Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: This pretty much sums up the Brexit debate http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexiteer-tells-james-obrien-to-stop-giving-facts/ You realise all these LBC videos are planned so they can share on social media? Both sides as well, just listen to some of the dipshit remain voters that ring up Farage and get destroyed. It works as well, huge listening ratings now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: You realise all these LBC videos are planned so they can share on social media? Both sides as well, just listen to some of the dipshit remain voters that ring up Farage and get destroyed. It works as well, huge listening ratings now. Yet, unlike Toddy, you're unable to actually find one and post it. Brexit: It's like dumping dead fish in a river from a pretend fishing boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: You realise all these LBC videos are planned so they can share on social media? Both sides as well, just listen to some of the dipshit remain voters that ring up Farage and get destroyed. It works as well, huge listening ratings now. But ultimately farage argues based on hopes. O'Brien argues based on facts and figures. It's much the same as the arguments we have here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 3 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Yet, unlike Toddy, you're unable to actually find one and post it. Brexit: It's like dumping dead fish in a river from a pretend fishing boat. Tons of them, just Google Farage LBC Remain voter. Here's one of someone ringing up to apologise for voting to stay in the EU It's a laughable radio station aimed at idiots and shouldn't be taken remotely seriously. I can't believe how gullible some people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 20 minutes ago, toddybad said: This pretty much sums up the Brexit debate http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexiteer-tells-james-obrien-to-stop-giving-facts/ 'Don't give me inconvenient facts, just have faith in your country.' Classic Brexiteer response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 14 minutes ago, MattP said: Tons of them, just Google Farage LBC Remain voter. Here's one of someone ringing up to apologise for voting to stay in the EU It's a laughable radio station aimed at idiots and shouldn't be taken remotely seriously. I can't believe how gullible some people are. I think you're beyond hoping now and are willingly deluding yourself that what's in your head is Right, and everything in the outside world that conflicts with your delusions is False. I mean, that video is clearly not what you said it was; or more worryingly, it's not what you think it is... It is just somebody ringing up and agreeing with Farage. Not as you think, "remain voters that ring up Farage and get destroyed". Brexit in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 Just now, Fox Ulike said: I think you're beyond hoping now and are willingly deluding yourself that what's in your head is Right, and everything in the outside world that conflicts with your delusions is False. I mean, that video is clearly not what you said it was; or more worryingly, it's not what you think it is... It is just somebody ringing up and agreeing with Farage. Not as you think, "remain voters that ring up Farage and get destroyed". Brexit in a nutshell. Not at all, there are many good arguments for staying in the EU, there are many good ones for leaving, we heard these arguments and Brexit won the day, on another day it might have been different. I didn't check the video - I just pointed out there were tons of these from all sides from that station. Anyone who takes LBC and it's shows seriously isn't really interested in debate though, it's echo chamber satisfaction. It's the political version of Talksport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Not at all, there are many good arguments for staying in the EU, there are many good ones for leaving, we heard these arguments and Brexit won the day, on another day it might have been different. I didn't check the video - I just pointed out there were tons of these from all sides from that station. Anyone who takes LBC and it's shows seriously isn't really interested in debate though, it's echo chamber satisfaction. It's the political version of Talksport. You think 'there are tons' of these videos. But it doesn't concern you one bit that you can't find one to support the case that you came on here and chose to make. Is delusional too strong a word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 33 minutes ago, MattP said: Tons of them, just Google Farage LBC Remain voter. Here's one of someone ringing up to apologise for voting to stay in the EU It's a laughable radio station aimed at idiots and shouldn't be taken remotely seriously. I can't believe how gullible some people are. Me neither. Some people even believed the NHS was going to get another £350 million a week after Brexit. Imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 5 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: You think 'there are tons' of these videos. But it doesn't concern you one bit that you can't find one to support the case that you came on here and chose to make. Is delusional too strong a word? There are tons of them, just have a search on Youtube like I said. 1 minute ago, Buce said: Me neither. Some people even believed the NHS was going to get another £350 million a week after Brexit. Imagine that. If you think that's bad some fell for the argument there would be 300,000 jobs lost, refugee camps in Kent and a year long recession with a 3-6% loss in growth in the immediate aftermath of the leave vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 45 minutes ago, MattP said: I can't believe how gullible some people are. Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 4 minutes ago, Buce said: Me neither. Some people even believed the NHS was going to get another £350 million a week after Brexit. Imagine that. Some people believed we wouldn’t have an economy after the vote... ...imagine that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 Must be Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 Just now, MattP said: There are tons of them, just have a search on Youtube like I said. If you think that's bad some fell for the argument there would be 300,000 jobs lost, refugee camps in Kent and a year long recession with a 3-6% loss in growth in the immediate aftermath of the leave vote. I hate to say "lol". But that literally did make me laugh (out loud). "There are tons of them. Toooons. I just... can't... find.... any.!" OK. Here we are. I searched for "Farage destroys Remain voters" as you requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Me neither. At least they got the currency nearly right. Edited 23 March 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 How many times do the the remainers have to be proven wrong before they admit its them that's delusional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 6 minutes ago, MattP said: At least they got the currency nearly right. "The immediate impact of Brexit". It says "Brexit". Not the "referendum". It's like taking ice-cream from a toddler. You're posting these things yourself! Come on Matt, I know you can do better than this! You're the Frank Sinclair of the Brexit debate this morning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: How many times do the the remainers have to be proven wrong before they admit its them that's delusional? Only once. Let us know when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 5 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Only once. Let us know when it happens. how many things in Matt's chart of predictions came true? I'll reply for you to save you time Something, something bus. Something ,something £350 billion, NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: how many things in Matt's chart of predictions came true? Hold on. I'll just jump in the delorian and travel forward a few years... "Facts? Where we're going, we don't need Facts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 7 minutes ago, Webbo said: how many things in Matt's chart of predictions came true? When did Brexit happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: "The immediate impact of Brexit". It says "Brexit". Not the "referendum". It's like taking ice-cream from a toddler. You're posting these things yourself! Come on Matt, I know you can do better than this! You're the Frank Sinclair of the Brexit debate this morning. You are hard work sometimes - It's the immediate aftermath of the vote, the clue is right there staring you in the face at the bottom with the "fiscal borrowing prediction for 2017-18" - which would be before the Article 50 process is complete even if we had triggered it on the day of the result. As you aren't too good at using google here's the article from it's production - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564 Quote Publishing Treasury analysis, he said a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower. Why has the word "immediate" become so hard to understand, given how educated Remain voters are you would think they would know it. Edited 23 March 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 8 minutes ago, MattP said: You are hard work sometimes - It's the immediate aftermath of the vote, the clue is right there staring you in the face at the bottom with the "fiscal borrowing prediction for 2017-18" - which would be before the Article 50 process is complete even if we had triggered it on the day of the result. As you aren't too good at using google here's the article from it's production - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564 A bigger clue is the title of the graph that you posted. We're ignoring that one are we? Just focusing on the bit at the very bottom, which is clearly more relevant. "Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says." Look. It's hard not to be flippant when you so blatantly cherry-pick such a minimal amount of evidence to suit your case. But my understanding is that these assessments of "shock" where made on the basis of Article 50 being triggered immediately. That didn't happen. The predictions also did not consider the impact of the transition period. Anyway, I don't know why you continually refer to the pre-vote reports as the benchmark for Brexit. They're irrelevant now. All anybody wants to know is how Brexit is going to be better than what we currently have. Not how it's going to be better than the disaster than the Treasury predicted pre-vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: A bigger clue is the title of the graph that you posted. We're ignoring that one are we? Just focusing on the bit at the very bottom, which is clearly more relevant. "Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says." Look. It's hard not to be flippant when you so blatantly cherry-pick such a minimal amount of evidence to suit your case. But my understanding is that these assessments of "shock" where made on the basis of Article 50 being triggered immediately. That didn't happen. The predictions also did not consider the impact of the transition period. Anyway, I don't know why you continually refer to the pre-vote reports as the benchmark for Brexit. They're irrelevant now. All anybody wants to know is how Brexit is going to be better than what we currently have. Not how it's going to be better than the disaster than the Treasury predicted pre-vote. That argument is becoming laughable, the treasury is part of the government, they were in charge of implementing the decision so if they based figures on an Article 50 being invoked on the day of the result then they were lying. But again, even if they did invoke it on THAT day of the result, it still means we are inside the EU when those projections are made for the borrowing of 17-18 as the earliest we leave would have been June 24th 2018 - so even if you claim it's based on that theory it still doesn't make any sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 23 March 2018 Share Posted 23 March 2018 1 hour ago, Fox Ulike said: "The immediate impact of Brexit". It says "Brexit". Not the "referendum". It's like taking ice-cream from a toddler. You're posting these things yourself! Come on Matt, I know you can do better than this! You're the Frank Sinclair of the Brexit debate this morning. Why does it include 2017-2018 borrowing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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