GaelicFox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Exhausted, managed to watch the whole thing until around 7am. Mixed emotioms, but I voted out and believe in our country to be better in the long run. Everyone has mixed emotions , we stand together Britain is indestructible Even thatcher couldn't break her spirit ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilworthfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The UK has been an immigrant country for centuries, as in, big influxes of immigration citizens are nothing new to you. A lot of that I guess is down to your country's history. What has changed in this respect? I believe that the UK is happy to have immigrants, but at a sensible controlable level, for social planning reasons receiving 300,000 people roughly every year has strained institutions such as the NHS, Schools, and Housing (The price of houses in the UK are astronomical, totally unaffordable for a single person). It is felt that low skilled workers should not be allowed to arrive en mass as we already have many unemployed who could be working in the unskilled labour market. The UK is not part of the Schengen agreement, so why this argument that the UK cannot control it's own borders? Isn't that outright wrong? I understand this, I am unsure how we have had such an influx of EU nationals (mainly from the east) who have happily taken many unskilled jobs. Is there actually any evidence that pressures caused by immigration is negatively affecting those 'less well off'? Yes, salaries have not risen year on year, this is because the labour market has more people than jobs available, which is great for business as it keeps wages low, but not for people as their aspirations are dwindling due to more competition. And who are these people anyway? I imagine that they are many old socialist / nationalist voters, obviously not all. What's this inherent idea that British indigenous people contribute more to society and wealth than immigrants? I do not believe that there is a belief that they contribute more, but that they should be first in the queue in the country that they were born in, studied and whose ancestors created its culture and values, rather than an economic migrant. Is it a good way to pick and choose on the basis citizenship in your passport? I think that is always how it has been. Only in the EU have they tried to create a sense of European nationality from many countries, which many people in the UK do not agree with. Is it better or worse, I am unsure. We have our fair share of xenophobes in Denmark, yet strangely, these people predominantly live in areas with very few foreign immigrants. They act on prejudice and fear, not on anything based in reality. Again, these are people that should take a long hard look at themselves before pointing the finger. Sorry for the barrage of questions, I guess I'm a bit taken aback by it all. My answers to your questions, are just my perceptions of the state of the current feeling in the UK, not necessarily my opinions of how things actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 A word for this man as well who fought so hard for this when the tide was against him, he would have absolutely loved to have been alive to witness what the British people did today. Such a shame he couldn't see out two more years. Would've gave me real hope in a post-Brexit Labour strategy had he still been kicking around the political scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 The big businessman has spoken .... working class idiots ! If only they had your intellectual insight Noddy. Never claimed to be a big business man. I just fear for this country, especially those already struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Never claimed to be a big business man. I just fear for this country, especially those already struggling. But you implied it. And don't worry about the country I'm sure that we will survive ... and prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestoh Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 WE'RE ENGLAND AND WALES, FVCK OFF SCOTLAND, NORTHERN IRELAND AND THE REST OF EUROPE, WE'RE ENGLAND AND WALES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 But you implied it. And don't worry about the country I'm sure that we will survive ... and prosper. What I was implying is that I'm better informed. Appreciate that's no less condescending but I absolutely am not and have not implied I form a part of 'big business'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 You're entirely missing the point. Do you really think he'd have allied with and be delighted by victory for the extremist right? you are missing the point he would respect the peoples verdict...either way... and fight for his beliefs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPro Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Woke up this morning to find I am a xenophobic racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Who will become the next labour leader if Corbyn leaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 I think this thread shows in a microism the deep divide between people in this matter and how it's extended out into the wider UK. I've got friends I've known for years screaming at each other via Facebook with all kinds of insults being tossed around, for goodness sake. That is the real consequence of this vote - not the result either way, but the pretty clear and present fact that it shows in the harshest possible terms that the UK is deeply divided along a series of demographic lines. Us and them. I hope that people do find a way to move past that, because a house divided cannot for long stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 What I was implying is that I'm better informed. Appreciate that's no less condescending but I absolutely am not and have not implied I form a part of 'big business'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanguedocFox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Nigel Farage saying £350million to the NHS was a mistake , kind of wish I'd stayed up long enough to see that. Almost as good as good as his pseudo-resignation. Isn't it refreshing to have honest principled politicians for a change. He also claimed that it was the official Leave campaign which made that claim, and that he didn't agree with it. He's a fvcking liar: he made precisely that claim on BBC Breakfast about six weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Not me personally but my demographic. Leavers have been lead down a stray path. In answer to your question yesterday on the impact to media/advertising: Economic downturn (which is already happening) impacts confidence, it impacts trade, and it impacts a) the confidence to attempt to grow and b) the ability to grow. To grow, businesses and brands utilise agencies spanning marketing, communications, pr and advertising to support their communications. Whether that's a rebrand or a product launch, the motivation to give agencies work is directly impacted by businesses and their perceived ability to grow. I'm not on my own in thinking this either. 88% of IPA members (the advertising body for agencies) believe the leave vote will be bad news for the industry - http://www.ipa.co.uk/news/-ipa-survey-suggests-advertising-agency-industry-believe-their-business-prospects-are-better-if-the-uk-remains-part-of-the-eu#.V20YMLgrKhc As much as many people have a negative perception of advertisers and marketers, remember that the sole objective is always to improve business performance. When businesses succeed, they employ more people. Everyone wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 No they didn't. They misinformed people and abused numbers. If this were a game, yes, the leave campaign did a great job of suckering people, but this isn't a game. That's what I meant. They basically just had to scare the elderly, promise some things that might not happen and say "project fear" or "take back control" in response to everything. Also helped all the popular newspapers did the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Trump says we would be at the front of the queue for trade deals.... Having these far right goons like Trump and that French twerp coming out the woodwork makes this even more painful to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanguedocFox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 I saw this on the BBC News website: North West Leicestershire MP Andrew Bridgen has been speaking about how the referendum has galvanised support amongst people who weren't interested in politics. "I predicted some time ago that this referendum would be decided by people who don't normally vote. "In North West Leicestershire, we had people arriving at polling stations in their 50s and 60s who had never ever voted." It doesn't seem to occur to Mr Bridgen that this Referendum is therefore being decided by people who are not interested in the way that this country or the EU are run - moreover, people who will not have to live long with the consequences, unlike school-leavers and young parents in their 20s and 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Whilst I will always be grateful that democracy has the final word... I can help that Britain has been severely let down by poor journalism and social media. Immigration had been made out to be the end of life as we know it here. The British public is scared stiff because of lies spread in newspapers and social media. We should have stayed in for far better security of our future. Instead we are stepping into darkness and that is seriously worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynefox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 "those damned uneducated racists have taken away my future" - the Remain youth cry. European history tell us that when a system is PERCEIVED as a failure, the people will turn to radical view-points away from the status quo. People need to realise, instead of blaming 'Bazza the racist from Blackpool', you should be blaming the political establishment in Westminster and Brussels. It's sad that the whole referendum was essentially on one issue: immigration - millions voted for this. Instead of shunning these people with a holier-than-thou moral high horse stance, the political establishment should have listened to their concerns (whether they are wrong or in the right). Instead Westminster and Labour did not want to touch on the taboo issue of immigration because they would be seen as racists/xenophobes. Only when Cameron had to get off his arse to "renegotiate", due to pressure from a resurgent UKIP, did he go to Brussels in February. By then it was too late, the exaggerations of leave, particular from UKIP, won them the votes. Here is where the EU are at fault. Their narrow minded dogmatic view of their political ideal (a sort of conform to the treaty/no renegotiation) harboured its inflexibility. Correct me if I am wrong, but Cameron's immigration proposal was that EU workers had to reside and work for at least 3 years to claim benefits? I think that's quite a fair deal considering the strain on our 1946 public health service is bad enough with an ageing population and cuts. But no, the mentality of the EU was that there was no room for any credible renegotiation (and there would not have been had we remained!!!). The bureaucrats at the EU drove the "racist" to make a choice; whether his views on immigration are true or false - it doesn't matter. He/she has PERCEIVED to have been failed by an establishment bubble that are so out of touch with the ordinary person's concern - nor do they wish to engage and listen. Mark Rutte (Dutch PM) has said now is the time for reform with the EU. I certainly hope it reforms to save itself. We may have taken one for the team here. Our exit will send a clear message and I have no doubt those in Greece or Spain would feel the same. So before we (I've not seen anyone on here, more social media) blames the uneducated white-old racists for us voting leave, let us realise why he/she has done that. I voted Leave, but immigration was not my primary concern. For millions it was. EDIT: even if I voted remain, I would have still written this post. For the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Well on the bright side it helped us get rid of Cameron... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Whilst I will always be grateful that democracy has the final word... I can help that Britain has been severely let down by poor journalism and social media. Immigration had been made out to be the end of life as we know it here. The British public is scared stiff because of lies spread in newspapers and social media. We should have stayed in for far better security of our future. Instead we are stepping into darkness and that is seriously worrying. Finally, i can come together with you. If youll have me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 'Bazza the racist from Blackpool' That sounds like a scapegoat I could get right behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpaM Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 I'm waiting for somebody who voted out to say to me 'The agency rang me this morning and asked me to go in but I couldn't be bothered' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 It doesn't seem to occur to Mr Bridgen that this Referendum is therefore being decided by people who are not interested in the way that this country or the EU are run - moreover, people who will not have to live long with the consequences, unlike school-leavers and young parents in their 20s and 30s. Quite right. Old people should not be allowed to vote on important matters like this ... the sooner they are in their boxes the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 24 June 2016 Share Posted 24 June 2016 Are leave voters excited about paying more for petrol by the way? Just curious because we buy our oil in dollars.Turkeys. Christmas. Fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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