Countryfox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 One positive is that at least we won't have to suffer nil poi any more. Immigration be b*lloxed ... thats your vote winner !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Seconded. No its 50/50 Both yougsters, and the winklies, should be taken out of the equation. Voting should be allowed from 26 until 50 year olds only. Simples... IF at 62 you havent changed the world, its too late, from 16-26 you dont know what you want, and priorities are around sex n drinking. Plus your dickheads, we all were at your age. Oh I know, I really do...I am 62, I tried I really did, but nobody listened, mind you Wasting ones life on sex drugs n rock n roll, was bloody marvellous fk politics!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 This.... http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-left-should-celebrate-brexit-the-uk-just-kicked-neoliberalism-in-the-nuts/ Interesting read. What is a rent-seeker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry - LCFC Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Interesting read. What is a rent-seeker? In this case it probably refers to businesses who lobby government for subsidies and other special privileges. Taxpayers and competing businesses lose out to the more politically connected firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Donut, on 24 Jun 2016 - 9:45 PM, said: You can abuse me for saying this, but i know for a fact some of the leave votes are purely "fvck foreigners" votes. Renders my considered vote either way useless. I just dont see why this was left to people to decide. You sound so unhappy.. think you would be much better off moving to North Korea ..its one man one vote there.. Kim jong un is the one man and he has the one vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Heavily soiled as well, no doubt. Easy wipe these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy Bob Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 What unadulterated trash! I feel sorry for you're gross lack of maturity, and common sense. You represent the lowest order of of any intelligence, or if you prefer, a Neanderthal outlook. The concept of a generational divide isn't something I've just made up. It has been discussed regularly by the media and is even the subject of a few books. The baby boomer generation is considered to have gained advantages from numerous different sources, not limited to: ease of buying houses, incredible house price growth, free higher education, ease of qualifying for well paid jobs, ease of getting well paid jobs, strong wage growth, the emergence of a generous welfare state, unsustainable pensions such as final salary pensions, strong equity investment growth and so on. I have personally never heard a political party saying they are going to address the generational divide, because they know they will lose many votes from older people who in most cases don't realise and aren't of a mind to accept just how privileged they've been in comparison to today's youth. There is simply no evidence that older people vote thinking about anyone but themselves and how much they personally stand to gain from any policy changes. If you've got a decent response to this then I'm all ears, but if all you're going to do is throw more laboured and quite odd insults then save yourself the bother mate, it isn't going to have any effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Immigration be b*lloxed ... thats your vote winner !!Too right, never had an immigrant problem in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyJones Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 The concept of a generational divide isn't something I've just made up. It has been discussed regularly by the media and is even the subject of a few books. The baby boomer generation is considered to have gained advantages from numerous different sources, not limited to: ease of buying houses, incredible house price growth, free higher education, ease of qualifying for well paid jobs, ease of getting well paid jobs, strong wage growth, the emergence of a generous welfare state, unsustainable pensions such as final salary pensions, strong equity investment growth and so on. I have personally never heard a political party saying they are going to address the generational divide, because they know they will lose many votes from older people who in most cases don't realise and aren't of a mind to accept just how privileged they've been in comparison to today's youth. There is simply no evidence that older people vote thinking about anyone but themselves and how much they personally stand to gain from any policy changes. If you've got a decent response to this then I'm all ears, but if all you're going to do is throw more laboured and quite odd insults then save yourself the bother mate, it isn't going to have any effect. Pretty damning on people my age with your global comments. Yes I do feel quite privileged, but five years at night school in the 1970's to pass my bank exams and 47 years working without a days sick leave, I think I have worked for my final salary pension. I was brought up that you worked for the things you wanted and nothing was handed on a plate. Sure everybody tries to get what's best for them, but it seems to me that many 20-30 year olds are not prepared to work day in day out to achieve success. I voted out for my grandchildren's future, which would be dire under the systematic destruction of our countries customs and culture by the Brussels / Berlin master plan. I am sure you will shoot me down with another ageist diatribe, but make no mistake my generation did work and contribute to the success of this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 The concept of a generational divide isn't something I've just made up. It has been discussed regularly by the media and is even the subject of a few books. The baby boomer generation is considered to have gained advantages from numerous different sources, not limited to: ease of buying houses, incredible house price growth, free higher education, ease of qualifying for well paid jobs, ease of getting well paid jobs, strong wage growth, the emergence of a generous welfare state, unsustainable pensions such as final salary pensions, strong equity investment growth and so on. I have personally never heard a political party saying they are going to address the generational divide, because they know they will lose many votes from older people who in most cases don't realise and aren't of a mind to accept just how privileged they've been in comparison to today's youth. There is simply no evidence that older people vote thinking about anyone but themselves and how much they personally stand to gain from any policy changes. If you've got a decent response to this then I'm all ears, but if all you're going to do is throw more laboured and quite odd insults then save yourself the bother mate, it isn't going to have any effect. look on the bright side mate, when you're an older fooker it will be you're turn to shaft the yoof... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/746728892279431168 What a bellend... the real face of remain https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/746653512633823232 he is used to ignoring the people.. I voted remain and he doesn't represent my views or that of 15 of the 16m who also voted remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Boos Up Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 It is such an irony watching anarchists marching through London demanding to stay in a superstate ran by un elected bureaucrats... And leftist marxists worried and complaining and demanding we stay in a free trade EU and about brexit upsetting world markets and the level of the pound. 10's of thousands are marching outside Westminster right now! Oh; that's the pride march. I'm not allowed to say gay pride as in may offend the lesbian, bisexual and transgender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 I voted remain and he doesn't represent my views or that of 15 of the 16m who also voted remain. Quite. No more than these charmers represents the 17m from Leave... Anyway, the below nails it for me. I'd be feeling much more secure in the result if Leave had put a coherent and practical plan to the electorate - heck, I *may* even have been tempted to put my cross next to them. The fact is there hasn't been any kind of semblance of a plan, which Remain should have taken them to task on more, and that's left people rightly very concerned about their future. Never has a revolution in Britain’s position in the world been advocated with such carelessness. The Leave campaign has no plan. And that is not just because there was a shamefully under-explored division between the bulk of Brexit voters who wanted the strong welfare state and solid communities of their youth and the leaders of the campaign who wanted Britain to become an offshore tax haven. Vote Leave did not know how to resolve difficulties with Scotland, Ireland, the refugee camp at Calais, and a thousand other problems, and did not want to know either. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Quite. No more than these charmers represents the 17m from Leave... Anyway, the below nails it for me. I'd be feeling much more secure in the result if Leave had put a coherent and practical plan to the electorate - heck, I *may* even have been tempted to put my cross next to them. The fact is there hasn't been any kind of semblance of a plan, which Remain should have taken them to task on more, and that's left people rightly very concerned about their future. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other I'm still waiting to hear news of osborne's punishment budget.. WW3 didn't happen yet either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 I'm still waiting to hear news of osborne's punishment budget.. WW3 didn't happen yet either... I'm still waiting to hear news of Osbourne. He seems to have slipped away quietly into the night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Boos Up Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Lets face what really happened. The referendum was won on immigration. Several general elections came and went where immigration was an increasing concern. Not asylum or the movement of commonwealth workers but the free and easy access of EU workers on a massive scale that grew from 9 countries to 28 with Ukraine and Turkey on the horizon. Most migrant workers seemed to chose the British Isles before any other European country. No party or politician ever directly confronted or tackled this issue. Perhaps because it was always going to happen or they deflected the issue whilst ensuring their own pockets were lined first. Then Cameron promised a referendum which got him elected and low and behold middle England voted in numbers. The end. Or is the beginning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Quite. No more than these charmers represents the 17m from Leave... Anyway, the below nails it for me. I'd be feeling much more secure in the result if Leave had put a coherent and practical plan to the electorate - heck, I *may* even have been tempted to put my cross next to them. The fact is there hasn't been any kind of semblance of a plan, which Remain should have taken them to task on more, and that's left people rightly very concerned about their future. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Plus one for the quote, not for the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Pretty damning on people my age with your global comments. Yes I do feel quite privileged, but five years at night school in the 1970's to pass my bank exams and 47 years working without a days sick leave, I think I have worked for my final salary pension. I was brought up that you worked for the things you wanted and nothing was handed on a plate. Sure everybody tries to get what's best for them, but it seems to me that many 20-30 year olds are not prepared to work day in day out to achieve success. I voted out for my grandchildren's future, which would be dire under the systematic destruction of our countries customs and culture by the Brussels / Berlin master plan. I am sure you will shoot me down with another ageist diatribe, but make no mistake my generation did work and contribute to the success of this country. I agree, Jobs weren't easy to come by when I left school it took me 6 months to find a job where I had to spend a year in a warehouse before I could apply for an apprenticeship and there was no financial support like there is now, we worked longer hours, 46 which included Saturday mornings than is normal now. I think the fact that when my parents divorced when I was 6 years old my brother and sister along with me were shuffled off to homes 100 miles away because there was again no financial support like there is now and I was one of the lucky ones who managed to avoid being physically or sexually abused like some of the 'inmates' an appropriate description because it was more akin to a borstal than a home. Plus my elder brother had to serve 2 years enforced conscription which was hardly a Butlins Holiday camp. Just a few examples that not everything was all smelling of roses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Lets face what really happened. The referendum was won on immigration. Several general elections came and went where immigration was an increasing concern. Not asylum or the movement of commonwealth workers but the free and easy access of EU workers on a massive scale that grew from 9 countries to 28 with Ukraine and Turkey on the horizon. Most migrant workers seemed to chose the British Isles before any other European country. No party or politician ever directly confronted or tackled this issue. Perhaps because it was always going to happen or they deflected the issue whilst ensuring their own pockets were lined first. Then Cameron promised a referendum which got him elected and low and behold middle England voted in numbers. The end. Or is the beginning? And yet the numbers show that still over half the foreign nationals in the UK are from outside the EU, and of the European population a great number of them come from the 'older' EU nations like Germany and Ireland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom So why should the government be doing something only about EU migration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 I'm still waiting to hear news of Osbourne. He seems to have slipped away quietly into the night... Like kaiser soze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Lets face what really happened. The referendum was won on immigration. Several general elections came and went where immigration was an increasing concern. Not asylum or the movement of commonwealth workers but the free and easy access of EU workers on a massive scale that grew from 9 countries to 28 with Ukraine and Turkey on the horizon. Most migrant workers seemed to chose the British Isles before any other European country. No party or politician ever directly confronted or tackled this issue. Perhaps because it was always going to happen or they deflected the issue whilst ensuring their own pockets were lined first. Then Cameron promised a referendum which got him elected and low and behold middle England voted in numbers. The end. Or is the beginning? No.. sorry.. that was one of the symptoms .. the seeds for this started when we joined the common market 40 years ago.. the rulers set on a course without the consent of the people ..it was always going to come to this..they concealed the destination they wanted to take the countries of Europe and the people could see and feel the effects of this deceit .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Boos Up Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 And yet the numbers show that still over half the foreign nationals in the UK are from outside the EU, and of the European population a great number of them come from the 'older' EU nations like Germany and Ireland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom So why should the government be doing something only about EU migration? Dunno mate, but I'm sure the out vote was based on EU migration. The fact that you included a Wikipedia link on the population of the UK shows that you could believe any statistic that that that is thrown at you. Those figures are wrong and we are being lied to and manipulated by what constitutes an official immigrant on a document that is in it's own words was outdated in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Jobs weren't easy to come by when I left school it took me 6 months to find a job where I had to spend a year in a warehouse before I could apply for an apprenticeship and there was no financial support like there is now, we worked longer hours, 46 which included Saturday mornings than is normal now. I think the fact that when my parents divorced when I was 6 years old my brother and sister along with me were shuffled off to homes 100 miles away because there was again no financial support like there is now and I was one of the lucky ones who managed to avoid being physically or sexually abused like some of the 'inmates' an appropriate description because it was more akin to a borstal than a home. Plus my elder brother had to serve 2 years enforced conscription which was hardly a Butlins Holiday camp. Just a few examples that not everything was all smelling of roses. the young uns today thas doesn't know thas born... i was brought up in shoe box on side of tut road.. and we got evicted from that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Dunno mate, but I'm sure the out vote was based on EU migration. The fact that you included a Wikipedia link on the population of the UK shows that you could believe any statistic that that that is thrown at you. Those figures are wrong and we are being lied to and manipulated by what constitutes an official immigrant on a document that is in it's own words was outdated in 2014. No, I believe a statistic that comes from UN department of economic and social affairs, although I concede there could be some errors. Why is it wrong, and if so where can I find the real statistics? Who is manipulating us and why are they doing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Boos Up Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 No.. sorry.. that was one of the symptoms .. the seeds for this started when we joined the common market 40 years ago.. the rulers set on a course without the consent of the people ..it was always going to come to this..they concealed the destination they wanted to take the countries of Europe and the people could see and feel the effects of this deceit .. It did state that an EEC common market "of nine countries grew to twenty eight" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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