Rogstanley Posted 11 March 2018 Share Posted 11 March 2018 1 hour ago, Strokes said: How’s is your Oman visa coming along or is that on ice for now? Still weighing up my options. No rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43367511 Kinder gentle politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 Patient safety getting worse, say two-thirds of NHS doctors https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/12/patient-safety-getting-worse-say-two-thirds-of-nhs-doctors?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 Confirmed: electorate believes brexit is a mistake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43336351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 (edited) Lets have another vote then. Put it to bed I am sick of hearing about it. Edited 12 March 2018 by Foxin_mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 9 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Confirmed: electorate believes brexit is a mistake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43336351 If we are going to take the opinion of those surveyed into account this is still as crucial. Polling undertaken by Lord Ashcroftfound that while rerunning the original ballot was decidedly unpopular (51% were against, 38% in favour), there was less opposition to a vote where the choice was the deal versus leaving without one (39% were in favour, 31% opposed, though 30% were unsure). At the same time, it is not only the kind of second referendum that matters. So also does how the idea is presented to voters. When, on numerous occasions, YouGov has asked whether "there should or should not be a referendum to accept or reject" the terms of the deal that is eventually negotiated with the EU, they have on average found only 33% in favour, and 46% against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: If we are going to take the opinion of those surveyed into account this is still as crucial. Polling undertaken by Lord Ashcroftfound that while rerunning the original ballot was decidedly unpopular (51% were against, 38% in favour), there was less opposition to a vote where the choice was the deal versus leaving without one (39% were in favour, 31% opposed, though 30% were unsure). At the same time, it is not only the kind of second referendum that matters. So also does how the idea is presented to voters. When, on numerous occasions, YouGov has asked whether "there should or should not be a referendum to accept or reject" the terms of the deal that is eventually negotiated with the EU, they have on average found only 33% in favour, and 46% against. Sure I don't think there's much support for a 2nd ref (I don't support that idea either), but it ought to be instructive to the government that the electorate would now vote remain. It certainly presents a compelling argument against a hard crash brexit and in favour of a much softer approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 But its pretty pointless having a much softer approach whatever that is? As we would be in a worse position than we are now but with less power and we would be unlikely to be able to strike our own trade deals elsewhere either which makes the whole exercise utter pointless. If we are going to be softer then stay in if we are going to be hard Brexit then get the **** out, stop ****ing dithering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: But its pretty pointless having a much softer approach whatever that is? As we would be in a worse position than we are now but with less power and we would be unlikely to be able to strike our own trade deals elsewhere either which makes the whole exercise utter pointless. If we are going to be softer then stay in if we are going to be hard Brexit then get the **** out, stop ****ing dithering! If the electorate regrets brexit and wants the softest possible version then that's what they should get. It's not up to you or to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 Just now, Rogstanley said: If the electorate regrets brexit and wants the softest possible version then that's what they should get. It's not up to you or to me. But if the electorate regrets it then surely its best just not to do it!!?? To have a half arsed Brexit called Brexit that isn't Brexit but just a worsening of current conditions is utterly pointless bollocks IMO, it really is the worst of both worlds and the electorate ought to be told that in no uncertain terms so they don't get led down a really shitty path. I would say a half arsed Brexit long term will be worse for the economy than a hard Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lifted*fox Posted 12 March 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 12 March 2018 (edited) the referendum should never have been given to the people. people should not have been making such a huge decision with no prior guidance aside from that of the hugely biased and childish media. brexit came about because the government needed a scapegoat for all of their own failings. easy to blame the EU but this country is in the state it's in because of the way our governments have handled things in recent years. we should be embracing the EU and holding our own leaders to account. but no - people fell for the bullshit in the papers about immigrants taking jobs, putting strain on the NHS, etc. our own government is guilty of these failings - wake up ffs. the whole thing has been an absolute farce and shambles. the sooner it's cancelled and forgotten about the better. then we can spend our time putting pressure on our own government to do better by the people of this country. Edited 12 March 2018 by lifted*fox 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 If you look at the graph on this link https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/ the way people would vote if there was another referendum has been changing ever since the first vote. The last 2 polls Leave has been ahead. There's absolutely nothing to suggest we're all bregretting or the result would be any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 37 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: the referendum should never have been given to the people. Spot on ! ... but by some strange freak of nature they came up with the right decision ! ... how lucky is that !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 40 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: the referendum should never have been given to the people. people should not have been making such a huge decision with no prior guidance aside from that of the hugely biased and childish media. brexit came about because the government needed a scapegoat for all of their own failings. easy to blame the EU but this country is in the state it's in because of the way our governments have handled things in recent years. we should be embracing the EU and holding our own leaders to account. but no - people fell for the bullshit in the papers about immigrants taking jobs, putting strain on the NHS, etc. our own government is guilty of these failings - wake up ffs. the whole thing has been an absolute farce and shambles. the sooner it's cancelled and forgotten about the better. then we can spend our time putting pressure on our own government to do better by the people of this country. This is exactly what happened. Nobody can credibly claim otherwise. Very post modern that we do something that could f*** us over for no real reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 2 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: But if the electorate regrets it then surely its best just not to do it!!?? To have a half arsed Brexit called Brexit that isn't Brexit but just a worsening of current conditions is utterly pointless bollocks IMO, it really is the worst of both worlds and the electorate ought to be told that in no uncertain terms so they don't get led down a really shitty path. I would say a half arsed Brexit long term will be worse for the economy than a hard Brexit. The electorate regrets brexit but doesn’t want another referendum, so what can you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 3 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: But its pretty pointless having a much softer approach whatever that is? As we would be in a worse position than we are now but with less power and we would be unlikely to be able to strike our own trade deals elsewhere either which makes the whole exercise utter pointless. If we are going to be softer then stay in if we are going to be hard Brexit then get the **** out, stop ****ing dithering! Staying in the single market but having no say might be objectionable in many ways but we'd still probably be better off economically than a hard Brexit. 3 hours ago, Strokes said: If we are going to take the opinion of those surveyed into account this is still as crucial. Polling undertaken by Lord Ashcroftfound that while rerunning the original ballot was decidedly unpopular (51% were against, 38% in favour), there was less opposition to a vote where the choice was the deal versus leaving without one (39% were in favour, 31% opposed, though 30% were unsure). At the same time, it is not only the kind of second referendum that matters. So also does how the idea is presented to voters. When, on numerous occasions, YouGov has asked whether "there should or should not be a referendum to accept or reject" the terms of the deal that is eventually negotiated with the EU, they have on average found only 33% in favour, and 46% against. There'd need to be a bigger swing first imo. IF there was then a second ref would have to happen. You can't push through best if by that point it's 55/45 or more against. But we're a way off that tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kopfkino Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 (edited) If ever anyone's needed proof that Corbyn is not fit for office, see his response to the government's statement about Skripal's poisoning. It's fair to criticise the benches opposite for Russian donations (completely the wrong time) but the man appears on Russia Today ffs. Thankfully some of the MPs behind him have their heads screwed on. Edited 12 March 2018 by Kopfkino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 22 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: The electorate regrets brexit but doesn’t want another referendum, so what can you do. And this statement is based on....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Milo said: And this statement is based on....? The article from the bbc I posted earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 9 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: 12 minutes ago, Milo said: And this statement is based on....? The article from the bbc I posted earlier Really?? Didnt see the post, sorry. Blimey - (no one asked me, btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 3 hours ago, Webbo said: If you look at the graph on this link https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/ the way people would vote if there was another referendum has been changing ever since the first vote. The last 2 polls Leave has been ahead. There's absolutely nothing to suggest we're all bregretting or the result would be any different. Even in rogs article there are the same amount of leave voters switching to remain as there remain to leave. It’s people who didn’t vote in the referendum that are tipping the balance and I’m not convinced we should listen to people who cannot be arsed to go down to the polling station. Its not so much Britain regrets brexit, it’s a few people might have changed the result if they could be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beechey Posted 12 March 2018 Share Posted 12 March 2018 58 minutes ago, Buce said: What will the excuse be when we're out of the EU and the economy hasn't collapsed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 13 March 2018 Share Posted 13 March 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Webbo said: If you look at the graph on this link https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/ the way people would vote if there was another referendum has been changing ever since the first vote. The last 2 polls Leave has been ahead. There's absolutely nothing to suggest we're all bregretting or the result would be any different. Absolutely amazing isnt it that a little brexit keyboard martyr like you is delighted to ignore almost every single expert or any credible evidence about the economy and is hell bent on making himself and all of his customers poorer. for the sake of taking back control of laws he cant name, getting rid of laws that actually benefitted him but were made by nasty european beauracrats instead of the fine upstanding tossers that are the current government, for the sake of speculative trade deals with nations miles away who have put us at the back of the queue, to protect the brave fishermen of this isle who were already entitled to a fair share of the water despite the fact that he lives 150 miles from the coast and to see immigration stopped at all costs even if it cripples the NHS and other low paid industries. Youre the Daily Mail wetdream. Edited 13 March 2018 by Donut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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