ARM1968 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 Think people are too quick to criticise Harvey. His numbers are amongst the best of any English wingers. On numbers alone both he and Madders should be in the dull as fook England squad. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 1 hour ago, FLAN said: Where is Brendan? He's one of the most productive dribblers in the world 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 Based on the face we don't counter attack and it's important to pass the ball back to our deepest lying player when winning the ball back. It's probably not a surprise that Harvey's dribble output is almost non-existent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzFOX Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 Against forest barnes needs to be going hell for leather at the defense every time he receives the ball. Keep prodding and poking that back line. Don’t want him ever to pass the ball back yes he may lose it a few times but rather we lose possession up top rather then in midfield or defense. this is what lookman used to do he always attacked 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LVFox Posted 26 September 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 26 September 2022 He currently looks like the prime example of a player who knows he has zero competition for his place. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 I’m not sure its anything to do with style of play tbh. If you look at his dribble success rate it’s in the bottom 10th percentile at around 40%. He does run down a lot of dead ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basildon Fox Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 Another player that has not recovered from a bad knee injury back to his best. Nowhere near the levels he was at before the injury and was a dark horse for an England place at Euro 2020. Just looks half arsed these days... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 2 hours ago, AjcW said: Where is Brendan? He's one of the most productive dribblers in the world And scribbler. Boy can that dwarf scribble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 3 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Another player that has not recovered from a bad knee injury back to his best. Nowhere near the levels he was at before the injury and was a dark horse for an England place at Euro 2020. Just looks half arsed these days... With the exception of Maddison not one of our injured players seems to be back at their best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnow john Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 25 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: And scribbler. Boy can that dwarf scribble. Dwarf scribbler, sounds like one of Gandalfs crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 An out and out winger whose managers asks him to constantly be narrow and come inside. BR is destroying him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. James Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 I blame Rodgers for a lot but with Barnes l really dont see it's his fault. Barnes has never really developed his game as international class players do, he is to me a one trick pony who can be and is worked out very quickly and nullified by opposition defenders. Like others l dont think the lad is very bright. Lookman was consistent without the flash of Barnes but I'd take him over Barnes every time, lets not even mention defensive duties (it's every man on deck atm). For me Barnes is a luxury we simply cannot afford, effective one game in five at best, if we had a manager willing to hook him after 25 mins of an "off day" fair enough (what this would do to confidence mind is another story) but right now l would put him on the bench for a 20 min cameo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 44 minutes ago, Lako42 said: An out and out winger whose managers asks him to constantly be narrow and come inside. BR is destroying him He's right footed, he's being played as inverted winger, hardly somethng that Rodgers can be blamed for, it's how the game is played nowadays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, ARM1968 said: Think people are too quick to criticise Harvey. His numbers are amongst the best of any English wingers. On numbers alone both he and Madders should be in the dull as fook England squad. Mainly because there aren't many good English wingers. Barnes best return for us in the league is 9 goals. Hardly amazing. Edited 26 September 2022 by Fox92 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lako42 said: An out and out winger whose managers asks him to constantly be narrow and come inside. BR is destroying him He plays on the left and comes inside, done it all along, look at some of his goals out on loan. Issue with Barnes is that he doesn't take defenders on. How many times does he just stop and pass the ball back. A very inconsistent player. Edited 26 September 2022 by Fox92 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAN Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 48 minutes ago, J. James said: I blame Rodgers for a lot but with Barnes l really dont see it's his fault. Barnes has never really developed his game as international class players do, he is to me a one trick pony who can be and is worked out very quickly and nullified by opposition defenders. Like others l dont think the lad is very bright. Lookman was consistent without the flash of Barnes but I'd take him over Barnes every time, lets not even mention defensive duties (it's every man on deck atm). For me Barnes is a luxury we simply cannot afford, effective one game in five at best, if we had a manager willing to hook him after 25 mins of an "off day" fair enough (what this would do to confidence mind is another story) but right now l would put him on the bench for a 20 min cameo. This is my main issue. A luxury we can ill afford right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 (edited) I’ve always felt that he doesn’t show up in tough games. He scored a few big goals before his injury and i thought he might have turned a corner but in general i feel he shys away whenever the going gets tough. Another one who perhaps mentally needs some work. I don’t think it’s a coincidence his best performances came when there were no fans. But I think he’s the least of our worries right now. He has a huge part to play for us in the next few games, we need output!! Edited 26 September 2022 by Lambert09 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claridge Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 Barnes is one of the most vital players we have, plays well we win , if he doesn't, there is very little after Maddison maybe Youri to create anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. James Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 3 minutes ago, Claridge said: Barnes is one of the most vital players we have, plays well we win , if he doesn't, there is very little after Maddison maybe Youri to create anything And therein lies the problem, he isn't playing anything close to well and we are losing, not his fault because he should be benched and Rodgers should adapt by playing a different system - fat chance of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claridge Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 no way should Barnes be benched, it's the clowns behind him that are the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceebeefox Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 The hardest thing in football is to pick up the ball and get past your opponent. He needs to be encouraged to continually face his fullback and take him on. Brendan sadly deems keeping possession more important. On the same subject Demari Gray is looking good, who did he play for? He needed, like all wingers an arm round him and an assurance of a ten game run at least and he’d have been a match winner for us. What a waste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 4 hours ago, hackneyfox said: He's right footed, he's being played as inverted winger, hardly somethng that Rodgers can be blamed for, it's how the game is played nowadays. I know that, but he's narrow before he's even received the ball. He's not starting wide and cutting in with pace, he's already narrow and marking himself out of the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 Harvey’s numbers are more than decent but is anyone claiming that he’s been in good form or consistent since his knee injury?? of course that means if he does get himself together we do have one hell of a player …… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_forever Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 Some of the criticism of Barnes here isn't justified. But the problem is we're playing a system that is essentially built around him - we have no other direct wingers and we're so lopsided with teams destroying us on our right side in particular. And it's difficult to pick him and Ihenacho in the same team unless you play 4-4-2 where our midfield gets overrun, or put Ihenacho on his own upfront which doesn't work as well as Ihenacho alongside Vardy or Daka. Based on the fact that Ihenacho's record has remained strong in the minutes he's played, I'd pick Ihenacho over Barnes, switching to either a diamond or 3-5-2. Given our defensive problems and a lack of an in-form DM, 3-5-2 is the logical move. And before anyone says we've been poor in 3-5-2, the only point we've got this season is in that formation and the first 60 mins was easily the best we've played this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 26 September 2022 Share Posted 26 September 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said: Some of the criticism of Barnes here isn't justified. But the problem is we're playing a system that is essentially built around him - we have no other direct wingers and we're so lopsided with teams destroying us on our right side in particular. And it's difficult to pick him and Ihenacho in the same team unless you play 4-4-2 where our midfield gets overrun, or put Ihenacho on his own upfront which doesn't work as well as Ihenacho alongside Vardy or Daka. Based on the fact that Ihenacho's record has remained strong in the minutes he's played, I'd pick Ihenacho over Barnes, switching to either a diamond or 3-5-2. Given our defensive problems and a lack of an in-form DM, 3-5-2 is the logical move. And before anyone says we've been poor in 3-5-2, the only point we've got this season is in that formation and the first 60 mins was easily the best we've played this season. 352 isn’t a problem if we actually play 3 cbs and not a dm. but rodgers simply won’t drop wilf Edited 26 September 2022 by Lambert09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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