Matt Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 Does Morata even know what tiredness is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 (edited) i ain't buying the hype until he wins the champions league! as a person who watched the 2009-2012 barca a lot, i can tell you that they will batter this man city team anytime, anyday. long-haired messi will give man city fans PTSD. it's easier to win the really important games with the greatest player of all-time and a top 5 midfielder of all time in xavi. people drooling over KDB, just go watch prime xavi and iniesta. Edited 12 December 2017 by the fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said: I'd rather have Fergie. I just think it's funny people seem to think he's this amazing manager again when last season almost everyone on this forum was calling him a fraud. He spent what 300 million? On a squad that he's already spent about 250 million on and he's suddenly a genius again. If he was as good as he's suddenly being touted as again he'd of had man city competing last season and Chelsea wouldn't have walked it. Who have conte who funnily enough was the genius last season but isn't this season and like guardiola supposedly had last year has been found out. Fergie used to spend too. Ferdinand cost £29mill that was just after 2000. Van Persie was £20mill. Veron was £25mill and the highest transfer in England ever. If you're looking for genius then look at people like Brian Clough who took an average midlands side and made them Champions of Europe. But all managers have spent, it's just relevant to the time. Edited 12 December 2017 by Fox92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 13 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Fergie used to spend too. Ferdinand cost £29mill that was just after 2000. Van Persie was £20mill. Veron was £25mill and the highest transfer in England ever. If you're looking for genius then look at people like Brian Clough who took an average midlands side and made them Champions of Europe. But all managers have spent, it's just relevant to the time. I'm not disagreeing, but he did break the British transfer record to sign the first million pound footballer, and winning the European Cup wasn't anything like as difficult as winning the Champions' League is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Buce said: I'm not disagreeing, but he did break the British transfer record to sign the first million pound footballer, and winning the European Cup wasn't anything like as difficult as winning the Champions' League is. I know thats why I said all mangers have spent (which was he point OP was making against my post about loving Pep). But he did build Forest up though to get into that position. Clough is up there with the greatest, so is Fergie, so is Shankly building Liverpool and Paisley after him. So to go back to the original point of Pep spending I don't think it makes a difference? edit: I do also like managers who build clubs up @ARTY_FOX I take your point but Pep has made average players good and Man City are superb. 15 games winning it's mad. Edited 12 December 2017 by Fox92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 2 minutes ago, Fox92 said: I know thats why I said all mangers have spent. He did build Forest up though to get into that position. Clough is up there with the greatest, so is Fergie, so is Shankly building Liverpool and Paisley after him. So to go back to the original point of Pep spending I don't think it makes a difference. He has made average players good and Man City are superb. Given that he also took Derby to the title, he has a shout for being the greatest, imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Fox92 said: I know thats why I said all mangers have spent (which was he point OP was making against my post about loving Pep). But he did build Forest up though to get into that position. Clough is up there with the greatest, so is Fergie, so is Shankly building Liverpool and Paisley after him. So to go back to the original point of Pep spending I don't think it makes a difference. He has made average players good and Man City are superb. My point isn't pep spent and Fergie didn't. For me Fergie's better for the longevity and how many times he rebuilt one team. I agree clough is up there but he spent too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Fergie used to spend too. Ferdinand cost £29mill that was just after 2000. Van Persie was £20mill. Veron was £25mill and the highest transfer in England ever. If you're looking for genius then look at people like Brian Clough who took an average midlands side and made them Champions of Europe. But all managers have spent, it's just relevant to the time. Didn't Brian Clough break transfer records too? EDIT - itd help if I read... Edited 12 December 2017 by Miquel The Work Geordie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 @Fox92 I respect that buddy and can see why people say what they do. Just isn't for me all that's said. I'm not denying he's a good manager I just don't think he's as good as he's made out to be some times. I also agree 15 wins on the bounce is a fantastic achievement. Credit to him for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 Shankley joined Liverpool when they'd been in the 2nd division for 5 years and took them to 3 Div 1 championships, 2 FA Cups plus a European Cup win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 Stoke and Palace wins please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 McInally talking about Dyche possibly going 4th in the table and not having spent much money ( that's an interesting angle - I've not heard it mentioned before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie the Fox Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 1 hour ago, KFS said: Stoke and Palace wins please For sure, but it makes me feel sick to want Stoke to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 See Drinkwater is on bench again for chelsea, genuine question but does he actually feature down there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said: See Drinkwater is on bench again for chelsea, genuine question but does he actually feature down there? Been a bit of a sick note for Chelsea. Think he's had one full 90 mins so far. He missed the bench with feverish illness last week, which probably made him not fully match fit for today. Their fans seem to rate him over Bakayoko, although that might be the improving bench player effect seen at all clubs. Edited 12 December 2017 by brucey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 70th minute. Burnley winner incoming. Watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie the Fox Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Koke said: 70th minute. Burnley winner incoming. Watch. Doubt it they at 87th min atm Edited 12 December 2017 by Suzie the Fox LOL spoke too soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kushiro Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 That was a fine goal. Burnley 4th if they see it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 28 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said: See Drinkwater is on bench again for chelsea, genuine question but does he actually feature down there? To be fair he played very well against Liveepool and Newcastle but was ill the next game. A lot of Chelsea fans want Drinkwater to start ahead of Bakayoko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballwipe Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 I swear to god if Burnley finish fourth this season you'll get some Burnley fans and media genuinely try and compare that achievement to 2015/16. You watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 Just now, Suzie the Fox said: Doubt it they at 87th min atm ...jammy bellends just scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pSinatra Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 Burnley shithousing their way up the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie the Fox Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 1 minute ago, Koke said: ...jammy bellends just scored yeah i edited post hihih 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 That game had 1-0 Burnley written all over it. Typical! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 12 December 2017 Share Posted 12 December 2017 2 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: I swear to god if Burnley finish fourth this season you'll get some Burnley fans and media genuinely try and compare that achievement to 2015/16. You watch. Burnley ain't finishing 4th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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