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Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

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1 minute ago, MattP said:

I never got the fascination with her at all, extremely average.

 

I honestly think Serena Williams is a sexier black woman, I'd rather get in bed with Sol Campbell than Naomi.

 

Hard Brexit, legalise it.

 

Deal or No Deal Buce?

Better still Ashley Cole... :wub:

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1 minute ago, MattP said:

I never got the fascination with her at all, extremely average.

 

I honestly think Serena Williams is a sexier black woman, I'd rather get in bed with Sol Campbell than Naomi.

 

Hard Brexit, legalise it.

 

Deal or No Deal Buce?

 

Just call me JRM. :cool:

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7 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Better still Ashley Cole... :wub:

 

Oh, dear! I'm disappointed in you, Suzie.

 

Old King Cole > Natalie Cole > Nat King Cole > Cheryl Cole > Carlton Cole > A sack of coal > Ashley Cole 

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4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Oh, dear! I'm disappointed in you, Suzie.

 

Old King Cole > Natalie Cole > Nat King Cole > Cheryl Cole > Carlton Cole > A sack of coal > Ashley Cole 

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Don't encourage her, Alf - she's hitting Google Images as we speak...

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3 hours ago, MattP said:

I'm almost at the point now where I would rather he was doing this negotiation than May, at least he actually believes in Brexit.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-economic-labour-party-cheap-labour-migrants-eu-a8460696.html

 

 

 

As much as I would like us to become a manufacturing powerhouse I think that it is now unlikely that in some sectors we can compete with the quality of Germany and the prices of the far east.

 

More pie in the Sky stuff from Corbyn, firstly how is he going to stop low cost foreign products from getting here? If he does, does that not make him as bad a trump on protectionism? Like most of his ideas its unworkable. 

 

We have manufacturing in some areas where we are wold renowned, we should seek to protect and grow those areas. However generally speaking 'old school manufacturing' as Corbyn would have it is dying, more can be automated, the far east will always ben cheaper. We can make quality products, but not everyone will buy based on quality over price. 

 

We need to be focusing on doing what we already do well better, Britain can/should be concentrating on its high tech business, services and ground breaking innovation, this is where the future lies. Again Corbyn is living in the past.

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3 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

Focusing on trying to reignite old industries is the wrong thing to strive for. We need to take the people who have been displaced from old industry and retrain and employ in future tech like renewables, etc. The Trump America First model is wrong and the people who know that the most are the people who have seen their industries die by machine and automation first hand. 

 

Why on earth the entire western first world is hell-bent on trying to go back to the 'glory' years I'll never know. We have a global warming crisis happening right here, right now - we need to be employing every spare set of hands and funding the move towards 100% renewable, environmentally sound technologies as if our lives depend on it; because they do. 

Corbyn’s Build it in Britain plan isn’t radical – it’s what other countries do

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/24/corbyn-build-it-in-britain-public-contracts-manufacturing?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

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3 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

Focusing on trying to reignite old industries is the wrong thing to strive for. We need to take the people who have been displaced from old industry and retrain and employ in future tech like renewables, etc. The Trump America First model is wrong and the people who know that the most are the people who have seen their industries die by machine and automation first hand. 

 

Why on earth the entire western first world is hell-bent on trying to go back to the 'glory' years I'll never know. We have a global warming crisis happening right here, right now - we need to be employing every spare set of hands and funding the move towards 100% renewable, environmentally sound technologies as if our lives depend on it; because they do. 

Another centrist who thinks any divergence with neoliberism, globalisation and bullshit jobs is Trumpist. Try being a leftist.

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37 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Don't worry, everyone:

 

 

Is anybody else thinking it might be wise to stock up in advance of Brexit?

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All of our parties are a shambles at the minute, but what is going in some parts of this one is borderline disturbing.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/terror-police-boost-security-for-mp-sarah-champion-over-criticism-of-asian-sex-gangs-jz3ftp8b9

 

An MP who received death threats after condemning the sexual abuse of girls by groups of British Pakistani men has been given increased security amid fears that hard-left and Muslim opponents are trying to force her from office.

 

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Sarah Champion was accused by activists in her Rotherham constituency of “industrial-scale racism” for highlighting the “common ethnic heritage” of most of those implicated in the town’s sex-grooming scandal.

 

Criticism of the former Labour frontbencher has been led by a racial justice charity that claims to speak on behalf of the local Pakistani community. Its main funder is the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust, a Quaker organisation that was widely criticised in 2015 for donating more than £300,000 to Cage, a human rights group that described Mohammed Emwazi, the Islamic State murderer known as Jihadi John, as a “beautiful young man”.

Friends of Ms Champion say that far-left activists and leading members of the town’s Pakistani community seem to be trying to destroy her reputation. They are said to want a Muslim member of Rotherham council to replace the MP if she gives up her seat or is deselected.

 

The Times has seen correspondence in which the South Yorkshire council’s former deputy leader, Jahangir Akhtar, labels Ms Champion an “ogre” and warns: “If Labour wants to keep her seat, they need to get rid of her pretty quick.”

Taiba Yasseen, a Momentum supporter and until recently a member of the Labour-run local authority’s cabinet, is viewed as a potential successor. She is seeking a Westminster seat and has publicly condemned Ms Champion for “betraying an entire ethnic group”. Ms Yasseen, 43, was dropped from the Rotherham cabinet in May for reasons the party has declined to reveal, but supporters of Ms Champion say that the decision was prompted by concerns that she was trying to discredit the MP. The councillor said any suggestion that she had attempted to undermine Ms Champion was “categorically untrue”.The strongest public attacks on Ms Champion, who campaigns for the victims of child sexual exploitation, have been made by a Rotherham-based racial justice charity, Just Yorkshire.

The charity’s leader has accused the MP of “industrial-scale racism” and “inciting and inviting hatred against minorities”. One of its leading figures is a radical academic, Waqas Tufail, whose research speciality is Islamophobia and the “racialisation of crime”.

 

Rotherham gained international notoriety in 2014, when an independent inquiry found that over 16 years at least 1,400 local girls were targeted for sexual exploitation by organised groups of men. Most victims were white. Their abusers were said to be “almost all” of Pakistani origin. The scandal led to sex-grooming prosecutions across the country and far-right marches in the town.

 

 

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2 hours ago, ealingfox said:

Don't worry, everyone:

 

 

 

2016: "Hey, look... There's no downside to Brexit! Only benefits!"

 

2018: "Erm... We might not actually have enough food to go around."

 

What in the name of f**k are we doing?! 

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6 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

 

2016: "Hey, look... There's no downside to Brexit! Only benefits!"

 

2018: "Erm... We might not actually have enough food to go around."

 

What in the name of f**k are we doing?! 

 

 

Self-destructing.

 

It's like watching a train crash in slow motion.

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18 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

2016: "Hey, look... There's no downside to Brexit! Only benefits!"

 

2018: "Erm... We might not actually have enough food to go around."

 

What in the name of f**k are we doing?! 

Fake news, no one has said either of those things.

 

Although the idea some countries may choose to withhold medicine and food if they don't get their own way probably explains a lot as to why we are leaving this thing in the first place.

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25 minutes ago, MattP said:

Fake news, no one has said either of those things.

 

Although the idea some countries may choose to withhold medicine and food if they don't get their own way probably explains a lot as to why we are leaving this thing in the first place.

 

Actually David Davis said almost those exact words in the House of Commons in October 2016.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/45137d44-8f0a-11e6-a72e-b428cb934b78

 

 Mr Davis brushed aside those concerns, declaring: “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”

 

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49 minutes ago, MattP said:

Fake news, no one has said either of those things.

 

Although the idea some countries may choose to withhold medicine and food if they don't get their own way probably explains a lot as to why we are leaving this thing in the first place.

I think it's more to do with us either not checking what's coming into our country, or checking and causing huge backlogs. Not that we've done anything about getting the requisite number of customs officials or upgrading customs full stop.

 

It's interesting that Brexiteers spent ages telling us that we needed to put in place no deal plans to show we mean business (rather than having a positive engagement with the EU), but now they've got plans being made it's project fear.

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