Thracian Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 It feels like the idiots have taken over the asylum. I guess this is the price you pay for democracy. It feels like the idiots have taken over the asylum. I guess this is the price you pay for democracy. What blinkered defeatism. Millions of people voted Leave for a combination of reasons and it is clear all over Europe that there needs to be a massive change of thinking in European politics. We now have the opportunity to help fashion that thinking. Indeed my biggest worry listening to the television coverage last night was that the politicians still can't accept the need to change and that there are still massive barriers to the needed changes. . In the end I can only believe there will be other countries demanding their own independence votes but, hopefully, something better will eventually emerge because there is so much that's wrong at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 A word for this man as well who fought so hard for this when the tide was against him, he would have absolutely loved to have been alive to witness what the British people did today. Such a shame he couldn't see out two more years. The Godfather of democracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 A word for this man as well who fought so hard for this when the tide was against him, he would have absolutely loved to have been alive to witness what the British people did today. Such a shame he couldn't see out two more years. You really think he'd have been supportive of Johnson and Gove trying to concentrate their power? He wanted out but I highly doubt out to more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 But he won't be so..... don't be too sure ..same thing was said about brexit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST20 Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 But he won't be so..... I wouldn't be so sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 You really think he'd have been supportive of Johnson and Gove trying to concentrate their power? He wanted out but I highly doubt out to more of the same. you totally miss the point..if We the people want johnson and gove he would accept it... it would be OUR choice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 It is quite interesting that the areas of England and Wales with the fewest immigrants tended to vote leave and vice versa. I can imagine those people, venturing into the cities, seeing some brown faces and having a bit of a panic attack. Then going home to their white villages and getting all angry about immigrants. Pretty much describes my grandparents to a tee a really, don't think either of them have ever socialised with someone who wasn't white, and they both voted leave . The miserable old twats. You sound like part of the problem if you believe that. I voted out and have no problem at all with brown faces. Or yellow faces or black faces. And people who assume otherwise are just the kind whose voices have been listened to with such self-interest at the expense of others who have wanted a far more natural and balanced evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST20 Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 It is quite interesting that the areas of England and Wales with the fewest immigrants tended to vote leave and vice versa. I can imagine those people, venturing into the cities, seeing some brown faces and having a bit of a panic attack. Then going home to their white villages and getting all angry about immigrants. Pretty much describes my grandparents to a tee a really, don't think either of them have ever socialised with someone who wasn't white, and they both voted leave . The miserable old twats. Pretty ignorant statement within itself there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 You really think he'd have been supportive of Johnson and Gove trying to concentrate their power? He wanted out but I highly doubt out to more of the same. Tony Benn supported democracy no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Lot of moaning coming from Europe ... getting quite animated ... it might affect their yooman rights !! But on the other hand, thats how we voted so why don't they respect that and fook off .... Great reply. Very sympathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 At the end of the day those that voted leave as a 'kick' to the establishment are by their very nature more working class. It's those voters that have swung the decision, and yet they will feel the force of recession more than anybody else in society.It's going to be very interesting to see how arguments are constructed when they realise themselves gobbling on December 25th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 If people had this feeling about Europe, why didnt UKIP get loads of seats in the election? They were third in proportion of Votes and that's after the tories offered the referendum to try and slow down their support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpaM Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The country is bereft of quality leaders. Cameron is inept, Corbyn has been pretty anonymous .... and then we have Hodgson! Eddie Jones for PM - an Aussie I can guarantee whoever takes over is going to be more 'inept' than Cameron is I don't think Cameron is doing that bad of a job all things considered, I think it's a shame he's stepping down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 What have we done? I feel shocked... It's not just our economy and prospects that we've screwed up, but, now other European economies are dropping like a stone amid fears of the break up of the Union... I feel ashamed and embarrassed of my countrymen today... I genuinely thought we'd be bigger and better than to get sucked in my the small minded isolationist and occasionally bigoted rhetoric... the irony...I was In Düsseldorf yesterday working with people from France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Norway add Poland... All working together on plans that will create opportunities for a factory in Leicester... Today a big doubt has been raised about a collaborative project we've been working on for a year as we longer know whether contractors will ignore EN standards (European norms) in the UK market as it's not regulation... We've really f@cked ourselves... I'm so annoyed... People have been duped and have no real insight into the huge impacts it is already starting to have... I'm in a state of shock In the order you've said them ... We've really f@cked ourselves ... No we haven't we have finally seen the light. I'm so annoyed ... get over it and change your plans accordingly. People have been duped ... No they haven't they have seen through the cr@p and fear and have had enough. People have no real insight into the impacts .... Don't be so patronizing !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The ridiculous thing is, he said all that shit most probably with the UK's blessing to help the scare campaign. Did it back fire? Would comments like that have given some people hope that there was a future within the EU? Some advert for a politician that is. I can stand people with differing opinions but not people who will say anything for their own ends. And one thing's for sure whoever pulled his strings, Juncker's changed his tune dramatically and can no more be trusted than others who act similarly. Yes, I accept that people can change their minds over time and give their reasons sincerely . But this wasn't that. This was a man singing whatever song served the moment. Not a man of sincerity. Just any old low-life survivalist politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Tony Benn supported democracy no matter what. You're entirely missing the point. Do you really think he'd have allied with and be delighted by victory for the extremist right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy Bob Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 You sound like part of the problem if you believe that. I voted out and have no problem at all with brown faces. Or yellow faces or black faces. And people who assume otherwise are just the kind whose voices have been listened to with such self-interest at the expense of others who have wanted a far more natural and balanced evolution. Sure. But it's not really a case of what I 'believe' when I'm talking about my own grandparents. I know for a fact what they are like, how they voted, and why they voted that way. So that's at least two people who fit my description. How many more fit it I can only speculate, but I strongly suspect it's enough to have tipped the balance in this referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 I can guarantee whoever takes over is going to be more 'inept' than Cameron is I don't think Cameron is doing that bad of a job all things considered, I think it's a shame he's stepping down Me neither in some ways but he squandered his own credibility in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 You really think he'd have been supportive of Johnson and Gove trying to concentrate their power? He wanted out but I highly doubt out to more of the same. Tony Benn would have moved heaven and earth to withdraw from the European Union, then after that moved heaven and earth to show the people why Johnson and Gove were wrong. You are speaking like no Labour MP's supported Brexit, if you seriously think Benn would have supported remain it's a level of delusion I can't comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 At the end of the day those that voted leave as a 'kick' to the establishment are by their very nature more working class. It's those voters that have swung the decision, and yet they will feel the force of recession more than anybody else in society. It's going to be very interesting to see how arguments are constructed when they realise themselves gobbling on December 25th. The big businessman has spoken .... working class idiots ! If only they had your intellectual insight Noddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 You're entirely missing the point. Do you really think he'd have allied with and be delighted by victory for the extremist right? Yes, he would never have been so lazy as to compromise his core principles because of what might happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 So can people with AIDS/Hiv no longer visit the UK ? Wasn't that one of the pledges ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 You're entirely missing the point. Do you really think he'd have allied with and be delighted by victory for the extremist right? What an indefensible insult to millions of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-layrex Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Exhausted, managed to watch the whole thing until around 7am. Mixed emotions, but I voted out and believe in our country to be better in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn from Labour MP's. I had a motions to have a shite Funnily enough it's the Same process , one huge push and get rid of the turd ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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