Sharpe's Fox Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 Not allowed to be anti-capitalist anymore without being antisemitic or anti-west. Take note people social justice and equality is racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 (edited) Hang on a minute. In the last ten years Russia has annexed Crimea, invaded the Ukraine and started a war in Georgia and people still wonder why democratic countries that border it want to join NATO? Edited 26 March 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: What’s he done about it really? He ordered a review in 2016ish? What was the outcome? I don’t think we heard, or maybe I missed it, I can’t think of anything else tbh. It was shami chacrabaty (there's virtually no chance that's how you spell it). She concluded that labour wasn't any more racist, anti-Semitic etc than anything else (and though she won't have many fans the one thing she is clear on is that kind of thing as ex head of liberty). She did note that labour were complained about more though. You'd have to look it up for the proper end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: Hang on a minute. In the last ten years Russia has annexed Crimea, invaded the Ukraine and started a war in Georgia and people still wonder why democratic countries that border it want to join NATO? I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs, just pointing out that you can't only look one way. As I say, Hitchens made this point much more succinctly on QT last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Tbh most of this stuff doesn't bother me that much. All I know is that when you see him with the public there's never been a politician more at home. Yes, I do believe he wants to make the world a better place for ordinary people. That isn't to say he hasn't done stupid things in the past. But you are voting for him to run the country, his foreign policy decisions make him completely and utterly unfit to do that. You now have a situation on a Monday evening where Labour MP's are calling out his lies in the house while other Labour MP's are on the outside calling out his antisemitism and some of his cultists have turned up to chant his name. It's a complete shambles and it is all down to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: But you are voting for him to run the country, his foreign policy decisions make him completely and utterly unfit to do that. You now have a situation on a Monday evening where Labour MP's are calling out his lies in the house while other Labour MP's are on the outside calling out his antisemitism and some of his cultists have turned up to chant his name. It's a complete shambles and it is all down to him. Mental. John Woodcocks politics are to the right of the Conservative Party leader these days and you’re using this melt as representative of the PLP. If it weren’t for JC the Labour Party would be polling at 20% along with the SPD and Parti Socialiste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breadandcheese Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: It was shami chacrabaty (there's virtually no chance that's how you spell it). She concluded that labour wasn't any more racist, anti-Semitic etc than anything else (and though she won't have many fans the one thing she is clear on is that kind of thing as ex head of liberty). She did note that labour were complained about more though. You'd have to look it up for the proper end result. I believe the end result was a peerage for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 7 minutes ago, MattP said: But you are voting for him to run the country, his foreign policy decisions make him completely and utterly unfit to do that. You now have a situation on a Monday evening where Labour MP's are calling out his lies in the house while other Labour MP's are on the outside calling out his antisemitism and some of his cultists have turned up to chant his name. It's a complete shambles and it is all down to him. Which foreign policy decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Which foreign policy decisions? Well had he been leader our position would have been to leave Kuwait to Saddam Hussein, we'd have made no response to any Russian incursion and in fact maybe backed them, we would have left people to carry on being genocided in Bosnia and we'd have publicly backed the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes. Can you even begin to imagine the national embarrassment this would caused us on the World stage? He got Iraq right though, I'll give him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 30 minutes ago, MattP said: Just a quick reminder of the spending in this referendum, hopefully we'll also see investigation into the other side. This doesn't even the 9million the government spent on that leaflet telling us all to stay either. Exactly , the gov't were pro remain and did spend £9 million on the leaflet, the monies talked about for the leave campaign pale into insignificance, yet another attempt to discredit the refrendum result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 6 minutes ago, breadandcheese said: I believe the end result was a peerage for her. Still hard to believe that happened - how did they expect to get away with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breadandcheese Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 56 minutes ago, toddybad said: Not sure what else the guy can do tbh Jeremy Corbyn concedes Labour has failed to address antisemitism problem https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/26/jeremy-corbyn-accused-of-being-figurehead-for-antisemitism?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard I think that's a good first step and should be credited. If he holds to the principles of his letter and acts in a matter that is not just words said to defuse the situation, then it can only be good. The litmus test will be what he does to those close to him who espouse horrible views, like Ken Livingstone and Jackie Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 35 minutes ago, Donut said: Facts in brexit are utterly irrelevant. Convince people theres something to be scared of, i.e. the EU and foreigners, and facts are irrelevant because emotions override facts. Cambridge analytica have said that too. And fact is, whether it offends people or not, a significant proportion of brexit voters are racist, are thick, are ignorant and had no idea what they do to the country. If it offends you, tough. Youre probably one of them. And then the goalposts are shifted over and over and over. No one agrees what brexit was and never will. You are indeed a Donut. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 (edited) So I'm gaming what could happen if we bit the bullet and got rid of JC. Emily Thornbury in 10 and keir starmar in 11? May be the way to go. ET is down to earth and funny. Thornbury would tear TM a new one and KS has the air of trustworthiness which might sell labour economics better to the centre right voter. The policies are popular. The economics needs to convince. Could ET sell herself to the young in the way JC has? The Tories are there for the taking, would a different front bench increase or decrease support? Edited 26 March 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: So I'm gaming what could happen if we bit the bullet and got rid of JC. Emily Thornbury in 10 and keir starmar in 11? May be the way to go. ET is down to earth and funny. Thornbury would tear TM a new one and KS has the air of trustworthiness which might sell labour economics better to the centre right voter. The policies are popular. The economics needs to convince. Could ET sell herself to the young in the way JC has? The Tories are there for the taking, would a different front bench increase or decrease support? Hard to say, impossible in fact. He's going to stay anyway, the membership is clearly still overwhelmingly pro-Corbyn and that's not going to change anytime soon. Thornberry is still a risk given she's a posh north Londoner, Starmer doesn't seem to be popular with members - if I was betting I'd be on McDonnell, Long-Bailey or Diane Abbott. I hope Corbyn stays for a while yet anyway, a rejuvenated Labour party with a pro-Remain leader worries me, don't want to see that until we are fully out as it would be a genuine threat to a proper Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasPb Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 28 minutes ago, MattP said: Well had he been leader our position would have been to leave Kuwait to Saddam Hussein, we'd have made no response to any Russian incursion and in fact maybe backed them, we would have left people to carry on being genocided in Bosnia and we'd have publicly backed the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes. Can you even begin to imagine the national embarrassment this would caused us on the World stage? He got Iraq right though, I'll give him that. Don't think he would have been a vocal supporter of Cuba, but would not have supported blockading them. And as for Venezuela, he might have had stronger relations, but honestly Venezuela was not some hard, Stalin like dictatorship under Chavez. It was an incredibly divided nation, with a leader who could have been miles better than he was, but with an opposition who was obviously only out to support the rich. Today though he surely would not support Venezuela's government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Not sure what else the guy can do tbh Jeremy Corbyn concedes Labour has failed to address antisemitism problem https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/26/jeremy-corbyn-accused-of-being-figurehead-for-antisemitism?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Yeah but according to Carl he's just lying to shut up the press and he's done nothing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 23 minutes ago, toddybad said: So I'm gaming what could happen if we bit the bullet and got rid of JC. Emily Thornbury in 10 and keir starmar in 11? May be the way to go. ET is down to earth and funny. Thornbury would tear TM a new one and KS has the air of trustworthiness which might sell labour economics better to the centre right voter. The policies are popular. The economics needs to convince. Could ET sell herself to the young in the way JC has? The Tories are there for the taking, would a different front bench increase or decrease support? They would be worth considering for a vite in my eyes. I could never vote Labour with that plonker in charge not matter how bad the Tories are. Its another case of turkeys and christmas. Voting for a better world by completely wrecking the economy is not the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 4 minutes ago, Webbo said: Yeah but according to Carl he's just lying to shut up the press and he's done nothing wrong. Bit rude seeing how I've been at work all day and haven't had a chance to digest let alone give an opinion on this particular topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said: Bit rude seeing how I've been at work all day and haven't had a chance to digest let alone give an opinion on this particular topic. If it wasn't antisemitic yesterday it can't be today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Webbo said: If it wasn't antisemitic yesterday it can't be today. It's a different subject of conversation pal. I'll possibly get back to you on it when I'm not fresh from post work drinks. Edit: Ok having had a brief look at the article it's a continuation of the same topic but with more nuance. Either way you're having a laugh if you expect a thoughtful response from me six or so pints in, kinda like expecting one from you ever. Edit edit: Ok that was a bit mean I'm sorry Webs you're one of my best FT friends. Edited 26 March 2018 by Carl the Llama 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Webbo said: Yeah but according to Carl he's just lying to shut up the press and he's done nothing wrong. Who's carl? Edit.Oh yeah sorry carl Edited 26 March 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Who's carl? He's just above you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Who's carl? Edit.Oh yeah sorry carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2018 Share Posted 26 March 2018 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Mental. John Woodcocks politics are to the right of the Conservative Party leader these days and you’re using this melt as representative of the PLP. If it weren’t for JC the Labour Party would be polling at 20% along with the SPD and Parti Socialiste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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