Southampton post match 1-2 Win

[pazzerfox]

58 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Pleased as I am with our start, why do people STILL feel this inexplicable need to stick up for Daniel Amartey?

He’s been here now for three years and I swear I haven’t seen him improve. He’s 24, so not ‘a kid’ in footballing terms and looks like he’s going to do a poo in his pants every time he has the ball.

We can surely do better? Surely?

Stop with this ‘we need to give so and so a chance’... he’s had his chance and is lacking.

100% this.  When the team sheet gets released and I see Amartey on it...my heart sinks.  They clearly targeted him as a weakness with any of their meaningful attacks coming down our right hand side.  He's poor on the ball, he's clumsy, he hasn't got a footballing brain and he offers nothing going forward.  This should have been addressed in the summer and it hasn't!

 

Also, the lack of pressing in the last 10 minutes (when they were down to 10 men) was bafflingly non-existent.  Okazaki on for Gray was again...baffling.  Yes, we won 2-1 but we are papering over the cracks!!  We've been fortunate in two games.

 

Edited 25 August 2018 by pazzerfox

[Bluetintedspecs]

4 hours ago, worthosoriginals said:

that's spoilt an evening of full on moaning, many on FT were looking forward to.

 

The feckers are still moaning though Wortho. Prem is tough and winning away ugly is beautiful for me ?

[Ricey]

I don't want to moan about Puel after a win. I'm delighted with 6 points from the first three, but I've not seen a great deal yet to appease the concerns I had with him at the end of last season.

Anyway, that's probably all for another day. We won. Enjoy it.

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Pleased as I am with our start, why do people STILL feel this inexplicable need to stick up for Daniel Amartey?

He’s been here now for three years and I swear I haven’t seen him improve. He’s 24, so not ‘a kid’ in footballing terms and looks like he’s going to do a poo in his pants every time he has the ball.

We can surely do better? Surely?

Stop with this ‘we need to give so and so a chance’... he’s had his chance and is lacking.

Got to agree with this. As much as I want him to come good, he is simply not cutting out the basic errors. So much so, that errors are now becoming habits. The amount of times he’s fallen asleep and let someone in behind happens far too often. That’s whether he plays RB or CM. Maybe he is a confidence player but can we really afford to keep giving away chances and goals while he takes his time to find that confidence. 

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Ricey said:

I don't want to moan about Puel after a win. I'm delighted with 6 points from the first three, but I've not seen a great deal yet to appease the concerns I had with him at the end of last season.

Anyway, that's probably all for another day. We won. Enjoy it.

Ditto

[katieakita]

Take the 3 points, not a good performance but still positives. Big move last week to drop Morgan and even bigger move to bring him back this week and he did OK not that many will admit that. Lets not kid ourselves we were anywhere near the level we hope to be at but it is so early In the season and careers at Leicester for some of the players. Don't let Hughes kid you that Soton were good and were robbed they are a Mark Hughes team and deserved to lose just by the red card and Hughes having a pop at the ref for sending the guy off. Moss is a poor ref but that was the correct decision 100% and when Don Goodman calls it shameful you know it is poor. A good performance and result like last season does not make us the finished article but winning ugly shows we can grind out wins playing poorly. Also having that sulky mardy arse Hughes convincing himself that they were robbed makes it all the sweeter

[brucey]

31 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Surely Benkovic is good enough for our main squad. He was playing Champions League.  I think he had an injury too.

He looked fairly dodgy in the two U23 games he's played, but I think he's also coming back from injury. Definitely not ready for a first team game.

[Goober]

1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said:

If you think our performances are acceptable, then great, the expectations were set to improve on last season, I only see us failing on that.

Played well at Old Trafford. Started shite against Wolves but played well after the goal. Played well second half today. 

 

Need to cut out the slow starts. Apart from that there’s a lot to be positive about.

[FoxInTheBox89]

Glad we won but we can not ignore how poor we were for large periods of the game. Either it be the final ball, simple passes going horribly wrong or decision making we were poor all over the park.

Chilly was MOTM for me only person who shown a calmness and composure on the ball today

I really don't see what Mendy brings to this team, i think he was very bad today, passing was bad and receiving the ball he was caught on his toes so a good pass gets intercepted because he was just too slow of thought.

We lacked a lot today and it wasn't solely down to Vardy.

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, Goober said:

Played well at Old Trafford. Started shite against Wolves but played well after the goal. Played well second half today. 

 

Need to cut out the slow starts. Apart from that there’s a lot to be positive about.

Tactical changes at neves injury break changed the wolves game

tactical changes at half time today changed the game

concern is that puel cannot get the message across whilst the game is progressing although for some reason, teams generally don’t like making big tactical changes outside a long break in play. 

[brucey]

I hope the yellow card for shirt removal doesn't cost us a suspension for accumulation later. He's on 2 yellows after 3 games.

[Koke]

Glad we beat Hughes the bellend 

Edited 25 August 2018 by Koke

[Clever Fox]

52 minutes ago, TeePee said:

I count myself among the 'pro-Puel' camp as well, but he does seem to make some decisions that invite questioning - I'm not sure why Amartey-Pereira is considered a better option than Pereira-Albrighton, particularly as Amartey hasn't really looked all that reliable since he came into the team - I'm not a massive Simpson fan, but I'd rather have him over Amartey at this stage. Similar sort of thing with the Gray/Ihenacho substitution, only to bring Gray off in place of Okazaki about ten minutes later. I get that not everything he does is going to turn to gold, but considering the (not entirely fair IMO) microscope on him at the moment, things like that will stick in the mind - had Maguire not tucked one in the bottom corner from 20-odd yards after picking the ball up on the left wing(!), I think a lot of people would be pointing at that result as 2 points missed.

I do feel that a lot of the fuss over the style of play is overly harsh though - we were treated to some pretty damn exciting football over the last 2-3 seasons, and we're now playing a much more measured style - that's going to take some adjusting to, both for the players and the fans. We've ridden our luck so far, but we've gotten results - we gave Man U a proper game, we beat a Wolves side that's going to turn over some much better sides than us this season, and we've gutted out a shithousey 2-1 win against a fairly gritty Southampton side - things will only get better as the team gels and gets used to Puel's style.

And for all that, I'd rather win 1-0 every week than lose 4-3.

Excellent post by the way. So lets tease out some of your points.

Amartey, Pereira . Yes it does seem strange but then when you think about it, It makes sense. Amartey,  Simpson, while Simpson is an excellent defensive full back he's pushing on and not nearly as mobile or fast as Amartey. Amartey also offers a degree of versatility to fill in other positions.

Pereira, Albrighton. Also looks like it's the better pairing. But again when you examine examine it. Pereira is better on the Ball than Mark and I'm a huge fan of Albrighton. But at the moment Pereira provides the pace and width on the right and can run himself out first half. Then 2nd Half he drops back providing defensive cover and we bring on Mark, fresh legs to provide both cover if winning and Width if losing If we used Pereira and Albrighton .from the start, we'd have no options ( currently ) to change things if losing. That may all change when the New Players are up to speed fitness wise.

I understand people are nervous of Amartey but he's learning and  improving all the time and hasn't really let us down yet. He was excellent for the penalty call today which got the Southampton lad sent off. I've seen players like him before who look clumsy. Then all of a sudden they see the light and become very dependable and solid players.    

Gray and Nacho. Gray I thought was excellent today even aside from his Goal. His work rate was immense and his decision making so much better than last year. His anticipation and movement for his Goal today was first class. He waited knowing he'd be first to the Ball and took his Goal well.

Nacho was being closely watched by Southampton today, And despite trying his best couldn't find the space to get through. that happens sometimes in Matches. So of the 2 I thought Puel called it right keeping Grays versatility on the pitch. The later substitution was probably influenced by the fact that Okazaki has scored against them last couple of games and tiredness on Grays behalf. Taking Maddison off for me was a strange one as he'a always likely to get a goal or score a free kick but perhaps he got a knock.

All Managers are under the spotlight and live or die by those decisions. sometimes you have to just trust their judgement.( Especially when they are getting results.) They're working on patterns of play with players during the Week and generally like to see their plan implemented if possible. They think about it a lot and liaise with the other Coaches in deciding on a system of play.

Remember we have a relatively new young squad, new Players, and a new system. That's a lot for a young squad to deal with, It takes times to implement the system and patterns of play into players until it becomes second nature. Hence the term a Work in progress. People should remember that before they get too critical of the Team. Don't judge them on a single result but over a period of Months which will show a level of improvement or regression. 

Puel is a top Coach, That's the area we'll benefit from the most. But like the players he's improving too, His English is better for a start and I'm hearing the players are warming to him, That's a very good sign. It means they're buying into his style and methods.

We've a long way to go, with new CBs to introduce, But with a full squad the signs are looking good. Just keep the faith in the tough times, It's then more than ever the Players need our support. Then we'll be ok.

[mozartfox]

2 hours ago, seenitall said:

Miserable gets - away win, ugly but still a win and we still have moaners - let’s get shakey back so we can lose every week.

This

[oxtonfox]

15 minutes ago, brucey said:

He looked fairly dodgy in the two U23 games he's played, but I think he's also coming back from injury. Definitely not ready for a first team game.

don’t tell me he’s our new Kaputska who will never play a proper game for us.  

 

16 minutes ago, brucey said:

He looked fairly dodgy in the two U23 games he's played, but I think he's also coming back from injury. Definitely not ready for a first team game.

 

[katieakita]

Another positive is we won against a Southampton side mark Hughes said played brilliantly today. Well he has earned millions managing in the Premiership and has even been linked to us so must know what he is talking about 

[fuchsntf]

3 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

agreed should start next game, play Ricardo in place of Amartey… i'd also like to see Mendy and Iborra together 

I would like Puel,to bench Ndidi,he's not yet this season produced the goods...try another approach..

while the moaners are concentrating on Amartey,or another player...none of them are picking up on our cms midfieldcms

memory looked bood,but didn't create any openings,Maddison is lacking IMO an experienced old hand besides him.it could

mean sacrificing Ndidi,or Mendys new found position. The fact is we only have Silva and Iborra,so we must get at least one

Into the side,expecting to give him a long run,or share the responsibilities,..At present with lacklustre form from Ndidi,maybe

a different approach,would be worth it....Iborra has the defensive midfielder, helping with Mendy,as support for Maddison.

At present..nobody shouting the odds and directing,and delegating onfield...Morgan ain't the type,and Wrong position.

We need a mouthy midfielder..

[chris_lcfc_85]

I've been at the game today and I find the criticism of both amartey and Morgan truly ridiculous and quite frankly boring. Now I haven't read much of this thread but get the feeling both are getting some stick, particularly amartey. For the record, I was surprised he started and possibly a tad disappointed just because I wanted to see Ricardo playing there but to be fair, amartey did well. Apart from one nearly fatal pass back, he was good. He wasn't helped much by Ricardo particularly first half but still did OK. I'd like to see him be more adventurous when he's gone forward but that's being picky. 

Special mention to Morgan who was excellent today as was mendy and Chilwell, all players that seem to get unnecessary stick. 

Gray and maddison poor today but they'll be OK this season 

[leicesterseddon]

Went today. Strange to slag them off after a win but honestly we were dreadful. 

However I would just like to stick up for Amartey - yes he wasn’t great, but he wasn’t that bad either. 

Much more disappointed in Gray, Mendy, Iheanacho who were all very poor. 

[Langston]

Can only echo the sentiments about Chilwell, he looks so much more composed on the ball and defensively he just seems so much more switched on. His cross to Kelechi in the first half was spot on, if he can start delivering that kind of end ball with any remote kind of consistency I'll be chuffed. Wasn't one of Southgate's staffers at the game today? Best English footballer on the pitch, he'll have Young's LWB spot for England by the time the season's out if he keeps it up.

There were one or two occasions it was very apparent we have a bit of an inexperienced bunch here, just the odd bit of decision making that needs fine tuning, but that'll come on with game time. Mendy kept things ticking over nicely, he and Wilf just need to start getting the ball wide or forward to Maddison quicker.

Didn't rate Southampton, they had a lot of the ball but bar Ings' effort I can't recall them seriously testing Kasper. They'll stay up though.

Oh, and Moss was pretty much bang on in everything he gave this afternoon. In fact, the only non-debatable error I can think of was Wilf's foul on someone just outside our area early on, bit of a stamp.

[FoxInTheBox89]

4 minutes ago, chris_lcfc_85 said:

Special mention to Morgan who was excellent today as was mendy and Chilwell, all players that seem to get unnecessary stick.

Im sorry but i really dint see anything excellent from him today, please elaborate

[BenTheFox]

34 minutes ago, Ricey said:

I don't want to moan about Puel after a win. I'm delighted with 6 points from the first three, but I've not seen a great deal yet to appease the concerns I had with him at the end of last season.

Anyway, that's probably all for another day. We won. Enjoy it.

I see where you're coming from. I so desperately want it to work under him, but I can't pretend like there aren't things that trouble me somewhat. At the moment it's all about points and we've just gone away from home and without our best forward so I won't focus too much about the performances. If we're still playing like this regularly in a month or two then I will be concerned. 

Edited 25 August 2018 by BenTheFox

[chris_lcfc_85]

Just now, leicesterseddon said:

Went today. Strange to slag them off after a win but honestly we were dreadful. 

However I would just like to stick up for Amartey - yes he wasn’t great, but he wasn’t that bad either. 

Much more disappointed in Gray, Mendy, Iheanacho who were all very poor. 

I was there today. Mendy was good, made numerous blocks and tackles, covered lots of ground and kept it simple in possession. He won't pull trees up but that's his role. 

Iheanacho wasn't poor either, we offered next to no service to him in the first half. He came into the game more second half and was actually taken off at a time where he was playing OK. He'll get better 

[chris_lcfc_85]

1 minute ago, FoxInTheBox89 said:

Im sorry but i really dint see anything excellent from him today, please elaborate

Mendy was good, made numerous blocks and tackles, covered lots of ground and kept it simple in possession. He won't pull trees up but that's his role

What did he do wrong? 

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