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There is a fair bit of subconscious bias due the indoctrination of the PC agenda... I will give you one clear example ..on radio 4 the day MP. jo cox was murdered the news reporter couldn't wait to announce the perpetrator "was a middle aged white man" .. emphasizing the word white.. why his ethnicity was relevant I don't know..I doubt it would of been said if it had been a chinese or red indian... a bit of reverse negative racism at work by the Liberal PC BBC....but nobody seems to care about caucasian english men... Why in Leicester is ok to have a huge sign on a building saying asian drop in center... nobody would dare to put a sign saying caucasian drop in centre there would be hell to pay..

Well it's better then being called Asian!!!
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Standard & Poor's has now cut the EU's credit rating following the Brexit campaign. lol

“After the decision by the UK electorate to leave the EU … we have reassessed our opinion of cohesion within the EU, which we now consider to be a neutral rather than positive rating factor.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/30/eus-credit-rating-downgraded-after-uks-vote-to-leave

 

At least they're fair - following equal measures against the UK.

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It's the summer of 2019, three years after British voters stunned the world by voting to leave the European Union. The U.K. has regained its economic and financial footing, as well as its national confidence. A smaller and more unified European Union now functions in a more coherent fashion.

But the road has been bumpy and, as a result, the global economy came close to recession, financial instability and more isolationist policies. Meanwhile, the global standing and influence of both the EU and the U.K. are much reduced.

In the months after the referendum, the U.K suffered a series of political traumas. All attempts to bypass the referendum's verdict failed. The two major parties, the Conservatives and Labour, went through messy leadership contests, but still received a major rebuke from voters in the general election that followed. A new "national coalition" somehow managed to come together and negotiated a new Association Agreement with the EU that maintained most free trade of goods and services.

Even though the weaker pound brought a sharp increase in tourists,Britain's economy took a hit. Weaker business investment and subdued consumption tipped the country into recession, despite an interest rate cut by the Bank of England. The financial sector was damaged the most, shedding workers in response to earnings pressures caused by a lower and flatter yield curve, the deterioration in credit quality and the transfer of company operations and employees out of London, though this flight was less severe than some had predicted.

The EU experienced its own spasms. Emboldened anti-establishment movements had hoped that the victory of the Brexit camp in the referendum would translate into a generalized bounce in popularity with voters. Instead, they received only selective backing as citizens witnessed the buyers' remorse of their peers across the Channel. As a result, very few countries followed the U.K. out of the EU, and the biggest ones stayed.

With the end of the recurrent skirmishes and arguments with the U.K. over whether the EU should be much more than a free trade zone, Germany and France led a reinvigorated effort toward the "ever closer" union envisaged by the EU's founders. The regional economic architecture was strengthened, allowing Europe to finally have a realistic hope for a better sustained economic performance.

The referendum sparked three years of intense internal reflection in almost every European nation. Both the U.K. and EU stepped back from some of their traditional global roles. And with the U.S. hesitant to take on additional international responsibilities, the vacuum was filled in a haphazard manner by many other countries, further fragmenting the global system and accelerating its march to what Ian Bremmer has labeled the G-Zero world.

The rest of the global economy and financial markets also were affected. As hard as they tried, they could not fully avoid negative spillover from the instability in Europe. Financial markets went through a period of volatile recalibration, which contributed to the headwinds for global growth. It was only thanks to more enlightened political leadership in the U.S. and systemically important emerging countries -- triggered by a long-delayed economic "Sputnik Moment" -- that the world economy as a whole was able to avoid recession.

We are still living in messy 2016, however, and this scenario for 2019 is but one of the two major possibilities for the global economy as it gets nearer to the consequential T junction in the world economy's path that I detailed in "The Only Game in Town." The other outcome, which is equally probable, would be even worse political dysfunction, resulting in a global recession, intense financial instability, greater isolationist policies and worsening inequality of income, wealth and opportunity.

In a funny sort of way, the U.K. and the EU are leading indicators of how the world economy will fare as the current path comes to an end, and as more improbables and unthinkables become realities. Let's hope they are up to the challenge.

A lot is at stake.

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There is a fair bit of subconscious bias due the indoctrination of the PC agenda... I will give you one clear example ..on radio 4 the day MP. jo cox was murdered the news reporter couldn't wait to announce the perpetrator "was a middle aged white man" .. emphasizing the word white.. why his ethnicity was relevant I don't know..I doubt it would of been said if it had been a chinese or red indian... a bit of reverse negative racism at work by the Liberal PC BBC....but nobody seems to care about caucasian english men... Why in Leicester is ok to have a huge sign on a building saying asian drop in center... nobody would dare to put a sign saying caucasian drop in centre there would be hell to pay..

Heaven forbid they should give an accurate description of the suspect.

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yeah.. imagine the uproar if they had said it was an asian man or african man...but then again we know that wouldn't happen..

 

What? How were the Muslim grooming gangs described?

 

"Asian" and "Muslim".

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And there's absolutely no way Turkey are joining the EU, even if they did somehow make all the selection criteria Cyprus and Greece would certainly veto their entry and I feel a few others may do so as well. If the EU somehow snuck them in through the back door then it's probable Cyprus would pull out and it'd create even more problems for them.

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What? How were the Muslim grooming gangs described?

"Asian" and "Muslim".

It's not the religion of these people that he's questioning (I believe).

It's the fact, he was a 'middle aged white man'.

Terrorists aren't ever described as middle aged brown men are they?

Surely the accurate consistent description should have been middle aged Christian man or middle aged atheist.

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And there's absolutely no way Turkey are joining the EU, even if they did somehow make all the selection criteria Cyprus and Greece would certainly veto their entry and I feel a few others may do so as well. If the EU somehow snuck them in through the back door then it's probable Cyprus would pull out and it'd create even more problems for them.

Yeah it's not like the Cypriot or Greek governments would ever bend over for the EU, against the will of their people is it?

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What? How were the Muslim grooming gangs described?

 

"Asian" and "Muslim".

 that  became clear only later during the police investigation...  the bbc announced the chap was white even before a police press conference had taken place....spot the difference?  and the syrian gang attack on a 14 yearold girl in newcastle was  suppressed  for THREE weeks by the bbc  before they finally reported it..after public pressure.

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I see the the EU trade commissioner has said there will be no negotiations with the UK  before article 50 has been invoked ..even if it damages the trade and economies of the remaining members of the EU.... That sums up the reason we did right to leave ..they would rather damage the people of europe than compromise their precious regulations ..madness.. shows where this corrupt organizations priorities lay..

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There is a fair bit of subconscious bias due the indoctrination of the PC agenda... I will give you one clear example ..on radio 4 the day MP. jo cox was murdered the news reporter couldn't wait to announce the perpetrator  "was a middle aged white man" .. emphasizing  the word white.. why his ethnicity was relevant I don't know..I doubt it would of been said if it had been a chinese or red indian... a bit of reverse negative racism at work by the Liberal PC BBC....but nobody seems to care  about caucasian english men... Why in Leicester is ok to have a huge sign on a building saying asian drop in center... nobody would dare to put a sign saying  caucasian drop in centre there would be hell to pay..

I would suggest there is valid reasoning for using the description in the report. It's not too dissimilar to descriptions given out by police when they are looking for a person related to a crime.

I would certainly argue the point that this was a 'clear' example - it's not, it's a debatable one, but your prejudicial position makes you more inclined to believe it is a clear example.

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I would suggest there is valid reasoning for using the description in the report. It's not too dissimilar to descriptions given out by police when they are looking for a person related to a crime.

I would certainly argue the point that this was a 'clear' example - it's not, it's a debatable one, but your prejudicial position makes you more inclined to believe it is a clear example.

yeah.. but the man was already in custody ..

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 that  became clear only later during the police investigation...  the bbc announced the chap was white even before a police press conference had taken place....spot the difference?  and the syrian gang attack on a 14 yearold girl in newcastle was  suppressed  for THREE weeks by the bbc  before they finally reported it..after public pressure.

 

The Beeb (and probably Sky etc) would have gone on eyewitness descriptions before the police called a press conference. It happened in broad daylight after all.

 

The media have a right to report what they're told by the public. Had the suspect have been Asian or black, he would have been described as such - as happens all the fvcking time in the news.

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But can you not think why, given other events, it might be of use to the general public to disclose the attackers description? Especially on a radio report?

look mate.. if you are happy with the bbc coverage of current events good luck to you.. I have a different view.. like millions of others.. I might think different if I wasn't pressed ganged into paying for it....

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look mate.. if you are happy with the bbc coverage of current events good luck to you.. I have a different view.. like millions of others.. I might think different if I wasn't pressed ganged into paying for it....

So to confirm, we have established your opinion of bias shown by the BBC could be influenced by your pre-existing bias to disliking the BBC... a bias, bias conundrum if you will?

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So to confirm, we have established your opinion of bias shown by the BBC could be influenced by your pre-existing bias to disliking the BBC... a bias, bias conundrum if you will?

think you are just try to perpetuate the argument..  you can accept the official "the bbc is totally neutral at all times on all issues" if you want, I tend to stand back and think for myself..and analyze what  I see and hear not naively swallow the conventional wisdom.... but I might be totally wrong and you are right..

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It was probably reported as such to pre-empt the likely assumption that it was an Islamic terrorist attack.

I would say that is a fair assumption. Can we stop the over sensitive crap now please Johnny? It's really not helpful.

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