MC Prussian Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 19 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Drinkwater had informed the club he wanted to leave very early last summer and his behaviour that summer was not far off Riyad's from what I gather. Somebody within the club, whether it was Shakespeare alluded to it as well once he'd gone. That claim has been backed again by the Football Forum panel yesterday. Apparently, he didn't leave the club with the best of wishes - wasn't it Pearson who once said that Drinkwater needed some kind of "special attention"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 6 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: That claim has been backed again by the Football Forum panel yesterday. Apparently, he didn't leave the club with the best of wishes - wasn't it Pearson who once said that Drinkwater needed some kind of "special attention"? Yeah he said he was a very complex character or something. If we are to bring in any other central midfielders I'd like them to be more dynamic, Max Meyer or Abdulkadir Omür type players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 Wasnt there a time when CM's were the most important and hard to get players... we seem to have shitloads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 1 minute ago, ozleicester said: Wasnt there a time when CM's were the most important and hard to get players... we seem to have shitloads But no good ones. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 1 minute ago, ozleicester said: Wasnt there a time when CM's were the most important and hard to get players... we seem to have shitloads The difference is that they used to be expected to do everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 6 hours ago, themightyfin said: To be fair the only time I ever see Kung getting slated is when reading Foxestalk Really????? Gets slated on Bentleys Gets slated by those who sit near me. 3 hours ago, Albert said: Each to their own mate & I understand where you’re coming from. I’m probably slightly biased towards Drinky for a number of reasons but for Looking at the transfer fees flying about and the fact we’ve just spent £20 odd million on a teenager that has no experience Have I missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannythefox Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 Personally I think he had to take his chance and testing himself against the best but he was injured for nearly 6months when leaving for Chelsea so I feel for him a bit there. I’d love him back and if he gets back to his best he’s better than what we have. Silva I still don’t know about him but Iborra is a different player. Drinkwater and Ndidi in the middle would improve us imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dannythefox said: Personally I think he had to take his chance and testing himself against the best but he was injured for nearly 6months when leaving for Chelsea so I feel for him a bit there. I’d love him back and if he gets back to his best he’s better than what we have. Silva I still don’t know about him but Iborra is a different player. Drinkwater and Ndidi in the middle would improve us imo. It's a major 'if' though, isn't it? He's been injury-prone for a long time and is approaching the end of his career at the top level. We'd risk wasting a sizable chunk of the wage budget on somebody who spends their whole time in the treatment room. Too much of a risk. Edited 31 July 2018 by ClaphamFox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 I rate Danny and loved him while he was here but there are two key reasons for not wanting him back. 1. Are most of my feelings about him based on both the 13/14 Championship season and the 15/16 title winning season. The first obviously at a lower level and the second he played next to Ngolo Kante. Would our current midfielders look good in the championship/next to Kante? 2. He’s had a lot of niggling injuries in the past couple of years and whilst I’m sure his mate Matty James would love the company it’s really not what we need. Even if we got him on loan it’s taking minutes away from someone like Choudhury and we’d be stuck with trying to shift at least one midfielder along with all the loads of surplus players elsewhere and we’ve struggled to do that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 7 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: Have I missed something? Assume @Albert means Maddison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannythefox Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: It's a major 'if' though, isn't it? He's been crocked for a long time and is approaching the end of his career at the top level. We'd risk wasting a sizable chunk of the wage budget on somebody who spends their whole time in the treatment room. Too much of a risk. I understand what your saying but he’s just turned 28 so he’s got a good few years left yet. I think he’d be fine. Still pissed off we’ve not got a couple more through the door really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc sheff Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 Nostalgia clouds a lot of peoples judgement, he hasn’t been the same for a long time. Move on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleckneymike Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 I think the way he left means he won’t be coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ClaphamFox Posted 31 July 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 31 July 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said: Nostalgia clouds a lot of peoples judgement, he hasn’t been the same for a long time. Move on. When considering whether we'd like a former player to return, it's useful to ask: would we want him if he had no prior association with the club? If Drinkwater hadn't previously played for us but was being linked with us now, I think the vast majority of fans would be moaning about our lack of ambition in going for an injury-prone Chelsea reject. Nostalgia is an understandable emotion, but it should be eliminated completely from player recruitment decisions. Edited 31 July 2018 by ClaphamFox 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankMarvin Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 9 hours ago, Albert said: Mind-boggling that you’re judging him on playing 45mins of a preseason friendly with zero confidence for a club that clearly doesn’t want him. Hes hardly kicked a ball in the last yr so rather than looking for “real world evidence” over that time I’ll judge him on the evidence he showed us when he was a major factor in our recent success and the fact we are crying out for a player of his quality that can perform consistently next to Wilf! Selling a player for £35m and then re-signing him 12months later for half the amount is the total opposite of undoing ‘the best sale transaction the club will ever make’.... Depends the player that would return,,, how much being at Chelsea has effected his confidence wages injurys 28 now, resale value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxinNotts Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 Sturaro or Drinkwater? - Drinkwater for me, all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppalcfc Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 2 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said: Sturaro or Drinkwater? - Drinkwater for me, all day long. sturaro, a lot more versatile and offers more than drinky in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Blues Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 He doesn't really fit puel's 3 man midfield, nor is he particularly great at retaining possession. If for whatever reason we return to the 4-4-2 he'd be a good option but that's not enough reason to bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Albert said: Choudary > A million miles away from being a Prem player. Needs to go out on loan and learn the game. Silva > No doubting his quality but has yet to settle and there’s question marks whether he can handle the pace of the Prem. Iborra > Quality player but is on his last legs & is more of a squad player Mendy > Seriously?!?! James > Can’t stay fit I was as bitter and angry as anyone when Drinky forced his move to Chelsea but if u take the emotion out of it we would of all done the same! He was given the opportunity to set himself up for life financially and go play with a top top team with some of the Worlds best players. Ur a liar if you’re saying you wouldn’t of done the same! It obviously hasn’t worked out for him but regardless of everything it doesn’t change the fact he was an integral part to our success & is one of the best midfielders that has worn the shirt. Signing such a proven quality player that wouldn’t need anytime settling in for a cut price fee would be a fantastic move for us which I really hope happens Personally I wasn't angry when Drinkwater decided he wanted to go, I was far more angry at Kante leaving when he did because at that point we were on the crest of a wave and anything was still possible if we kept our best players together and bought really well that summer. By the time Drinkwater left we had run our race and I don't blame any of our players who have options of going to elite clubs for wanting to go. Every player wants to win trophies and play Champions League football and if they have the option that's much better than staying here hoping for 7th place and an outside chance of winning a cup. Drinkwater also seen the chance to link up with Kante again when they were the best CM pairing in the league. I'm not one of these people who give Kante all the credit for that as Drinkwater was just as important and brilliant in his own right. However by the time Chelsea bid £35m it was a sell all day long. There were rumours he had a hip flexor problem that wouldn't heal properly and in the last two years he's had 11 different injuries on other leg parts which looks like he's overprotecting his hip flexor by overcompensating with other leg parts. He hasn't been a top class player for two years now and in that time we've spent £70m on other CM's that are still at the club. Ndidi is widely regarded as a shoo in but we need to give Silva a chance to come in and we still have six other options in that position with Mendy, James, Iborra, Choudhury, Iborra and Amartey. It's reckless to bring Drinkwater back in a position we're stocked in and one were he might not make the first XI. We've spent good money on an already over bloated squad, they should be left to sort that position out themselves. Edited 31 July 2018 by Gerard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 There are only two midfielders out there who I would welcome back with open arms in the next couple of years, and we know who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderbyFox Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: There are only two midfielders out there who I would welcome back with open arms in the next couple of years, and we know who they are. Stephen Hughes & Gareth Williams? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 3 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: Stephen Hughes & Gareth Williams? Junior Lewis and Junior Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfox76 Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 3 hours ago, Gerard said: Personally I wasn't angry when Drinkwater decided he wanted to go, I was far more angry at Kante leaving when he did because at that point we were on the crest of a wave and anything was still possible if we kept our best players together and bought really well that summer. By the time Drinkwater left we had run our race and I don't blame any of our players who have options of going to elite clubs for wanting to go. Every player wants to win trophies and play Champions League football and if they have the option that's much better than staying here hoping for 7th place and an outside chance of winning a cup. Drinkwater also seen the chance to link up with Kante again when they were the best CM pairing in the league. I'm not one of these people who give Kante all the credit for that as Drinkwater was just as important and brilliant in his own right. However by the time Chelsea bid £35m it was a sell all day long. There were rumours he had a hip flexor problem that wouldn't heal properly and in the last two years he's had 11 different injuries on other leg parts which looks like he's overprotecting his hip flexor by overcompensating with other leg parts. He hasn't been a top class player for two years now and in that time we've spent £70m on other CM's that are still at the club. Ndidi is widely regarded as a shoo in but we need to give Silva a chance to come in and we still have six other options in that position with Mendy, James, Iborra, Choudhury, Iborra and Amartey. It's reckless to bring Drinkwater back in a position we're stocked in and one were he might not make the first XI. We've spent good money on an already over bloated squad, they should be left to sort that position out themselves. sweet.. when did we sign the other Iborra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacnah Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 52 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: Stephen Hughes & Gareth Williams? beat me to it. I had exactly these pair in mind as well! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1961 Posted 31 July 2018 Share Posted 31 July 2018 My recollection of Drinkeater is that he was great for two long spells and was relatively out of it for two equally long spells. I know it’s been suggested he played with injuries. Is that the explanation or is he a player whose confidence comes and goes? At his best, it seemed to me he really drove the team on, true box to box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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