Jon the Hat Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 14 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said: Why should anybody be pressured into having sex with anyone? The implication is that if you find women attractive, but not trans women, then you are transphobic. Even if those trans women have a cock and you don’t find cocks attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: The implication is that if you find women attractive, but not trans women, then you are transphobic. Even if those trans women have a cock and you don’t find cocks attractive. Which then makes you a misogynist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 9 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: The implication is that if you find women attractive, but not trans women, then you are transphobic. Even if those trans women have a cock and you don’t find cocks attractive. I'm assuming that you read urbans earlier post and see the nuance in the topic in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 14 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Things are changing linguistically so fast that a woman who lost her job for saying biological sex exists because that was considered transphobic, won support from JK Rowling who put across the women’s safety argument in a 3000 word essay, saying many times she also supports trans rights. But because she has a contrary position she’s treated like she’s Queen TERF, and the situation is so toxic around it she wasn’t even invited to talk about the 20 year anniversary of the Harry Potter films. This is where there must be distinction drawn between actual trans people and trans activists - the latter of whom aren’t even always trans. Last year on GMB Piers Morgan had a debate between an actual trans woman and a LGBT activist and the trans woman was in full agreement with JK Rowling. 14 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Where we’re at currently is biological women who just want freedom from biological men, and trans women ( and trans men) who just want to be accepted and live their lives like my mate’s husband is doing, like normal human beings. It’s culturally a huge issue online, where there’s no in between permitted generally, with the extremes being the loudest. So, this is what I was talking about extremes. You'd be forgiven for saying so what, she's a billionaire, she can stand up for herself, even in the face of this sort of thing: She's even had pipe bomb threats on twitter; but it's not about her. There's many, many women without a public profile who are hounded, harassed, threatened, attacked; simply for having a different point of view. Because the extremists are trying to push the idea that having this different point of view - about biology and women only spaces for vulnerable biological women - is *actual* violence towards trans people and is a direct threat to their existence. Most recently a lesbian Lecturer at Sussex University resigned after she was subjected to protests, intimidation campaigns and abuse: Not so say that some people don't 'earn' the abuse they get - Graham Linehan (Father Ted, IT Crowd) destroyed his own career and marriage with his obsession on this issue, calling trans people groomers and targeting trans charities until he was kicked off twitter. But then he wasn't entirely wrong about the medicalisation of children: 14 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Another problem that self ID is creating is that thanks to activists and some organisations, more and more young people are deciding they’re trans and end up becoming medicalised. As in, some children as young as 3 are being referred to trans treatment clinics and when they’re about to go through puberty, are put on puberty blockers which prevents the natural process from happening. This is still fairly new and there’s a lot of controversy around it, as the looong term effects aren’t really known. Lots of people object to it on other grounds, such as age of consent and the irresponsibility medicalising young people for life. There’s a lot of people “detransitioning”, believing they were given the wrong treatment and were medicalised before natural puberty could take place. Someone won a case recently because she went through ‘top surgery’ (had her breasts removed) based on the treatment she’d been given because of her dysphoria, then later decided to live as a woman again. Her argument was that the charity and clinic had used her vulnerability to make life changing body alterations when she deserved better care. Mermaids and the Tavistock Clinic are both extremely controversial because while they're there to support trans people and help them with their dysphoria, less 'liberal' parents and detrans campaigners are saying they are just telling vulnerable children that they should just transition and put them on medical treatments instead of treating their mental health issues. Again, this is all just opinion and I don't want to 'harm' anyone, feminist or trans, for saying what I'm seeing. It's a hugely sensitive and confusing topic, I just can't stand such extreme attitudes on any side of any topic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 18 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: So, this is what I was talking about extremes. You'd be forgiven for saying so what, she's a billionaire, she can stand up for herself, even in the face of this sort of thing: She's even had pipe bomb threats on twitter; but it's not about her. There's many, many women without a public profile who are hounded, harassed, threatened, attacked; simply for having a different point of view. Because the extremists are trying to push the idea that having this different point of view - about biology and women only spaces for vulnerable biological women - is *actual* violence towards trans people and is a direct threat to their existence. Most recently a lesbian Lecturer at Sussex University resigned after she was subjected to protests, intimidation campaigns and abuse: Not so say that some people don't 'earn' the abuse they get - Graham Linehan (Father Ted, IT Crowd) destroyed his own career and marriage with his obsession on this issue, calling trans people groomers and targeting trans charities until he was kicked off twitter. But then he wasn't entirely wrong about the medicalisation of children: Mermaids and the Tavistock Clinic are both extremely controversial because while they're there to support trans people and help them with their dysphoria, less 'liberal' parents and detrans campaigners are saying they are just telling vulnerable children that they should just transition and put them on medical treatments instead of treating their mental health issues. Again, this is all just opinion and I don't want to 'harm' anyone, feminist or trans, for saying what I'm seeing. It's a hugely sensitive and confusing topic, I just can't stand such extreme attitudes on any side of any topic. The views in extremis help no one, that's for sure. But I'm also at a loss as to how to best encourage the most marginalised demographic in the UK to become more socially accepted, and I grow tired of seeing friends of mine being subjected to abuse simply by experiencing dysphoria and wanting to correct it. And, with respect, sometimes that threat to their existence is real - again, more so than any other demographic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 10 minutes ago, leicsmac said: The views in extremis help no one, that's for sure. But I'm also at a loss as to how to best encourage the most marginalised demographic in the UK to become more socially accepted, and I grow tired of seeing friends of mine being subjected to abuse simply by experiencing dysphoria and wanting to correct it. And, with respect, sometimes that threat to their existence is real - again, more so than any other demographic. Probably the same way homosexuals have managed to become more socially accepted, time and education. These changes don't happen overnight and expecting it to correct itself by force in a short length of time, regardless of intent or fairness, is imo a bit misguided. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 1 minute ago, Innovindil said: Probably the same way homosexuals have managed to become more socially accepted, time and education. These changes don't happen overnight and expecting it to correct itself by force in a short length of time, regardless of intent or fairness, is imo a bit misguided. I can't disagree there, particularly the second paragraph. It's just extremely unfortunate the cost that will have to be paid in the meantime, and I do wish there were another way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Rod Hull Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 7 hours ago, leicsmac said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59369492 This is pretty awful. Black supremist attack ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgtuk Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 53 minutes ago, I am Rod Hull said: Black supremist attack ? What’s a supremist? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rain King Posted 22 November 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 22 November 2021 1 minute ago, jgtuk said: What’s a supremist? Massive fans of Diana Ross. 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Rod Hull Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 9 minutes ago, jgtuk said: What’s a supremist? 8 minutes ago, Rain King said: Massive fans of Diana Ross. Sorry about that, I`m not the cleverest on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 1 hour ago, I am Rod Hull said: Black supremist attack ? man fleeing from a knife fight scene. why do people always have to come up with a colour? Can’t it just be a sickening and violent crime? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MPH said: man fleeing from a knife fight scene. why do people always have to come up with a colour? Can’t it just be a sickening and violent crime? I havent seen any reference to colour in the reports ? It wouldnt have relevance in any case Edited 22 November 2021 by st albans fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 2 hours ago, I am Rod Hull said: Black supremist attack ? 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: I havent seen any reference to colour in the reports ? It would have relevance in any case i was quoting this guy. And I’m assuming you meant it would NOT have relevance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 Just now, MPH said: i was quoting this guy. And I’m assuming you meant it would NOT have relevance? Yes. - corrected how does he know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Yes. - corrected how does he know ? no one does. but from what I can see they have know concluded that the guy was fleeing the scene of a knife fight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCCHRIS Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 12 minutes ago, MPH said: no one does. but from what I can see they have know concluded that the guy was fleeing the scene of a knife fight I agree best not to assume it's about race until that's actually confirmed or more details. I know the media tend to do this however. Looking like he intentionally ran down people. If it's a knife incident you'd assume that he'd simply drive a few blocks away, lock the doors. No need to plow through a parade full of kids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 22 November 2021 Share Posted 22 November 2021 29 minutes ago, LCFCCHRIS said: I agree best not to assume it's about race until that's actually confirmed or more details. I know the media tend to do this however. Looking like he intentionally ran down people. If it's a knife incident you'd assume that he'd simply drive a few blocks away, lock the doors. No need to plow through a parade full of kids. unless of course he’s been a very naughty boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 23 November 2021 Share Posted 23 November 2021 6 hours ago, I am Rod Hull said: Black supremist attack ? 4 hours ago, MPH said: man fleeing from a knife fight scene. why do people always have to come up with a colour? Can’t it just be a sickening and violent crime? 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: Yes. - corrected how does he know ? 4 hours ago, LCFCCHRIS said: I agree best not to assume it's about race until that's actually confirmed or more details. I know the media tend to do this however. Looking like he intentionally ran down people. If it's a knife incident you'd assume that he'd simply drive a few blocks away, lock the doors. No need to plow through a parade full of kids. More on the above: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59378571 "Waukesha police also said the incident was not an act of terrorism." The fuzz don't think it was ideologically motivated then. Seems like a criminal fleeing a scene and panicked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 23 November 2021 Share Posted 23 November 2021 Just A reminder if you are on twitter.. you should probably follow this... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 23 November 2021 Share Posted 23 November 2021 ‘A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing ‘ now extrapolate to include the internet ………. the problem is authorities who decide to try and stop this stuff are doing exactly what the conspiracists accuse them of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 23 November 2021 Share Posted 23 November 2021 I've never seen Succession as I don't have a) Sky TV or b) a long enough attention span, but I still found this interesting, although not surprising in the slightest: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/22/therapist-super-rich-succession-billionaires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 23 November 2021 Share Posted 23 November 2021 20 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: So, this is what I was talking about extremes. You'd be forgiven for saying so what, she's a billionaire, she can stand up for herself, even in the face of this sort of thing: She's even had pipe bomb threats on twitter; but it's not about her. There's many, many women without a public profile who are hounded, harassed, threatened, attacked; simply for having a different point of view. Because the extremists are trying to push the idea that having this different point of view - about biology and women only spaces for vulnerable biological women - is *actual* violence towards trans people and is a direct threat to their existence. Most recently a lesbian Lecturer at Sussex University resigned after she was subjected to protests, intimidation campaigns and abuse: Not so say that some people don't 'earn' the abuse they get - Graham Linehan (Father Ted, IT Crowd) destroyed his own career and marriage with his obsession on this issue, calling trans people groomers and targeting trans charities until he was kicked off twitter. But then he wasn't entirely wrong about the medicalisation of children: Mermaids and the Tavistock Clinic are both extremely controversial because while they're there to support trans people and help them with their dysphoria, less 'liberal' parents and detrans campaigners are saying they are just telling vulnerable children that they should just transition and put them on medical treatments instead of treating their mental health issues. Again, this is all just opinion and I don't want to 'harm' anyone, feminist or trans, for saying what I'm seeing. It's a hugely sensitive and confusing topic, I just can't stand such extreme attitudes on any side of any topic. Personally I think it's outrageous that JK Rowling decided to put her house right where some activists were innocently taking a photo. Such blatant provocation - she's not even trying to hide her bigotry any more... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 23 November 2021 Share Posted 23 November 2021 43 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Personally I think it's outrageous that JK Rowling decided to put her house right where some activists were innocently taking a photo. Such blatant provocation - she's not even trying to hide her bigotry any more... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 23 November 2021 Share Posted 23 November 2021 15 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Jesus Christ. What a rag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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