Koke Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 15 hours ago, Md9 said: I see drinkwater has had his loan cancelled and gone back to Chelsea. Surely half a season loan to the championship would be good for him to get him some kind of form Maddison and Tielemans are much better players than DD. Drinkwater had a couple if good seasons for us but he was never that great of a player. Even if he stayed with us i firmly believe he would have been moved on anyway by either Puel or Rodgers to accommodate Maddison and Tielemans. He is 29 and his current level is Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, foxile5 said: I feel for the bloke. He backed himself to succeed and it's just gone so terribly wrong. Chelsea were mugs for buying him tbh. To think he was a CL level player is mental. If they wanted to sort out their English quota they could have just signed a Scott Carson or promoted a youth player. Edited 4 January 2020 by Koke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ScouseFox Posted 4 January 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 4 January 2020 3 hours ago, Koke said: Maddison and Tielemans are much better players than DD. Drinkwater had a couple if good seasons for us but he was never that great of a player. Even if he stayed with us i firmly believe he would have been moved on anyway by either Puel or Rodgers to accommodate Maddison and Tielemans. He is 29 and his current level is Championship. crikey that’s a bit of revisionism or just plain bitterness. he was our championship player of the year (ahead of vardy), and after 6 months of adjusting and learning about the prem he played what, basically every game in a two man midfield for the champions? got england caps? was genuinely superb match after match for about 18 months? to say he was never that good a player is insane. 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Fox Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 Drinkwater was was brilliant for us. He made our team tick for a good 3 and a bit seasons. When Drinky played well the whole team did. I was gutted when he left. As Nige said he’s a “complex character” but that doesn’t make him rubbish. Chelsea messed him up like so many other players. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach0000 Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 3 hours ago, LestaAl said: Notts County- A good example of what can befall a club after a generation or so ... Bury as well, sad really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 8 minutes ago, Master Fox said: Drinkwater was was brilliant for us. He made our team tick for a good 3 and a bit seasons. When Drinky played well the whole team did. I was gutted when he left. As Nige said he’s a “complex character” but that doesn’t make him rubbish. Chelsea messed him up like so many other players. Agree. Was a really good player for us. Unfortunately once opposition teams started to take away the ball over the top for Vardy, and the injury bug bit, he became less and less influential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie the Fox Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 4 hours ago, Matt said: Do you think? Perhaps i'm just a cynical fucker but I think something dramatically changed in Drinkwater attitude, whether that be mental issues that he had struggles without of his control I don't know, but I question his desire to actually be a footballer and just interested in chasing the money - again similar to my Maguire comments - Who am I to judge. Whilst he wasn't every going to get played for England I feel the way he handled the situations when he was called up for England badly, pulling out a few times, perhaps it was just unfortunate timing and I admit I held the opinion of 'Good on him for pulling out, he's not going to get a chance anyway'. I believe his attitude changed, thought he was something, chased the money and become abit of a Champagne Charlie, as you say he perhaps backed himself to succeed but I think everyone knew he wouldn't play for Chelsea, everyone pretty much knew Chelsea signed him to get their quota of English players up and it wouldn't be/isn't any shocking surprise that it has gone so terribly wrong. I agree with everything you said about Drinkwater and am probably just as cynical as you. However i dont feel the same about Maguire. He worked his way up thru the leagues, improving all the time and then got the chance to play on the big stage with England, jumped at the chance and bossed it. Man Utd (although they are absolutely pants right now) was just another a step up the ladder. Moving to the club which he apparently looked up to (?) as a youngster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 We'll find out what went wrong for Drinkwater one day. There's something that's happened behind the scenes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Leeds Fox Posted 4 January 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 4 January 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said: I agree with everything you said about Drinkwater and am probably just as cynical as you. However i dont feel the same about Maguire. He worked his way up thru the leagues, improving all the time and then got the chance to play on the big stage with England, jumped at the chance and bossed it. Man Utd (although they are absolutely pants right now) was just another a step up the ladder. Moving to the club which he apparently looked up to (?) as a youngster. I agree regarding Maguire. He was playing well for us and was regarded as the best English ball playing CB around. He knew he’d play for Man Utd every week and he’s been given the captaincy. They’re poor but he’ll be there for years now and could well turn a new leaf with a squad overhaul and a new manager. They’re capable of both if managed well from the top (easier said than done obviously). For me there’s a huge difference between Drinkwater and Maguire. Drinkwater had a chip on his shoulder after being sold by Man Utd and felt he had to prove he’d play for a top club. Maguire worked his way up on merit and deserved a big move. I’m sure Maguire doesn’t look back, Drinkwater may do. Edited 4 January 2020 by Leeds Fox 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 Can't see anyone in the premier league taking Drinkwater. Massive wages, injury problems and now (rightly or wrongly) with a reputation for off the field problems. He was never the quickest, I don't know if he even has the legs for the level anymore. He's still a legend and it's dismaying to see his decline as he should be in the peak of his career at 29. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 10 hours ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said: I think Drinkwater to Watford would be a great shout, but barely a handful of games in 2 years to a team who need results and need them now, could be problematic. I wonder how many other old boys might be on Niges radar ... Kingy ? ... Wes ? ... James ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 Still surprised he failed so miserably at Chelski .... we had won the league and our midfield pairing of Drinky and the Kante twins had completely bossed it ... it seemed like a very shrewd move at the time. Think we’ll have to wait a while before we get to the bottom of that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 11 hours ago, Aus Fox said: We are currently 25th - Championship play offs, which if you take our entire history is about right and shows what a great period we are in now. full league table https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.givemesport.com/1471906-the-alltime-english-topflight-table-has-been-created-using-131-years-of-results%3famp But 15th in the all time (since 92) Premier League table. https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeLeagueTable?comp_code=EPL Just 10 points from overtaking Boro and going into 14th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 27 minutes ago, Bryn said: We'll find out what went wrong for Drinkwater one day. There's something that's happened behind the scenes. Alcohol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soar Fox Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 59 minutes ago, StanSP said: Alcohol. He split up with the mother of his baby as well didn’t he, not long after the baby was born. It’s probably just accumulation of things with him. I wonder how much desire he has to get his head down and work hard again to force his way into a team. At 29 years old he’s got a couple of years at best left to be a premier league player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammo Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 Drinkwater’s dramatic decline - coupled with the rise and rise of Jamie Vardy - could and should be used as a cautionary tale to members of the current squad who might be tempted to move on to a ‘bigger’ club at some point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 5 minutes ago, Hammo said: Drinkwater’s dramatic decline - coupled with the rise and rise of Jamie Vardy - could and should be used as a cautionary tale to members of the current squad who might be tempted to move on to a ‘bigger’ club at some point. But it won't. Players like Maguire will look at drinkwater and assume that they're more capable of handling the move. At the end of the day money talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 9 minutes ago, Hammo said: Drinkwater’s dramatic decline - coupled with the rise and rise of Jamie Vardy - could and should be used as a cautionary tale to members of the current squad who might be tempted to move on to a ‘bigger’ club at some point. Personal circumstances differ so much player to player though. Drinkwater's move hasn't worked out but an amalgamation of stuff has lead to it, more so than any particular lack of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 1 hour ago, Tuna said: Can't see anyone in the premier league taking Drinkwater. Massive wages, injury problems and now (rightly or wrongly) with a reputation for off the field problems. Supposedly Aston Villa is taking a serious look, according to The Athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 46 minutes ago, Hammo said: Drinkwater’s dramatic decline - coupled with the rise and rise of Jamie Vardy - could and should be used as a cautionary tale to members of the current squad who might be tempted to move on to a ‘bigger’ club at some point. Come on now, if “look at what happened to Danny drinkwater” is the biggest bargaining chip to keep players at your club then I’d worry. Thankfully you seem to have owners who run the club well enough that there should be a host of tangible attractions to keep players at the club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillippaT Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 1 hour ago, Hammo said: Drinkwater’s dramatic decline - coupled with the rise and rise of Jamie Vardy - could and should be used as a cautionary tale to members of the current squad who might be tempted to move on to a ‘bigger’ club at some point. Is it a threat or a promise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 Always felt like Drinkwater never really got over being left out of the Euro 2016 squad, although that's probably a simplistic explanation for what as happened with him since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 Joao Pedro on the bench for Watford today, will be interesting to see if Pearson uses him this season much. Got the world at his feet, Watford are a strange club but they pick up some class players at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanguedocFox Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 23 hours ago, Md9 said: I see drinkwater has had his loan cancelled and gone back to Chelsea. Surely half a season loan to the championship would be good for him to get him some kind of form Just seen this. I know it's easy to sneer and to think that he did the Icarus thing, but he was a real star for us in both the Championship and when we won the title. I wonder if Big Nige will try to bring him to Watford, or if that boat has sailed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammo Posted 4 January 2020 Share Posted 4 January 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, henrik_62 said: Come on now, if “look at what happened to Danny drinkwater” is the biggest bargaining chip to keep players at your club then I’d worry. Thankfully you seem to have owners who run the club well enough that there should be a host of tangible attractions to keep players at the club. It’s not the ‘biggest bargaining chip’ at all - I never said it was - but it is there as an example of how the grass is potentially far from greener elsewhere and could be a factor in any negotiations. Edited 4 January 2020 by Hammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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