Guest Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 (edited) What we were told was that we'd be able too have a free trade deal with the eu and reduce immigration and get away from the ecj and make our own laws and have fantastic deals across the globe and have our cake and eat it. I'm suggesting that some of these things will be compromised away in exchange for trade. can't wait to see what webbo and mattp make of millions more from india, australia and Japan coming over when our global deals all require greater freedom to work in the uk. Edited 1 July 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 19 minutes ago, toddybad said: What we were told was that we'd be able too have a free trade deal with the eu and reduce immigration and get away from the ecj and make our own laws and have fantastic deals across the globe and have our cake and eat it. I'm suggesting that some of these things will be compromised away in exchange for trade. can't wait to see what webbo and mattp make of millions more from india, australia and Japan coming over when our global deals all require greater freedom to work in the uk. Me and @Webbo have been saying for a while we should increase skilled migration from the commonwealth and reduce unskilled migration from Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 23 minutes ago, toddybad said: What we were told was that we'd be able too have a free trade deal with the eu and reduce immigration and get away from the ecj and make our own laws and have fantastic deals across the globe and have our cake and eat it. I'm suggesting that some of these things will be compromised away in exchange for trade. can't wait to see what webbo and mattp make of millions more from india, australia and Japan coming over when our global deals all require greater freedom to work in the uk. Why would I be against that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 It seems none of the tory bullshit of the last few years is safe anymore. Damian Green admits Tories may need to review tuition fees https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/damian-green-tories-must-modernise-to-win-over-young-voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 13 minutes ago, toddybad said: It seems none of the tory bullshit of the last few years is safe anymore. Damian Green admits Tories may need to review tuition fees https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/damian-green-tories-must-modernise-to-win-over-young-voters I hope so, I think we need to invest in education to raise living standards for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 Nasty layabout no-job scruffy uneducated socialist scum rioting again. These lowlifes are always so nasty to those they don't agree with. Corbyn tells anti-austerity demo he's 'determined to force new election' https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/jeremy-corbyn-to-speak-at-london-anti-austerity-march Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 7 hours ago, Buce said: You have misunderstood me. I was referring specifically to a particular demographic, a demographic that took little or no interest in the wider debate and voted on a single issue (in this case, immigration). You might have noted (except it doesn't suit your narrative) that I agreed with @MattP that that was true of some people on both sides of the debate. Try reading what is actually said instead of playing at being a keyboard warrior. I know I shouldn't bite but fcuk it, that's bollox and you know it. I have amended your post and made your point without the denigrating associations of stupidity, and I would probably agree there were obviously misinformed/disinterested people on both sides of the vote. Whether you like to accept it, or not, there were plenty of Brexit voters who voted on the single issue of immigration, and had no interest - or understanding - of any other issue. My own in-laws, like many of their demographic voted Leave solely based on the lie that Turkey was being fast-tracked into the EU. Your in laws must love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 9 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: Your in laws must love you. Actually, one has since died and the other is in poor health. Like a lot of elderly Brexiters, they selfishly voted for a future that they will not be part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 1 July 2017 Author Share Posted 1 July 2017 Christ, if this thread had been discussed in person of late it would be all going off! Too many antognists me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 2 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: Christ, if this thread had been discussed in person of late it would be all going off! Too many antognists me thinks. There's a reason you don't talk politics with your mates in person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 Just now, DJ Barry Hammond said: Christ, if this thread had been discussed in person of late it would be all going off! Too many antognists me thinks. It wouldn't be discussed the same way in person though, would it? The biggest drawback the internet has is that it allows sad losers to say things they wouldn't dare to say down the pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 I don't think I've said too much i wouldn't say down the pub (assuming you realise my post earlier in this page was a piss tske of what some of the right wingers on here have said before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 5 minutes ago, Buce said: It wouldn't be discussed the same way in person though, would it? The biggest drawback the internet has is that it allows sad losers to say things they wouldn't dare to say down the pub. I think my internet persona is probably less aggressive tbh, you lefty sods have softened me somewhat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: I think my internet persona is probably less aggressive tbh, you lefty sods have softened me somewhat I just knew you had a nasty streak.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 1 July 2017 Author Share Posted 1 July 2017 Just needs to be tempered down though - especially when your debating a subject where basically everyone's wrong as much as they're right. Brexit has been a disaster in terms of its effects on the wider population. I've never witnessed the country like this, where it's turned into a largely self centred, dog eat dog existence to the benefit of mostly no-one. I could get on board with the arguments to leave IF those leading the cause were showing responsibility and best interests... but it just appears like this is some sort of fantastic power game for them. But the alternative is no better. For one, going back would only esculate the problems mentioned above AND if you viewed things on the basis "would you sign up to the EU now as it is" you'd have to reasonably say "non". But what is the biggest issue for me is that all this talk from Brexit distracts massively from the issues of our own creation. The mess of a schools system, NHS and other key infrastructure (transport/energy/housing). These problems aren't going to be suddenly solved by 2+ years of wondering whether we're in, out, or shaking all about... sigh! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 25 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: Just needs to be tempered down though - especially when your debating a subject where basically everyone's wrong as much as they're right. Brexit has been a disaster in terms of its effects on the wider population. I've never witnessed the country like this, where it's turned into a largely self centred, dog eat dog existence to the benefit of mostly no-one. I could get on board with the arguments to leave IF those leading the cause were showing responsibility and best interests... but it just appears like this is some sort of fantastic power game for them. But the alternative is no better. For one, going back would only esculate the problems mentioned above AND if you viewed things on the basis "would you sign up to the EU now as it is" you'd have to reasonably say "non". But what is the biggest issue for me is that all this talk from Brexit distracts massively from the issues of our own creation. The mess of a schools system, NHS and other key infrastructure (transport/energy/housing). These problems aren't going to be suddenly solved by 2+ years of wondering whether we're in, out, or shaking all about... sigh! I think it's been like that, probably from Thatcher's reign but it's been hidden somewhat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 1 July 2017 Author Share Posted 1 July 2017 6 minutes ago, davieG said: I think it's been like that, probably from Thatcher's reign but it's been hidden somewhat. I'm not of an age to really appreciate Thatcher's Britain... I just grew up with the concequences. And true, with it so easy to see a sample range of divided opinions via somewhere as unscientific as twitter or an online forum, maybe their's a visuality thing to it? But then again... I don't recall it being like this through the late 90's / early 00's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: I think my internet persona is probably less aggressive tbh, you lefty sods have softened me somewhat I'm the opposite, far more aggressive on here. Not a good trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 Westminster voting intention: CON: 41% (-) LAB: 40% (-4) LDEM: 7% (+1) UKIP: 2% (-) GRN: 1% (+1) (via Survation / 28 - 30 Jun) Changes with 17 Jun That's with Theresa May there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: I'm the opposite, far more aggressive on here. Not a good trait. That could be down to frustration as it's difficult getting points across with the written word whilst trying to be succinct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: I think my internet persona is probably less aggressive tbh, you lefty sods have softened me somewhat I'm the same. I find myself avoiding argument and conflict on here much more than I do in real life (which is odd) There's a few nasty gits on here that I'd much rather not engage in debate with. Maybe I should just use the ignore function on them... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 2 hours ago, Buce said: Actually, one has since died and the other is in poor health. Like a lot of elderly Brexiters, they selfishly voted for a future that they will not be part of. Or they just voted for what they thought was best for the future having lived through both options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: Nasty layabout no-job scruffy uneducated socialist scum rioting again. These lowlifes are always so nasty to those they don't agree with. Corbyn tells anti-austerity demo he's 'determined to force new election' https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/jeremy-corbyn-to-speak-at-london-anti-austerity-march Well now we definitely need another election given the losers of the last one say we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I'm the same. I find myself avoiding argument and conflict on here much more than I do in real life (which is odd) There's a few nasty gits on here that I'd much rather not engage in debate with. Maybe I should just use the ignore function on them... I find formatting controversial posts like this really helps defuse potential conflicts Edited 1 July 2017 by bovril 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 1 July 2017 Share Posted 1 July 2017 Just now, MattP said: Or they just voted for what they thought was best for the future having lived through both options? That I wouldn't have had a problem with - at least they would have given it some thought. They literally voted on the strength of the millions of Turks lie, and their problem with that was that they are/were unabashed racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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