Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: That’s how you won the Cold War genius. Reagan made it clear that sanctions would be lifted in Geneva if Gorbachev underwent his perestroika and glasnost reforms. It’s worrying I know how to be a economic liberal better than you do. Reagan and Thatcher won the cold war by not appeasing the Soviet Union. They stepped up the arms race so that Russia couldn't afford to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Reagan and Thatcher won the cold war by not appeasing the Soviet Union. They stepped up the arms race so that Russia couldn't afford to keep up. Yeah, and also, David Hasselhoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: Attempted murder. Teresa May hasn't attempted to murder anyone. Lets have some perspective here. Rushing in claiming you know exactly who committed the crime without any public evidence, potentially provoking a violent reaction from one of the worlds strongest military powers and you call for perspective! LMAO. Perspective is exactly what May is not demonstrating and exactly what Corbyn is. May is absolutely terrifying in this situation. I can’t stop thinking about when she went to Grenfell and hid behind an armed security unit, or the brexit “negotiations” in which she has had the piss taken out of her again and again by the EU. She makes utterly terrible decisions under pressure. This one could be the worst of them all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Sorry, attempted murder I mean do you not think the huge reaction from our ruling govt. could be due to their current very weak state? They are pathetic atm, looking foolish and inept in Brexit... isnt it a convenient way for May to demonstrate a bit of strength by making a big show of denouncing Russia? Because they are being ridiculously rash as far as i can see, its probably just to make themselves look better Is that whataboutery? What Russia has done is inexcusable and called for a response, or are you suggesting we should have ignored it. Corbyn has done what the hard left always do is blame us and make excuses for our enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Webbo said: Reagan and Thatcher won the cold war by not appeasing the Soviet Union. They stepped up the arms race so that Russia couldn't afford to keep up. hahaha you’ve literally made that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Rogstanley said: Rushing in claiming you know exactly who committed the crime without any public evidence, potentially provoking a violent reaction from one of the worlds strongest military powers and you call for perspective! LMAO. Perspective is exactly what May is not demonstrating and exactly what Corbyn is. May is absolutely terrifying in this situation. I can’t stop thinking about when she went to Grenfell and hid behind an armed security unit, or the brexit “negotiations” in which she has had the piss taken out of her again and again by the EU. She makes utterly terrible decisions under pressure. This one could be the worst of them all. More deflection? I'll ask you again, who else had a motive and could lay their hands on nerve agent? Why would anyone use nerve agent if they didn't want us to know it was them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Webbo said: Is that whataboutery? What Russia has done is inexcusable and called for a response, or are you suggesting we should have ignored it. Corbyn has done what the hard left always do is blame us and make excuses for our enemies. No. Its not whataboutery in the slightest Its not excusing what Russia has done. If they have done it. Its saying that our govts knee jerk reaction might be politically motivated Russia may or may not have done anything May's Russia response deadline bollocks seems like a rubbish supply teacher trying to show authority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Webbo said: More deflection? I'll ask you again, who else had a motive and could lay their hands on nerve agent? Why would anyone use nerve agent if they didn't want us to know it was them? How am I supposed to know the answer to that? You’re asking me to solve an international attempted murder mystery which most likely has all sorts of different players. I’m not in the CIA or MI6, I don’t know, and neither do you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: hahaha you’ve literally made that up Study a bit of history, the Left hated Reagan, called him a war monger. Mrs Thatcher allowed American Cruise Missiles to be based on Greenham Common which lead to years long protests from the left. The Americans armed the Afghans against the Soviets. Add to that socialism destroying the economies in the East and it's plain why the USSR collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Rogstanley said: How am I supposed to know the answer to that? You’re asking me to solve an international attempted murder mystery which most likely has all sorts of different players. I’m not in the CIA or MI6, I don’t know, and neither do you. I'm not going to ask for proof, just give me some possible scenarios where it could be someone other than Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 4 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: No. Its not whataboutery in the slightest Its not excusing what Russia has done. If they have done it. Its saying that our govts knee jerk reaction might be politically motivated Russia may or may not have done anything May's Russia response deadline bollocks seems like a rubbish supply teacher trying to show authority Just read back some of the stuff you've written. You're making excuses for Corbyn because he's quite rightly being criticised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katieakita Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 If this act is by the Russians it is very sloppy by their standards, they are normally quite ruthless and do exactly what they do without the collateral damage associated to this vicious crime. Some things don't seem to add up and before finding someone guilty you normally have to have a trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: Study a bit of history, the Left hated Reagan, called him a war monger. Mrs Thatcher allowed American Cruise Missiles to be based on Greenham Common which lead to years long protests from the left. The Americans armed the Afghans against the Soviets. Add to that socialism destroying the economies in the East and it's plain why the USSR collapsed. Hahaha you’ve literally just tried to remember things on the news in the 80’s I’m sorry i cant engage with this lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Webbo said: I'm not going to ask for proof, just give me some possible scenarios where it could be someone other than Russia? The nerve agent could be available on some black market and been bought by someone from literally any country in the world or someone within Russia not being directed by the government. Wasn’t the British judicial system one of the things you voted brexit to protect? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: Hahaha you’ve literally just tried to remember things on the news in the 80’s I’m sorry i cant engage with this lads Good idea mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katieakita Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 4 minutes ago, Webbo said: Study a bit of history, the Left hated Reagan, called him a war monger. Mrs Thatcher allowed American Cruise Missiles to be based on Greenham Common which lead to years long protests from the left. The Americans armed the Afghans against the Soviets. Add to that socialism destroying the economies in the East and it's plain why the USSR collapsed. And we helped train them, hindsight is such a wonderful gift and maybe we would have been better off letting Russia look after the elected government they tried to support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, Rogstanley said: The nerve agent could be available on some black market and been bought by someone from literally any country in the world or someone within Russia not being directed by the government. Wasn’t the British judicial system one of the things you voted brexit to protect? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? So Russia is guilty selling nerve agent on the black market? As for the innocent until proven guilty, are you going to russia to arrest Putin so he can stand trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 Just now, katieakita said: And we helped train them, hindsight is such a wonderful gift and maybe we would have been better off letting Russia look after the elected government they tried to support They weren't elected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salisbury Fox Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 10 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Sorry, attempted murder I mean do you not think the huge reaction from our ruling govt. could be due to their current very weak state? They are pathetic atm, looking foolish and inept in Brexit... isnt it a convenient way for May to demonstrate a bit of strength by making a big show of denouncing Russia? Because they are being ridiculously rash as far as i can see, its probably just to make themselves look better Being rash! Russia has just used nerve agent on our soil and we are expelling some diplomats in retaliation and this is rash! We let ourselves down with the handling of the Litvinenko case and so I am content that we are taking a proportionate response this time. The agent used was produced in Russia during the 80s/90s and has a very specific signature. If they cannot explain how it went missing from their stocks then this and the huge volume of circumstantial evidence at this time means we cannot let this go unanswered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: So Russia is guilty selling nerve agent on the black market? As for the innocent until proven guilty, are you going to russia to arrest Putin so he can stand trial? You keep talking about russia like it’s an individual person. Not everything that happens in a country is directed by the government. I’m done with this for the night. I feel like I’m losing brain cells. TTYL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: Just read back some of the stuff you've written. You're making excuses for Corbyn because he's quite rightly being criticised. I dont really know what you mean. Do you not think you're being a bit gung ho, or following the govts gung ho line on this? As far as i'm aware, Corbyn has just said to be careful, follow international processes, and check that we know what has happened before we act. Btw, he also said he doesnt have access to evidence Is that not sensible? The violent reaction to it seems to show to me that its more important for some people to act tough than it is to act with intelligence If it turns out Russia are guilty, Corbym hasnt said anything wrong, hasnt supported them. Honestly dont see why people are so pissed off with him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, Rogstanley said: You keep talking about russia like it’s an individual person. Not everything that happens in a country is directed by the government. I’m done with this for the night. I feel like I’m losing brain cells. TTYL 15-1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: I dont really know what you mean. Do you not think you're being a bit gung ho, or following the govts gung ho line on this? As far as i'm aware, Corbyn has just said to be careful, follow international processes, and check that we know what has happened before we act. Btw, he also said he doesnt have access to evidence Is that not sensible? The violent reaction to it seems to show to me that its more important for some people to act tough than it is to act with intelligence If it turns out Russia are guilty, Corbym hasnt said anything wrong, hasnt supported them. Honestly dont see why people are so pissed off with him If May does something it’s perfect. If Corbyn does something it’s terrible. I think those are the rules. Good luck getting any sense out of people committed to playing such ridiculous games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: I dont really know what you mean. Do you not think you're being a bit gung ho, or following the govts gung ho line on this? As far as i'm aware, Corbyn has just said to be careful, follow international processes, and check that we know what has happened before we act. Btw, he also said he doesnt have access to evidence Is that not sensible? The violent reaction to it seems to show to me that its more important for some people to act tough than it is to act with intelligence If it turns out Russia are guilty, Corbym hasnt said anything wrong, hasnt supported them. Honestly dont see why people are so pissed off with him Gung ho? We're expelling diplomants? Last week May was being criticised , people saying she won't do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 March 2018 Share Posted 14 March 2018 7 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said: Being rash! Russia has just used nerve agent on our soil and we are expelling some diplomats in retaliation and this is rash! We let ourselves down with the handling of the Litvinenko case and so I am content that we are taking a proportionate response this time. The agent used was produced in Russia during the 80s/90s and has a very specific signature. If they cannot explain how it went missing from their stocks then this and the huge volume of circumstantial evidence at this time means we cannot let this go unanswered. If they're guilty, then fine. I dont know what the appropriate response should be anyway. Dont know if what we're doing is bad or good, even if Russia are guilty I just dont understand how people in positions of responsibility can just rile the nation up to serious conflict without full disclosure of information.... Oh wait. We do it all the time. Hence Corbyns words of warning Btw, i'm not really bothered about what Corbyn said. Its of little importance atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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