017 Share Posted 18 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: Perhaps they will consider in investing in our own people and training them up. It's great for my wife as bank shift pay is going through the roof. Kerching Doesn't look like it, mate: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/21/nhs-bursaries-for-student-nurses-will-end-in-2017-government-confirms I think my missus may be switching to bank work, so I'm glad to hear what you say about pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 18 March 2017 Share Posted 18 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Buce said: Doesn't look like it, mate: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/21/nhs-bursaries-for-student-nurses-will-end-in-2017-government-confirms I think my missus may be switching to bank work, so I'm glad to hear what you say about pay. Yeah band 7 on some wards ATM to cover staff shortages. You can earn £600 plus just for a weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 19 March 2017 Share Posted 19 March 2017 23 hours ago, Strokes said: Perhaps they will consider in investing in our own people and training them up. It's great for my wife as bank shift pay is going through the roof. Kerching Very well said Sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 19 March 2017 Share Posted 19 March 2017 On 17/02/2017 at 09:33, davieG said: Tony Blair calls for people to 'rise up' against Brexit 21 minutes ago Tony Blair is to announce his "mission" to persuade Britons to "rise up" and change their minds on Brexit. The former prime minister will say in a speech later that people voted in the referendum "without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit". He will say he wants to "build support for finding a way out from the present rush over the cliff's edge". But former Cabinet minister Iain Duncan Smith said Mr Blair's comments were arrogant and utterly undemocratic. Downing Street has said it is "absolutely committed" to seeing Brexit through. Prime Minister Theresa May wants to trigger formal Brexit talks by the end of March - a move which was backed in the House of Commons by MPs last week. 'Expose relentlessly' Mr Blair, who was UK prime minister between 1997 and 2007, will say in his speech to the pro-European campaign group Open Britain that those driving a withdrawal from the European Union "always wanted a hard Brexit". "Indeed even the term 'Hard Brexit' requires amendment. The policy is now 'Brexit at any cost'," he will say. "Our challenge is to expose, relentlessly, the actual cost. Image caption51.9% of UK voters backed leaving the EU in June "To show how this decision was based on imperfect knowledge, which will now become informed knowledge. "To calculate in 'easy to understand' ways how proceeding will cause real damage to the country and its citizens and to build support for finding a way out from the present rush over the cliff's edge." Mr Blair, who campaigned to Remain in the EU, will say he accepts the verdict of June's referendum, but would recommend looking again at Brexit when "we have a clear sense of where we're going". He will also say the debate is being driven by immigration "which I fully accept is a substantial issue". "Nonetheless, we have moved in a few months from a debate about what sort of Brexit, involving a balanced consideration of all the different possibilities; to the primacy of one consideration - namely controlling immigration from the EU - without any real discussion as to why, and when Brexit doesn't affect the immigration people most care about." 'Rallying call' Mr Blair has faced criticism in the past for his government's decision to allow people from Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to work in Britain without restrictions, while most EU states imposed transitional controls to slow the rate of migration. BBC political correspondent Tom Bateman said the former prime minister's intervention on Friday is "quite an explicit rallying call" for those who campaigned on the Remain side, warning them that now is not the time to retreat but to "rise up in defence of what we believe". But he added that not everyone on the Remain side agrees with Mr Blair, with one former campaign boss arguing that they should be working for the best version of Brexit, rather than fighting against it. A government spokesman said the British people had expressed their view very clearly on 23 June, adding: "There will be no second referendum." Iain Duncan Smith, who was a prominent Leave campaigner, said Mr Blair's comments were arrogant, utterly undemocratic and showed that the political elite was completely out of touch with the British people. Brexit bill Supporters of leaving the EU argue it will free up the UK to trade better globally and give the government better control of immigration. Previously, Mr Blair has called for the views of the "16 million" people who had backed remaining in the EU not to be ignored. He has argued that there has to be a way, either "through Parliament, or an election, or possibly through another referendum, in which people express their view". Earlier this month, MPs overwhelmingly agreed to let the government begin the UK's departure from the EU by voting for the Brexit bill. The draft legislation was approved by 494 votes to 122, and will move to the House of Lords on Monday. But the Commons vote prompted splits in the Labour party, with shadow business secretary Clive Lewis quitting the front bench to vote against the bill. Despite calls by leader Jeremy Corbyn for his party to back the government, 52 MPs rebelled. Lib Dem attempts to amend the bill to include a provision for another referendum were defeated by 340 votes to 33. The government has promised to invoke Article 50 - setting formal talks with the EU in motion - by the end of next month, but it requires Parliament's permission before doing so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news So sayeth the biggest twat of all time! Back under your stone Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 19 March 2017 Share Posted 19 March 2017 15 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: So sayeth the biggest twat of all time! Back under your stone Blair. You're only a month late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 19 March 2017 Share Posted 19 March 2017 21 minutes ago, Facecloth said: You're only a month late And not a hint of irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 19 March 2017 Share Posted 19 March 2017 A good reason not to change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39335904 Nice to see a fair few MP's viewing the BBC's coverage as a bit dodgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 47 minutes ago, Innovindil said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39335904 Nice to see a fair few MP's viewing the BBC's coverage as a bit dodgy. There's been so much EU money going into the BBC - quite apart from it being a haven for political activists and wannabe enforcers - there's never going to be anything neutral about the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 On 18/03/2017 at 16:06, Strokes said: Perhaps they will consider in investing in our own people and training them up. It's great for my wife as bank shift pay is going through the roof. Kerching I've still to learn why we ever stopped training sufficient medical staff through our colleges and universities. Quite apart from our own situation every "incomer" staff member weakens the care cover in the countries they come from. But what's that matter to the selfish campaigners for still more "incomer" staff. Or the potential jobs for UK trainees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 The whole "BBC bias" chip some people have on their shoulder really gets on my tits. Anyone ever thought the fact that it's an accusation that's made by both right and left *might* just be an indication that they're doing their jobs properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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