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LaCiudad

Goal kicks and pace of game

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Just now, TheUltimateWinner said:

I can see why we do it, allow the opposition to press and draw players out. However 2-1 down with 5 minutes left to play we don’t have time to fanny around at the back. We should be pushing forward.

Only works if we can beat their press and we can't do that passing it backwards

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Honestly winds me up that we have no capacity for pragmatism, it's this way or this way, no other option. We kept ****ing around against Man City and we did it again today and nobody on or off the pitch sought the change it when it was clearly not working. 

 

They had it sussed today, a press in the 442 completely removes the ball into the DM and by the time the ball is worked out to the full backs their wide players are on you. We have absolutely no idea how to do anything different so we spent the whole game playing into their hands and making it impossible for ourselves.

 

Tbh it's where a player like Grealish (probably more peak Wilshere tbh) comes in cos he takes it by the scruff of the neck and carries the ball, likely draws the foul. Ricardo aside, our guys almost always look for the pass in their own half. 

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10 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Honestly winds me up that we have no capacity for pragmatism, it's this way or this way, no other option. We kept ****ing around against Man City and we did it again today and nobody on or off the pitch sought the change it when it was clearly not working. 

 

They had it sussed today, a press in the 442 completely removes the ball into the DM and by the time the ball is worked out to the full backs their wide players are on you. We have absolutely no idea how to do anything different so we spent the whole game playing into their hands and making it impossible for ourselves. 

Whilst we play this way, we won't win.

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2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

We’ve lost our bravery to beat a decent press 

 

it was working earlier in the season ... it’s not now because we’ve lost our confidence to show for the brave pass and make another one ...

Because teams know they can make us jittery in our own 18 yard box from our own goal kicks.

They also know they'll have time to regroup as we slowly take corners, throw ins and free kicks.

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1 minute ago, LaCiudad said:

Because teams know they can make us jittery in our own 18 yard box from our own goal kicks.

They also know they'll have time to regroup as we slowly take corners, throw ins and free kicks.

Quick free kick today got us a goal .....

 

though the insistence that madders has to take every corner pees me off ....  

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On 11/01/2020 at 17:18, LaCiudad said:

Two things are holding us back imo.

1. The style we have adopted from goal kicks allowing teams to press us and close us down

2. The pace we play at jogging slowly to take throw ins, corners and set pieces

Both should be fixable

The goal kicks again

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15 minutes ago, LaCiudad said:

The goal kicks again

And the throw ins. Both points valid again. 

 

there was a break away that Vardy won a throw in and I was looking at the space we had if Barnes had just jogged over and taken it quickly. Instead he stuck to the ‘plan’ and waited for Fuchs to come and take it and by then everyone was in position and we wasted it.

 

instinct is half of what makes a great footballer, sometimes you just have to go off the feeling that you can catch a team napping.

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On 11/01/2020 at 17:18, LaCiudad said:

Two things are holding us back imo.

1. The style we have adopted from goal kicks allowing teams to press us and close us down

2. The pace we play at jogging slowly to take throw ins, corners and set pieces

Both should be fixable

This again. How many times....

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When we play it quick and pass it around we are unstoppable, but during the dip we are slow and predictable, especially when teams sit in.

 The passing again down to believe at the minute is safe, and when we do try something a bit more adventurous it just isn’t coming off, and kasper just cannot pass full stop

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3 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

When we play it quick and pass it around we are unstoppable, but during the dip we are slow and predictable, especially when teams sit in.

 The passing again down to believe at the minute is safe, and when we do try something a bit more adventurous it just isn’t coming off, and kasper just cannot pass full stop

Even when we are losing we play at a pace as though we are winning

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3 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

When we play it quick and pass it around we are unstoppable, but during the dip we are slow and predictable, especially when teams sit in.

 The passing again down to believe at the minute is safe, and when we do try something a bit more adventurous it just isn’t coming off, and kasper just cannot pass full stop

totally wrong approach for today's game bar first 15 mins

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Lost count of the amount of times this season we have a goal kick and by the time they cut back from the replay we've lost it on the edge of our own box lol

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4 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Lost count of the amount of times this season we have a goal kick and by the time they cut back from the replay we've lost it on the edge of our own box lol

That is my abiding memory of the Liverpool game. Happened pretty much every time. 

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The difference is the first past through the press. City face a high press every week and it’s either a cut through pass or ball over the first line.  Tonight we just went sideways and invited it higher and higher or pumped it long.  Villa found a way over two legs to do a job on us, and we’ve lacked the quality of a City or Liverpool to turn one pass into an attack through the midfield.

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Just now, Benji said:

The difference is the first past through the press. City face a high press every week and it’s either a cut through pass or ball over the first line.  Tonight we just went sideways and invited it higher and higher or pumped it long.  Villa found a way over two legs to do a job on us, and we’ve lacked the quality of a City or Liverpool to turn one pass into an attack through the midfield.

Did that tonight, makes the attitude and desire seem non existent

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