Jon the Hat Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 19 minutes ago, toddybad said: Biggest rise in poverty since Thatcher. It's the weird thing about the Tories - they're generally trusted with the economy despite the fact the completely nobble ordinary people every time they get into power. Labour overspend, Tories reign it in. Clearly that will result in those on welfare having less money than under Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charl91 Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 3 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Reminds me a bit of Gordon Brown. He struggled in the same way. I remember when his wife had to get up on stage at the Labour party conference to tell everyone that he was actually a nice bloke. To be fair to both Gordon Brown and May though, as cringeworthy as some of these interviews can be, at the end of the day I'm not particularly bothered about how charming and charismatic our leaders are, as long as they are competent at their job*. Would much rather a boring man in a grey suit than a charming snake-oil salesman. It's a shame so much stock is put on appearances, as there's nothing worse than politicians trying to convince people that they're "one of us" - David Cameron and his beloved West Ham springs to mind. (*Not that I'm saying May is competent, that's another question entirely). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 I'm almost at the point now where I would rather he was doing this negotiation than May, at least he actually believes in Brexit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html Quote Jeremy Corbyn to highlight economic 'benefit' of Brexit as he demands UK stop relying on imports made by 'cheap labour from abroad' Labour leader will say plummeting pound can help manufacturers 'build things here again that for too long have been built abroad', in speech that will prompt comparisons with Donald Trump's 'America first' approach. Jeremy Corbyn will today claim there has already been an economic "benefit" of Brexit, as he launches a campaign to boost British manufacturing. The Labour leader will suggest the crash in the pound that followed the 2016 referendum made sterling more competitive and should have helped UK exporters, had the government had a plan to let them capitalise on it. It will come in a "build it in Britain" speech, in which Mr Corbyn will also attack a reliance on imports made by "cheap labour from abroad" and demand government contracts are kept in Britain instead of being given to "companies outside the UK". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: I'm almost at the point now where I would rather he was doing this negotiation than May, at least he actually believes in Brexit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html It's interesting because he's being attacked from the left on this one but actually what's he's talking about is bringing manufacturing back to Britain. It'd be good for jobs and, crucially, the north. People go on about our economy being 80% services bit what do you expect when manufacturing was killed off and infrastructure spending is all focused on building a finance hub in London. Brexit or not this needs doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MattP said: I'm almost at the point now where I would rather he was doing this negotiation than May, at least he actually believes in Brexit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html This was always a strange part of it for me. I thought the opportunity of Brexit would be to expand on British manufacturing, get away from austerity etc.... not go the way of WTO But it seems to me most Brexiters, on this site at least, lean more to the right, to austerity, to buying fruits and clothes or whatever from Africa and chickens from America Corbyn would be loads better. We know he reluctantly voted Remain We are stuck with the woman who reluctantly takes chargé of Brexit Corbyn would be loving it in her position. At least we'd get to watch someone enjoy themselves..... as he dismantles society piece by piece Edited 24 July 2018 by AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kopfkino Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 Socialism and mercantilism...great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: This was always a strange part of it for me. I thought the opportunity of Brexit would be to expand on British manufacturing, get away from austerity etc.... not go the way of WTO But it seems to me most Brexiters, on this site at least, lean more to the right, to austerity, to buying fruits and clothes or whatever from Africa and chickens from America Corbyn would be loads better. We know he reluctantly voted Remain We are stuck with the woman who reluctantly takes chargé of Brexit Corbyn would be loving it in her position. At least we'd get to watch someone enjoy themselves..... as he dismantles society piece by piece Campaigned for remain you mean, there is no way Corbyn voted against the common market, Lisbon and Maastrict and then walked into a polling booth on referendum day and voted to stay in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 3 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: Socialism and mercantilism...great Arent those the two pillars of any great contemporary society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 4 minutes ago, toddybad said: It's interesting because he's being attacked from the left on this one but actually what's he's talking about is bringing manufacturing back to Britain. It'd be good for jobs and, crucially, the north. People go on about our economy being 80% services bit what do you expect when manufacturing was killed off and infrastructure spending is all focused on building a finance hub in London. Brexit or not this needs doing. The key thing of course is how we produce this at a cheaper price than the Chinese do etc - I don't see how it's remotly possible when you are also talking about things like a £10 minimum wage alongside it. But we'll see, maybe this one time it will work. Unlikely, but maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 5 minutes ago, MattP said: Campaigned for remain you mean, there is no way Corbyn voted against the common market, Lisbon and Maastrict and then walked into a polling booth on referendum day and voted to stay in. Ah, maybe. I was hoping his voting would reflect his ostensible stance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 Why do we need to? There's more to life than getting the cheapest deal. If minimum wage rises and the public sector focusing spending on the British economy people will have more money in their pockets. Focus on quality, not the cheapest price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kopfkino Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 Donald Trump speaks as a mercantilist = really really bad Jeremy Corbyn speaks as a mercantilist = really really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 8 minutes ago, toddybad said: Why do we need to? There's more to life than getting the cheapest deal. If minimum wage rises and the public sector focusing spending on the British economy people will have more money in their pockets. Focus on quality, not the cheapest price. What does that even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 First the NHS and now this! All courtesy of your caring, sharing Tory government https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44933009 Public sector workers: Pay rises announced for a million people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 17 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: First the NHS and now this! All courtesy of your caring, sharing Tory government https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44933009 Public sector workers: Pay rises announced for a million people Whilst pay rises are welcomed, requiring further cuts to pay for them is madness. The fear of just taxing a bit more causes the Tories to make some atrocious choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breadandcheese Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: Whilst pay rises are welcomed, requiring further cuts to pay for them is madness. The fear of just taxing a bit more causes the Tories to make some atrocious choices. Simply not true. The taxpayers alliance released a report last week showing thag the tax burden as a percentage of gdp is at its highest level since 1969-70. So this Tory government has been taxing the economy more heavily than any government for the last 49 years. A new research note, released today by the TPA, reveals that the tax burden in Britain has reached a 49-year high. This year, taxes will account for 34.3 per cent of GDP, the highest since 1969-70 when the figure was 35.0 per cent https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/highest_tax_burden_this_year_since_1969_70 Edited 24 July 2018 by breadandcheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 4 minutes ago, toddybad said: Whilst pay rises are welcomed, requiring further cuts to pay for them is madness. The fear of just taxing a bit more causes the Tories to make some atrocious choices. I just knew you'd be delighted with no caveats Toddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 42 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Arent those the two pillars of any great contemporary society? No, that's free pornography and affordable beer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: Whilst pay rises are welcomed, requiring further cuts to pay for them is madness. The fear of just taxing a bit more causes the Tories to make some atrocious choices. There was a report out yesterday saying we are taxed more now than we have been for decades. How much taxation do you actually want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: No, that's free pornography and affordable beer. Not massively into porn if i'm honest and cant drink beer atm due to the necessity of steering clear of yeast Change those to weed and gin and i'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Not massively into porn if i'm honest and cant drink beer atm due to the necessity of steering clear of yeast Change those to weed and gin and i'm in Fine. Fibre optic Internet and decent quality chocolate? Edited 24 July 2018 by Finnegan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breadandcheese Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 3 minutes ago, MattP said: There was a report out yesterday saying we are taxed more now than we have been for decades. How much taxation do you actually want? And the government is planning to raise taxes higher, despite their attempts to spin public expenditures as a brexit dividend. I'm expecting insurance premium tax to be raised to 20% inline with VAT, fuel duty rises to be unfrozen, tax bands not to increase with inflation and over 65s to pay NI. Those are the easy hits I think the chancellor will reach for at the next budget. They still won't cover the expenditures planned, so I'm not sure what else is in the pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Fine. Fibre optic Internet and decent quality chocolate? This perfect society is not so easy to conceive of is it? Staying away from chocolate too mate, as also need to cut down on sugar Fibre optic is a good pillar though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: This perfect society is not so easy to conceive of is it? Staying away from chocolate too mate, as also need to cut down on sugar Fibre optic is a good pillar though I'm having you deported you weirdo. Actually it just occurs to me that chocolate, tidy Internet, good beer and Liberal attitudes to sexual media are all pillars of the low countries so I might just have to deport myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 24 July 2018 Share Posted 24 July 2018 2 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I just knew you'd be delighted with no caveats Toddy Come on, Izzy. He has a point. The Govt has offered public sector employees a rise roughly in line with inflation for one year - so real pay will stay about the same for a year, after falling for about 6-7 years. But they've made clear that there'll be no extra money for this - the extra pay will have to come from further cuts to the spending of already cash-strapped departments. Hardly grounds for ticker tape and whooping in the street. The Govt obviously face a difficult year ahead with Brexit and have opted to do the minimum to temporarily get another source of public discontent off their backs. I wonder what the pay deals and public spending will be like in 2-3 years time, if Brexit damages the economy and tax revenues? But, of course, that won't happen. Liam Fox is waiting in the wings with his bundle of great trade deals to export tariff-free Gareth Southgate waistcoats to Samoa, Scotch to Saudi Arabia and prawn crackers to China. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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