GaelicFox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Taken from something I've seen floating round Facebook: Interesting assessment, and I really wouldn't put it beyond Cameron to fire one last shot across the bows to destroy the schemes of those who committed mutiny (to carry on the nautical references). I posted the exact same earlier yesterday The poison chalis of enacting article 50 ! Boris won the lottery and realised touching the ticket kills him And I can see Cameron back at some stage ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Fair to say the result would be different if the voters knew ... Dave not liking the decision would bottle it. Farage would make stupid promises after the result, of what he'll do....although doesn't actually have a role/job Farage would admit that the 350m going to the NHS was a lie. No credible leader lined up for the Tories. Corbyn on the edge The EU are now promising to change. A bit different to the the vote swing arrogant comments of - if you go you won't come back and you will get no more allowances- take it or leave it basically Whilst we live in a different era, we've had 800ish years of parliament without 'help' Not me Bob. I would still want to be out of that fookin bureaucratic mess that is the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Honestly lads Turn on babestation and give this a rest Some of yea are really turning into anal twats Lulu lush !!!!! Never !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy Bob Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 These posts are ****ong stupid. It's been 2 days. It has been two days and nobody is expecting much to have happened already but you can be sure the politicians have been thinking through the permutations in great detail for weeks and trying get themselves in the best position. Cameron seems to have played a blinder by leaving the entire process of leaving to the next leader. We'll see who really wanted Brexit when none of the brexiters come forward to take on the leadership. The more I think about this, the more i'm convinced that nobody in the tory party is going to actually hit the eject button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 What a sorry, hypocritcal, advert for elderly "intellect". For such a smug, intellectually superior champion of political tolerance I actually wonder if he's ever read a dictionary. Because he's to "Liberal" and "Democrat" what Hitler was to "kindness" and "tolerance". Liberal = Favouring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. Democrat = advocate of democracy which equates to "Government by the people exercised either directly or through elected representatives." and "The common people considered as a primary source of political power." Quite how he can bear to wear the badge escapes me. The bloke's beneath contempt. He referred to it as a plebiscite because it is - the definition of plebiscite, in the post two above the one you quoted, is a vote by the general public on a major decision. This definitely qualifies as such. So, between him and you, who didn't actually read the dictionary and instead jumped to conclusions based on a small section of the word used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Honestly lads Turn on babestation and give this a rest Some of yea are really turning into anal twats any nice anal twats on babe station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 He referred to it as a plebiscite because it is - the definition of plebiscite, in the post two above the one you quoted, is a vote by the general public on a major decision. This definitely qualifies as such. So, between him and you, who didn't actually read the dictionary and instead jumped to conclusions based on a small section of the word used? He didn't read a post properly and then attempted to belittle the poster or the subject of the post? This seems to becoming a recurring theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Cameron's made a lot of mistakes lately and one of them has been his apparent irresponsibility in making plans for the vote going against "Remaining" despite his supposed willingness to accept the result of the referendum that he called. My oldest son made a point about that when he said that if he had to make the most important decision ever in relation to his own company, he'd never have a staff vote on the subject. Yes, he may consult those staff members with most knowledge of the problem or problems but, in the end, he'd accept responsibility for making the decision himself. For reasons already touched on, Cameron didn't do that. He instigated the referendum and now seems to have largely washed his hands of the consequences. It cries out for visionary leadership of a kind that reflects the views of the Brexit group but also the millions who wanted to remain because that vote is significant too and it really is important to find some balance in what comes next. For me the EU is all-but fatally flawed and needs really rapid reform that I don't think will come about. I don't trust them any more than the politicians who've steered us into this situation since we first embarked on the folly of EU membership. I really hope now that a genuinely honest and visionary leader comes forward to lead us into a potentially example-setting adventure of independence - but an independence that represents a commitment, wherever possible to the welfare of what, are or certainly ought to be, our European friends. But we should be courting new friends at the same time and reflecting a worldwide outlook based on sound principles, policies which defend the fairness and freedoms of our culture and the welfare and ambitions of all our people. We shouldn't be afraid of what we stand for, we shouldn't be bowing our heads in fear of the unknown but should turn our example into a template for success in what is an increasingly troubled and dangerous world. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 He referred to it as a plebiscite because it is - the definition of plebiscite, in the post two above the one you quoted, is a vote by the general public on a major decision. This definitely qualifies as such. So, between him and you, who didn't actually read the dictionary and instead jumped to conclusions based on a small section of the word used? He didn't read a post properly and then attempted to belittle the poster or the subject of the post? This seems to becoming a recurring theme. From what I gather, Thrac was simply poking fun at Cable for being a "Liberal Democrat" and that his stance on the subject would be (theoretically) contradict his own party politics and/or political views by default, namely being "Liberal" and a "Democrat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 From what I gather, Thrac was simply poking fun at Cable for being a "Liberal Democrat" and that his stance on the subject would be (theoretically) contradict his own party politics and/or political views by default, namely being "Liberal" and a "Democrat". Except not opening up such a major decision to the electorate doesn't go against the principles of being a liberal democrat - for one direct democracy is not the only type of democracy; indeed it's one we use sparingly: most of the time we use representative democracy - which wouldn't include a referendum. As for liberal, assuming we're using it as a synonym for progressive as in the definition Thraician gave, I think Clement Attlee conclusively proved it possible to be progressive and not support referendums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Except not opening up such a major decision to the electorate doesn't go against the principles of being a liberal democrat - for one direct democracy is not the only type of democracy; indeed it's one we use sparingly: most of the time we use representative democracy - which wouldn't include a referendum. As for liberal, assuming we're using it as a synonym for progressive as in the definition Thraician gave, I think Clement Attlee conclusively proved it possible to be progressive and not support referendums. User Actions Follow ((LibertarianRebel))@A_Liberty_Rebel Amazing the number of ‘liberals’/leftists who claim to speak for the oppressed but heap abuse on them when they dare to speak for themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 User Actions Follow ((LibertarianRebel))@A_Liberty_Rebel Amazing the number of ‘liberals’/leftists who claim to speak for the oppressed but heap abuse on them when they dare to speak for themselves Your point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LCFC_World Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Didn't Farage demand a second referendum in the result of a narrow remain win? The only difference is that he had the cheek to ask before the event. I agree what's done is done, but let's not act like if the shoe was on the other foot, some wouldn't be acting the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Except not opening up such a major decision to the electorate doesn't go against the principles of being a liberal democrat - for one direct democracy is not the only type of democracy; indeed it's one we use sparingly: most of the time we use representative democracy - which wouldn't include a referendum. As for liberal, assuming we're using it as a synonym for progressive as in the definition Thraician gave, I think Clement Attlee conclusively proved it possible to be progressive and not support referendums. I'd say Thrac worded it a bit badly - the notion being that a "Liberal Democrat" would have to be responding positively to the electoral result by nature, because as a "Liberal", he should be open for new ideas or movements and as a "Democrat", he should hold the idea of democracy up high and accept a democratic decision. I don't think Thrac was arguing with the plebiscite part per se. However, how did Vince Cable get elected in the first place to get where he is now? And to twist the somewhat reactionary logic from the "Remain" camp in another context: Should (former) MPs like Vince Cable be allowed to stay in a legislative position at 70+ years old? At what point/age do we question the sanity of the people we elect to represent the people? Should there be a threshold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/732562392131997697 So the leave campaign asked for a 2nd referendum. Thanks for confirming that. Your point being? When has he ever actually made a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apple987 Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 It's really bugging me how normal everyday people keep going on about how worried they are of a recession because of this. I know it's bad, and there is effects from it. But is it really that bad? Are we going to become like a third world country? When it happened last time it literally made no impact on my life or people I knew lives. Its basically horrendous for the establishment and for normal everyday people there really is minimal impact on ure life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LCFC_World Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 So the leave campaign asked for a 2nd referendum. Thanks for confirming that. They didn't ask for a 2nd referendum..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Cameron's made a lot of mistakes lately and one of them has been his apparent irresponsibility in making plans for the vote going against "Remaining" despite his supposed willingness to accept the result of the referendum that he called. My oldest son made a point about that when he said that if he had to make the most important decision ever in relation to his own company, he'd never have a staff vote on the subject. Yes, he may consult those staff members with most knowledge of the problem or problems but, in the end, he'd accept responsibility for making the decision himself. For reasons already touched on, Cameron didn't do that. He instigated the referendum and now seems to have largely washed his hands of the consequences. It cries out for visionary leadership of a kind that reflects the views of the Brexit group but also the millions who wanted to remain because that vote is significant too and it really is important to find some balance in what comes next. For me the EU is all-but fatally flawed and needs really rapid reform that I don't think will come about. I don't trust them any more than the politicians who've steered us into this situation since we first embarked on the folly of EU membership. I really hope now that a genuinely honest and visionary leader comes forward to lead us into a potentially example-setting adventure of independence - but an independence that represents a commitment, wherever possible to the welfare of what, are or certainly ought to be, our European friends. But we should be courting new friends at the same time and reflecting a worldwide outlook based on sound principles, policies which defend the fairness and freedoms of our culture and the welfare and ambitions of all our people. We shouldn't be afraid of what we stand for, we shouldn't be bowing our heads in fear of the unknown but should turn our example into a template for success in what is an increasingly troubled and dangerous world. . Have to agree Thrac about Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 They didn't ask for a 2nd referendum..? So why did you post a tweet where Cameron responded to the suggestion? Or does he make a habit of responding to things that never happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 It's really bugging me how normal everyday people keep going on about how worried they are of a recession because of this. I know it's bad, and there is effects from it. But is it really that bad? Are we going to become like a third world country? When it happened last time it literally made no impact on my life or people I knew lives. Its basically horrendous for the establishment and for normal everyday people there really is minimal impact on ure life I hope you're right. Sincerely I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Summary of the last page or two: Old people justifying their leave vote by complaining about how bad they had back in the day when we weren't in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apple987 Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 People are literally brainwashed by this EU. Its madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apple987 Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 In my opinion it's best the EU comes to an end soon. In about 25 years time I can imagine no countries having there own identity at all. There will just be nationals of all countries all over the place but 10 fold what it's like now. Europe would slowly become just one big country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 Your point being? ask the twitter poster.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 25 June 2016 Share Posted 25 June 2016 So the leave campaign asked for a 2nd referendum. Thanks for confirming that. When has he ever actually made a point? like you just have you mean? what you don't like is the points i make you don't agree with or ignore..remainers seem to be like that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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