Dodgy Bob Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 So we have a referendum, done democratically and we have an outcome. A clear outcome. Now I read that people are marching in London, demanding that we have a 2nd referendum. How does this work then? What would happen if there WAS a 2nd referendum? And if the remain campaign won? Would the 'leavers' demand a third? What are we talking about here...best of 5? The public have voted, the decision is made. It might be the wrong one, or the right one. There might be winners and losers. But for fooks sake...stop moaning, stop whingeing, stop campaigning and GET ON WITH IT. I think there's a reasonable argument for interpreting such a close result as 'undecided'. We can't really say "the nation thinks we should leave the EU" when almost half doesn't. There are factors like glastonbury, the EURO's, the timing of the campaigns coinciding with when the whole student population was preparing for and taking exams so was unable to properly campaign themselves that could have artificially swayed the vote by a few percent. I'm surprised that we would theoretically consider a 50.01% vote in favour of something as statistically and democratically sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy Bob Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Hello, Bob. 1'600 people participating in a poll are sadly not representative of 33.5 million voters in total. No matter how you're trying to put a spin on it. Polls are a temporary display, a one-day sample so to speak. All the answers you need are contained within the link I provided. If you have an issue with the field of statistics, I don't really know what to suggest. You could email the Royal Statistical Society perhaps, let them know they've got everything wrong. <I've added the smiley face to show I'm not trying to be an arsehole with the above. I too used to think that sample sizes in polls were too small, but the statistics seems pretty convincing to me. They do accept that there is a small possibility of errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 In a sea of uncertainly one thing that is for sure is that we'll never see another reaction to an election/plebiscite like this again. It's the made the Scottish Nationalists response in 2014 look dignified. Not party political or a right/left issue either, I've had Conservative remainers on my timeline say we should take away all benefits and children off people on council estates who don't have a job, flood the coastal towns with migrants before we leave and one last night even said we should "blow up the NHS" (not sure how that works?) to punish the working class for their vote so they can't afford to be treated if they are ill. On the Labour side I've seen that old people should be killed off at 70, votes for student should count double as one is for the future and that people should be banned for going on holiday in Europe as a punishment. Fair play to the guys on here who took it with grace, special mention for purpleronnie, he was probably the most passionate supporter on here of the EU. In a way, the reactions of the pro-EU voting community in the hours and days following the results are so bitter and salty, they remind me a lot of what Swiss voters had to go through who were in favour of minimizing the influx of foreign (skilled) labour from the EU in early 2014. It's funny how quickly so-called "liberals" or "the open-minded" can be calling other people on the left of the spectrum "racist" and whatnot. It still rings in my ears. Truly disappointed reactionary rubbish. I was involved in some pretty hefty arguments with a Canadian academic with no Swiss citizenship living in one of the most beautiful and safe countries in the world. It left me a bit devastated. All the answers you need are contained within the link I provided. If you have an issue with the field of statistics, I don't really know what to suggest. You could email the Royal Statistical Society perhaps, let them know they've got everything wrong. Stats and polls only serve the ones using them in their favour. "Never trust a stat you haven't tinkered with yourself". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu?recruiter=561366203&utm_campaign=signature_receipt_twitter_dialog&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition everybody sign please please please.. Haha get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 I'd be interested to know where the other roughly 13 million eligible voters were on Thursday and what their demographics are. Just to find out whether their vote or inclination would've had a major impact on the outcome or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu?recruiter=561366203&utm_campaign=signature_receipt_twitter_dialog&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition everybody sign please please please.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Proof democracy is a dangerous tool when it's turned loose on 30m people ! Winner took all ....but it wasn't democracy It seems to many people it was a multiple choice question where the answers were not backed with any rational information They have just stated immigration numbers will not come down post Brexit and the money saved from the EU actually isn't saved at all ! People have been hoodwinked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Proof democracy is a dangerous tool when it's turned loose on 30m people ! Winner took all ....but it wasn't democracy It seems to many people it was a multiple choice question where the answers were not backed with any rational information They have just stated immigration numbers will not come down post Brexit and the money saved from the EU actually isn't saved at all ! People have been hoodwinked Weren't you for leave a couple of days ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Proof democracy is a dangerous tool when it's turned loose on 30m people ! Winner took all ....but it wasn't democracy It seems to many people it was a multiple choice question where the answers were not backed with any rational information They have just stated immigration numbers will not come down post Brexit and the money saved from the EU actually isn't saved at all ! People have been hoodwinked Well neither of those things had any influence on the way I voted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 I really think it is time where the remain camp can open their own thread now and whinge to their hearts content about why all those awful uneducated knuckle dragging morons were eligible for a vote and have completely and deliberately fcuked up this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 So, voting rights should only apply to the ones allegedly smart enough to understand democracy? Imagine what that meant - a rule by the "smart" and "rich"! Smacks of desperation. I think someone hasn't understood the term "democracy" yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 It wasn't a vote of confidence in our politicians though was it johnny. It was a vote over whether or not you wanted to stay in the EU. There will still be politicians. If anything you have given the politicians you don't trust more power, not less. It was a vote against ALL of Europe's politicians they moved ahead with the aim of a untied states of Europe without the consent of the people..when you do that you reap the whirlwind... this was the fundamental flaw ..a lesson to all the world to learn from and heed.. What happened to sticky ? ... did he break free ? ... no it got stuck.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 So you take the general election last year to vote for politicians that will serve the people; Thursday wasn't a vote for whether you wanted Cameron or Johnson as PM or what sort of tory party you want, or even whether you want the socialist or blairite wing of the labour party leading them. It was a vote for whether you wanted to remain in the EU. Anyone voting on the pretext of the former wasted their voice. I'm not really the one to be asking this to..i have voted all my life and never got the candidate I wanted to win...thursday is the first time I have ever been on the winning side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Did anyone see that interview with Boris where he couldn't/didn't name a single thing we export apart from chocolate cake Future leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Jesus Christ This is scary ! https://youtu.be/Oq3qdX2TGps Just had a good laugh at that. Like anything is going to change for Burnley, it's too far north. God help them if Burnley sign a few foreigners this Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Weren't you for leave a couple of days ago? I was until a Noel Gallagher changed my mind ! Strange but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 So, voting rights should only apply to the ones allegedly smart enough to understand democracy? Imagine what that meant - a rule by the "smart" and "rich"! Smacks of desperation. I think someone hasn't understood the term "democracy" yet. It can't be democracy if people make a judgement based on information that's now known to be lies !That's how the Nazi party initiated change in Germany I though we here in the UK had a difference moral fiber ! I can seen the positives and negatives and I'm happy to role with it But when you see the democratic process manipulated and corrupted like this , then you have to question what is the real future for this great country ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClyfzhIXEAADi4M.jpg:large charming.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClyfzhIXEAADi4M.jpg:large charming.. LOL Can she be more accurate with her description of old ? I'd say a few on here would be in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 lol Can she be more accurate with her description of old ? I'd say a few on here would be in trouble I have seen cheese sandwichs with more brains than that swamp donkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Proof democracy is a dangerous tool when it's turned loose on 30m people ! Winner took all ....but it wasn't democracy It seems to many people it was a multiple choice question where the answers were not backed with any rational information They have just stated immigration numbers will not come down post Brexit and the money saved from the EU actually isn't saved at all ! People have been hoodwinked No one hoodwinked me Paddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 It can't be democracy if people make a judgement based on information that's now known to be lies ! That's how the Nazi party initiated change in Germany I though we here in the UK had a difference moral fiber ! I can seen the positives and negatives and I'm happy to role with it But when you see the democratic process manipulated and corrupted like this , then you have to question what is the real future for this great country ! The "Remain" campaign presented nothing but the "truth"? And didn't brush anything inconvenient under the carpet? And the EU is effectively a democratic institution, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 I know it doesn't matter now, but if there was another vote tomorrow, i wonder what the outcome would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 I know it doesn't matter now, but if there was another vote tomorrow, i wonder what the outcome would be. You're right ... It doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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