Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 It wasn't his promise, he was part of leave.eu not vote leave. Good point, people seem to forget Nige was shunted out of the official campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The National Socialist Party I ****ing love you for putting that. It was the first thing that came to my mind as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 A Leave voter has admitted on national television that he didn’t think his ballot would matter and is now shocked the UK will now leave the European Union. WTF? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29?k8b1k6wvy7evzpvi Not a shock at all, plenty of people have made "protest votes" previously voting for UKIP, no matter how illogical it might be people probably did the same. A sort of, I'll let them know I'm not happy by voting to give them a scare, they'll never get in so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Very promising speech from Jean-Claude Juncker on the BBC now for anyone worried about the future relationship with Europe, we hope to have them as a close partner in the future, we want an agreement, balance and dialogue in the interests of both sides. What a change from last week. The ridiculous thing is, he said all that shit most probably with the UK's blessing to help the scare campaign. Did it back fire? Would comments like that have given some people hope that there was a future within the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 As much as i'm annoyed that we're not remaining i'm now kind of excited and interested to see what will change. No point being negative about it now I guess... Hopefully our move will help encourage the Dutch, Italians, French etc to do their own referendum and we're all broken up. Keep the trade but leave the free movement. Hopefully we can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 If people had this feeling about Europe, why didnt UKIP get loads of seats in the election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The Nigel Farage story is quite incredible. His first by-election for a party advocating withdrawal from Europe he got 952 votes, beating Screaming Lord Sutch by 150 odd votes, just 21 years later that idea has just received over 17 million votes nationwide. Has a political party ever been formed and achieved it's main aim within 30 years? They've already announced the new Prime Minister will invoke it when elected, good decision as well, going gung ho into something as serious as this would be silly. It's absolutely incredible really. Say what you like about him or his policies but he's clearly one of the most effective politicians in living memory. Ridiculous "achievement" to have taken what seemed like a completely fruity idea (remember when Kilroy was in charge of UKIP for goodness sake) not only onto the main stage but to get it to the point that it wins a referendum. If people had this feeling about Europe, why didnt UKIP get loads of seats in the election? First past the post and Conservatives promised a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 If people had this feeling about Europe, why didnt UKIP get loads of seats in the election? Because first past the post + safe seats which discourage voting = not many seats for UKIP. I'm sure if voting was proportional then they would have a lot more seats. Our voting isnt the best for giving smaller parties a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The point I was making is that populist parties use the flavour of the day and base most of their policies around that. The National Socialist party was on German Nationalism that had rose with the Great Depression and fear of a religious minority and their impact on the economy, as well as expansionism and national liberty after the League of Nations had virtually put Germany under house arrest. Fast forward to 2016 and British Nationalism has rose during a period of austerity and cuts and the arrival of larger and more diverse immigration. National independence is raised as an issue as the EU governs fishing quota, borders, and regulation. There's obviously big differences between the two and by no means am I calling UKIP the new Nazi party, there on totally different levels, but the fact is populist movements of any ilk have a historical records of picking up swathes of votes when the public feels downtrodden and distanced from the political class. It's nothing new and it will likely come to happen again, the big question is how will the establishment deal with a threat in the 21st century, one that can now travel and influence at an extraordinary rate with the platform of social media and fluid connectivity. The establishment have fell at the first big hurdle and it will now have to re-think it's strategy, there's a whole class that could swing a vote that is disconnected and spouting regurgitated points of a world all together with Brexiters considered racist, bigoted savages has damaged their campaign irreversibly. From now on they'll have to persuade the working-to-middle class with a sense with sensitivity to win them back. It seems, rightly or wrongly depending on your side, the lower classes have found their voice. They can be engaged, and the Tories and Labour now have to step up and achieve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 It feels like the idiots have taken over the asylum. I guess this is the price you pay for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The ridiculous thing is, he said all that shit most probably with the UK's blessing to help the scare campaign. Did it back fire? Would comments like that have given some people hope that there was a future within the EU? I said at the start of the campaign if there is one people in Europe you can't bully into doing something it's the British. I can't really stand by it as I thought we were done for, I should have had more faith in the our people. It's absolutely incredible really. Say what you like about him or his policies but he's clearly one of the most effective politicians in living memory. Ridiculous "achievement" to have taken what seemed like a completely fruity idea (remember when Kilroy was in charge of UKIP for goodness sake) not only onto the main stage but to get it to the point that it wins a referendum. First past the post and Conservatives promised a referendum. The more you think about it the more outrageous it is, he actually also did all this despite never entering the House of Commons. I remember laughing when in 2012 (I think) The Times named him as the most influential right winger in Britain, he's probably now the most influential politician of this generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Lot of moaning coming from Europe ... getting quite animated ... it might affect their yooman rights !! But on the other hand, thats how we voted so why don't they respect that and fook off .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Why on earth would anyone believe a promise about public spending from someone who isn't even elected in the House of Commons let alone anywhere near the treasury?!! Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn from Labour MP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Great reply I feel a strong connection to Western Europe, I think we share a similar culture, through our languages, history, religious beliefs (although I am not religious) and many more things that if I thought about them would become obvious similarities. I want to tell everyone that I am not a racist bigot. I'm not sure why I may be branded as such, but on reflection I believe, it is by people who do not understand what the referendum was actually about. I am sure that there were people on both sides that were misinformed, and believed many things they heard to be fact, They may not have the foresight to challenge what they were told, but that is the same all over the world. The politicians do have a responsibility to show the electorate the facts in a responsible way, and both sides have failed to do this at times, which devalues the debate. There should have been a more enlightened debate, however many can not contemplate the different factors, even the experts. I think all of the EU member states (Sovereign nations) should pay close attention to why the British people decided to ignore the fear factor inserted from both sides, and to come out with a close, but ultimately Leave vote. For me I can concisely say that, British people: On the whole do not feel European. Have great confidence in our country to stand alone, our history I believe give us this belief. We do not like the perception that EU Bureaucrats are deciding our futures, especially when we do not know who they are, and we feel no connection to them. We do not like to see the economic haves (Germany), and have nots (Mediterranean countries), which has occurred since the Euro was imposed. feel that our parliament and courts should be sovereign over the EU. feel that our democracy is more important than our economy. do not understand why a trade agreement should become a political union, moving to ever closer union. who are less well off, and have less opportunities, do not see the benefits of being able to live and work abroad because in reality they are not better opportunities, and this is where the free movement of people then erodes their standard of living and economic migration becomes a major issue. I believe these to be the main points for Leave. Thank you for your honest response and opinion. I am forced to do some work however, so I can't address most points. Just wanted to highlight the last one though. The UK has been an immigrant country for centuries, as in, big influxes of immigration citizens are nothing new to you. A lot of that I guess is down to your country's history. What has changed in this respect? The UK is not part of the Schengen agreement, so why this argument that the UK cannot control it's own borders? Isn't that outright wrong? Is there actually any evidence that pressures caused by immigration is negatively affecting those 'less well off'? And who are these people anyway? What's this inherent idea that British indigenous people contribute more to society and wealth than immigrants? Is it a good way to pick and choose on the basis citizenship in your passport? We have our fair share of xenophobes in Denmark, yet strangely, these people predominantly live in areas with very few foreign immigrants. They act on prejudice and fear, not on anything based in reality. Again, these are people that should take a long hard look at themselves before pointing the finger. Sorry for the barrage of questions, I guess I'm a bit taken aback by it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastAnglianFox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Christ, knew it wouldn't be long before Gary Lineker piped up. Never been so ashamed of his generation he says, and we should now consider changing the name of the Union Jack to "I'm Alright Jack" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHawk Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Vote of no confidence submitted against Corbyn - was only a matter of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy Bob Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Why on earth would anyone believe a promise about public spending from someone who isn't even elected in the House of Commons let alone anywhere near the treasury?!! Then why believe anything he ever said? This is a man who people looked up to, who people trusted when he said we'd benefit from leaving the EU. Now, just hours after the results are in, he is admitting it was all a sham. It's nothing new, of course, politicians lie all the time, but it's rare to see something so brazen, rare to admit the central part of the campaign is a lie so soon after the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Christ, knew it wouldn't be long before Gary Lineker piped up. Never been so ashamed of his generation he says, and we should now consider changing the name of the Union Jack to "I'm Alright Jack" Think a period of silent contemplation would be wise before some of these mardy remainers comment further ..he ought to bare in mind the people he is ashamed of help pay his inflated salary.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 What have we done? I feel shocked... It's not just our economy and prospects that we've screwed up, but, now other European economies are dropping like a stone amid fears of the break up of the Union... I feel ashamed and embarrassed of my countrymen today... I genuinely thought we'd be bigger and better than to get sucked in my the small minded isolationist and occasionally bigoted rhetoric... the irony...I was In Düsseldorf yesterday working with people from France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Norway add Poland... All working together on plans that will create opportunities for a factory in Leicester... Today a big doubt has been raised about a collaborative project we've been working on for a year as we longer know whether contractors will ignore EN standards (European norms) in the UK market as it's not regulation... We've really f@cked ourselves... I'm so annoyed... People have been duped and have no real insight into the huge impacts it is already starting to have... I'm in a state of shock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Trump says we would be at the front of the queue for trade deals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 A word for this man as well who fought so hard for this when the tide was against him, he would have absolutely loved to have been alive to witness what the British people did today. Such a shame he couldn't see out two more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Trump says we would be at the front of the queue for trade deals.... But he won't be so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy Bob Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Thank you for your honest response and opinion. I am forced to do some work however, so I can't address most points. Just wanted to highlight the last one though. The UK has been an immigrant country for centuries, as in, big influxes of immigration citizens are nothing new to you. A lot of that I guess is down to your country's history. What has changed in this respect? The UK is not part of the Schengen agreement, so why this argument that the UK cannot control it's own borders? Isn't that outright wrong? Is there actually any evidence that pressures caused by immigration is negatively affecting those 'less well off'? And who are these people anyway? What's this inherent idea that British indigenous people contribute more to society and wealth than immigrants? Is it a good way to pick and choose on the basis citizenship in your passport? We have our fair share of xenophobes in Denmark, yet strangely, these people predominantly live in areas with very few foreign immigrants. They act on prejudice and fear, not on anything based in reality. Again, these are people that should take a long hard look at themselves before pointing the finger. Sorry for the barrage of questions, I guess I'm a bit taken aback by it all. It is quite interesting that the areas of England and Wales with the fewest immigrants tended to vote leave and vice versa. I can imagine those people, venturing into the cities, seeing some brown faces and having a bit of a panic attack. Then going home to their white villages and getting all angry about immigrants. Pretty much describes my grandparents to a tee a really, don't think either of them have ever socialised with someone who wasn't white, and they both voted leave . The miserable old twats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The country is bereft of quality leaders. Cameron is inept, Corbyn has been pretty anonymous .... and then we have Hodgson! Eddie Jones for PM - an Aussie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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