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Harvey Barnes

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9 minutes ago, StanSP said:

He does, just not consistently or with discipline. 

Well his pressing stats (or lack of them) in this side stand out like a sore thumb.

 

They are the worst by a player who isn't a centre back or Schmeichel (even worse than anchor men like Choudhury and Mendy). Basically presses half as much as the likes of Perez, Albrighton and Lookman in his same position. Also his pressures in the defensive third are 3 or 4 times less than those players.

 

His pressing stats in the middle 3rd even are less than Vardy, Iheanacho and Daka's which shows just how little he tracks back.

 

He even presses less than Vardy who we've all been told the past couple of seasons has been told to stay down the middle and conserve energy.

 

This is for a 24 year old winger not a 35 year old centre back.
 

Either he already has been instructed to have way less defensive responsibility than the likes of Lookman, Perez and Albrighton when they play in that position or he’s just an incredibly lazy player not pulling his weight.

 

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Those stats are per 90 mins btw.

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45 minutes ago, Sampson said:

What defensive duties?
 

Barnes never presses or tracks back like our other wingers/attacking midfielders do.

He was playing within 15 ft of Evans on sunday. Evans couldn't get a pass to him because he was so close.

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6 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

He was playing within 15 ft of Evans on sunday. Evans couldn't get a pass to him because he was so close.

That’s because he was literally playing out of position at wing back. For the only time in his Leicester career as far as I remember. That isn’t his norm.

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8 minutes ago, Sampson said:

That’s because he was literally playing out of position at wing back. For the only time in his Leicester career as far as I remember. That isn’t his norm.

Barnes played LWB at Villa Park in the league cup semi final. With Chilwell playing as a LCB.

 

Another Brendan masterclass that day

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Just now, moore_94 said:

21 goal contributions for the season with the 2 assists tonight

 

One of only 5 players to reach 20 goal contributions in a season since we have been back in the Prem - Vardy, Mahrez, Maddison, Iheanacho are the others

A few people have mentioned that we should sell him lol

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Has long been a biggest source of providing goals. He's having nowhere near the season he's capable of and yet he still is producing in patches. Just needs a proper momentum boost from whoever the management team is in the summer and really work on getting back to his best.

 

Loved how desperate he was to try and set up a 3rd for Vardy too, couple of times he was looking for him rather than go it alone as it opened up.

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Let’s not pretend he wasn’t very poor again first half. First “assist” wasn’t anything really just Vardy getting lucky with a deflection. Second one was a decent run and pass. But Norwhich were abysmal. Let’s see some consistency please 

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1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

21 goal contributions for the season with the 2 assists tonight

 

One of only 5 players to reach 20 goal contributions in a season since we have been back in the Prem - Vardy, Mahrez, Maddison, Iheanacho are the others

sell him lol 

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1st half, not great. 2nd half reminded me of how lethal he and Vardy can be when they find a bit of form together.

 

As I said in the Lookman transfer thread, I think it's really worth us signing Ade to compete with Barnes on the left. Really push Barnes to get back to the kind of form we saw from him in the 2nd half tonight. Love it when he's on-song like that. Just bulldozes through players with his pace and directness.

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Vardy is the kind of striker that makes an intelligent enough run at the time that benefits Barnes. Iheanacho can be a bit unpredictable in that sense. 

 

Nonetheless, Barnes looked like he picked up a bit more confidence yesterday which can only be a good thing. 

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Has to play again on Sunday - otherwise he will lose what little rhythm yesterdays second half has given him …….the kid is desperately out of form - his touch and decision making woeful. That cold easily change like a flick of a switch ……we may have seen that yesterday …..let’s see on Sunday ….l

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Will benefit from having a class RW on the other side, far to easy for teams to double up on him as one of our main threats.

 

How many players can have a average season off form in a team that's struggled and get 21 goal contributions, including 12 in the PL. 

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12 hours ago, FLAN said:

Let’s not pretend he wasn’t very poor again first half. First “assist” wasn’t anything really just Vardy getting lucky with a deflection. Second one was a decent run and pass. But Norwhich were abysmal. Let’s see some consistency please 

Nonsense. It was an assist. It was a great pass into the channel

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1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Nonsense. It was an assist. It was a great pass into the channel

Touching the ball prior to another player scoring a massively deflected goal may technically be an assist. The issue with Barnes is poor overall contribution in harder games which makes us weaker at a time when other players are below required levels 

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14 hours ago, moore_94 said:

21 goal contributions for the season with the 2 assists tonight

 

One of only 5 players to reach 20 goal contributions in a season since we have been back in the Prem - Vardy, Mahrez, Maddison, Iheanacho are the others

 

13 minutes ago, FLAN said:

Touching the ball prior to another player scoring a massively deflected goal may technically be an assist. The issue with Barnes is poor overall contribution in harder games which makes us weaker at a time when other players are below required levels 

Whoops 

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11 minutes ago, FLAN said:

Touching the ball prior to another player scoring a massively deflected goal may technically be an assist. The issue with Barnes is poor overall contribution in harder games which makes us weaker at a time when other players are below required levels 

There was an assist taken off him recently though that won't count in his stats where he'd been excellent for for the goal - the own goal at home to Roma as own goals don't count when you set them up for some reason.

 

He's still delivering and yet we all know he can and will do so much better. Nobody can deny that regardless of his form he contributes goals and assists. Thankfully last night he looked much more dangerous once he'd had a hand in the goals, just a shame he wasn't as confident last weekend vs Everton as he had 3 chances I reckon with confidence he'd have buried.

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45 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

There was an assist taken off him recently though that won't count in his stats where he'd been excellent for for the goal - the own goal at home to Roma as own goals don't count when you set them up for some reason.

 

He's still delivering and yet we all know he can and will do so much better. Nobody can deny that regardless of his form he contributes goals and assists. Thankfully last night he looked much more dangerous once he'd had a hand in the goals, just a shame he wasn't as confident last weekend vs Everton as he had 3 chances I reckon with confidence he'd have buried.

Didn’t know that so I guess that’s swings and roundabouts. No doubt he had a decent second half but how long  can he be allowed to remain so inconsistent?

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Big season for him next year unless he gets the move he wants. (on 5.2M a year so maybe Newcastle favourites?)

 

Has been poor by his own admission this season and the fact that Rodgers has dropped him on occasions for our loan RW'r and played our most creative player out of position on the RW (JM) suggests he feels the same.

 

An outstanding championship player as proved at West Brom and plays well against poorer premiership sides (Norwich lost 12 out of last 14) . He's got to learn to do it against quality.

 

Accommodating him has a detrimental effect on the choice of team and set up IMO. We have played 6 'right wingers'- Lookman is a better LW than RW, JM shouldn't be moved from 10 position and last seasons top scorer and Vardys support and 'legs' was dropped for HB following his injury and double Covid bouts

 

Setting up last night with a fit (hypothetically) Fofana in a 3 with Dan/ Soyuncu and Evans (that would eliminate the need for the Mendy bail out) Wingbacks (choice of 5 if all fit) and Vardy (in his 36 year and needs support) with Iheanacho and forget the wing tinkering

 

1-3-4-1-2  trust me :scarf:

 

 

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Seems to have very good synergy with Thomas and has gone off the boil as Thomas has been sidelined. Although you cant argue with the stats, it just feels Barnes has more to give.

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All of our best football under Rodgers has featured Barnes. I used wyscout’s free trial recently and watched Barnes’ goals and assists from this season back. 
 

He’s at his best when we move the ball quickly, which we’ve done so infrequently this season it hampers his game.

 

The goals against Leeds and Villa this season were textbook Barnes, strong running and two different sorts of excellent finishes. If we can look to isolate him against a fullback with a bit of space they usually can’t cope. 
 

I used to read a lot more coaching/tactical pieces than I do now but one of the main features of Guardiola’s philosophy is to deliberately build up to create superiorities on the pitch. Whether they’re quantitative (overloads) or qualitative (player quality mismatches eg. Pace, strength, skill)). We should look to build up on the right more often to create 1 v 1s on the left for Barnes.

 

The last time Barnes was regularly in those circumstances was against West Ham, Coufal couldn’t hack it all and got  dragged off on 67 minutes.

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