Coronavirus Thread

[Farrington fox]

7 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

 

 

I hope every day that they follow after Austria and make the vaccine compulsory.

Firstly I'm not anti vax, I've had both. If you're talking about the general population, my hope is that you'll remain disappointed. That is authoritarianism by any stretch. Forcing people to have a medical procedure, my god, and you work in the NHS presumably.

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Firstly I'm not anti vax, I've had both. If you're talking about the general population, my hope is that you'll remain disappointed. That is authoritarianism by any stretch. Forcing people to have a medical procedure, my god, and you work in the NHS presumably.

Yep, they do.

 

And they have seen firsthand the effects unvaccinated Covid patients have had on the hospitals, the staff, the people waiting for "non-essential" procedures, and most of all the patients themselves. As such I'm inclined to take what they say seriously.

 

Authoritarianism it may well be, but lest we forget here, the opponent we face here isn't human and cannot be bought, intimidated or negotiated with.

[z-layrex]

10 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Firstly I'm not anti vax, I've had both. If you're talking about the general population, my hope is that you'll remain disappointed. That is authoritarianism by any stretch. Forcing people to have a medical procedure, my god, and you work in the NHS presumably.

They made the smallpox vaccine compulsory in this country in 1853, and hey, guess what children don't die horribly of anymore?

 

I really hate to break this to you but everyone I've met in the NHS agrees it should be compulsory.

[z-layrex]

We currently are looking after a young girl with Leukaemia and no immune system in a covid bay on the icu because we don't have the specialist nurses needed to safely isolate her. This is because of the amount of 100% unvaccinated covid patients we are admitting. This is what it has come to.

[jgtuk]

12 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

We currently are looking after a young girl with Leukaemia and no immune system in a covid bay on the icu because we don't have the specialist nurses needed to safely isolate her. This is because of the amount of 100% unvaccinated covid patients we are admitting. This is what it has come to.

I have Lymphoma and my immune system is similar to that poor girl. I’m sick of telling people that they should be using every tool available to help protect themselves and in turn that girl in your icu. That includes mask wearing, social distancing and vaccinations. 
All power to you mate for doing what you do 👏🏻

[Farrington fox]

41 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

They made the smallpox vaccine compulsory in this country in 1853, and hey, guess what children don't die horribly of anymore?

 

I really hate to break this to you but everyone I've met in the NHS agrees it should be compulsory.

We can debate this til the cows come home. Fact is I won't change your views, but I respect them nonetheless. And you won't change mine. All the best.

[Super_horns]

2 hours ago, z-layrex said:

We currently are looking after a young girl with Leukaemia and no immune system in a covid bay on the icu because we don't have the specialist nurses needed to safely isolate her. This is because of the amount of 100% unvaccinated covid patients we are admitting. This is what it has come to.

Sort of story that needs to get out but guess the anti vaccine people won’t care .

[WigstonWanderer]

3 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

It's strange that (apparently) so many NHS workers don't seem to believe in a fundamental principle of healthcare.  You would have thought they would be all in favour of simple preventative medicine.

I’d be very uneasy if I were in hospital being potentially treated by people who do not appear to believe in the science of vaccination. It is also potentially dangerous if more radical antivax militants act to sabotage vaccination programs from within, or maybe other aspects of healthcare of which their ideology disapproves.

 

This nurse in Perth was caught pretending to administer the vaccine.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/08/western-australia-nurse-who-allegedly-faked-giving-covid-vaccine-to-teenager-charged

 

In this case I believe it was to allow other antivax people to fraudulently obtain vaccine certification, but a similar technique could also be used to deny people who want the vaccine from actually getting it.

 

No sympathy for these people whatsoever. They really don’t belong in the healthcare profession.

[WigstonWanderer]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Yep, they do.

 

And they have seen firsthand the effects unvaccinated Covid patients have had on the hospitals, the staff, the people waiting for "non-essential" procedures, and most of all the patients themselves. As such I'm inclined to take what they say seriously.

 

Authoritarianism it may well be, but lest we forget here, the opponent we face here isn't human and cannot be bought, intimidated or negotiated with.

I’m not so sure about directly forcing people to have medical procedures, but I am fully in favour of letting them take the full consequences of their actions. For example, I think there is good reason to make the unvaccinated pay for Covid treatment in hospital (means tested). And before anyone pipes up with “fat people and smokers” whataboutery, if it was as simple as getting a vaccine to ward off being fat or to stop smoking, then yes, anyone forgoing such treatment should also be charged.

Edited 23 November 2021 by WigstonWanderer

[Parafox]

26 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

No sympathy for these people whatsoever. They really don’t belong in the healthcare profession.

Exactly right. As I've said previously, if you work with potentially vulnerable people either in hospital or in care homes or in the community, and you CARE, about patients, residents or clients, then get a vaccine. If you don't want it, get a different job. Simple as that.

Edited 23 November 2021 by Parafox

[st albans fox]

Those working in front line healthcare are more likely to be infected, especially if they have to work on covid wards 

 

if they choose not to be vaccinated then they are more likely to be worse affected once infected. and that also increases the likelihood that they will miss more work as a consequence. Is this one of the reasons for the edict that they must be vaccinated ?  I doubt it but if you were running a department it would have occurs to you.  Having to pay staff for being at home after a severe case of covid after they chose not to be vaccinated……..

[Raj]

I personally cant understand the damn right arrogance of people against the vaccinations.

I wouldnt mind if the ones I know are the fittest,healthiest people I know, but they are far from it.

They probably put more crap into their body on a daily basis yet all of a sudden they turn into the Charles Atlas(look him up kids!) Of unrivalled health and fitness!

[Parafox]

29 minutes ago, Raj said:

I personally cant understand the damn right arrogance of people against the vaccinations.

I wouldnt mind if the ones I know are the fittest,healthiest people I know, but they are far from it.

They probably put more crap into their body on a daily basis yet all of a sudden they turn into the Charles Atlas(look him up kids!) Of unrivalled health and fitness!

If there was a vaccine to prevent cancer or premature death, for example, how many would refuse?

Edited 23 November 2021 by Parafox

[st albans fox]

25 minutes ago, Parafox said:

If there was a vaccine to prevent cancer or premature death, for example, how any would refuse?

Depends what their Facebook friends tell them ………

[Parafox]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Depends what their Facebook friends tell them ………

And that's what makes them stupid

[Paninistickers]

27 minutes ago, Raj said:

I personally cant understand the damn right arrogance of people against the vaccinations.

I wouldnt mind if the ones I know are the fittest,healthiest people I know, but they are far from it.

They probably put more crap into their body on a daily basis yet all of a sudden they turn into the Charles Atlas(look him up kids!) Of unrivalled health and fitness!

I'm quite comfortable with the unvaccinated being denied ventilator treatment. Basically anyone healthy shouldn't end up on one and anyone unhealthy should live (or die) with their choice. 

 

As far as I know however, got first hand from an icu nurse freind at qmc, the selection criteria for ventilators is fairly strict and, it's little mentioned that the elderly, co morbidites and fat ****s never get near a ventilator. Can @z-layrexconfirm? 

[FoxyPV]

[SpacedX]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Depends what their Facebook friends tell them ………

Or Talk Radio. 

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

I’m afraid it will have to far clearer than that …..they will be confused by there being more than one circle and different colours …

[Raj]

33 minutes ago, Parafox said:

If there was a vaccine to prevent cancer or premature death, for example, how many would refuse?

 

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Depends what their Facebook friends tell them ………

 

I'm afraid if it wasnt so true it would be funny.

Someone's Auntys mates mum who cleaned the toilets at the Hospital or some hysterical American who might have an ounce of credibility and they believe them and the rest of us are sheep!

[Raj]

I'm personally still struggling to get my breath and I'm on day 8.

Still non stop coughing fits and really really tired.

I'll be off work for another week.

I'm glad I'm x2 vaccinated but I KNOW full well the anti vaxxer brigade at my work will be saying" See hes double vaccinated but hes still got it bad!"

 

They think it's ironic if I will say atleast its probably  saved me a trip to icy.

Their response will be" You dont know that though, without the vaccine you might have had NO symptoms!!"

 

Unbelievable 

[Parafox]

9 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

Doesn't make sense. Confusing graphic with no explanation.

[Parafox]

56 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Doesn't make sense. Confusing graphic with no explanation.

Maybe I'm just a bit thick.

[Stevosevic]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

Doesn't make sense. Confusing graphic with no explanation.

Its showing the proportions of those vaccinated/unvaccinated in the population and that are in hospital. 

 

Aka numbers of people vaccinated/unvaccinated in hospital are similar but far more people in the population are vaccinated. Therefore you're much less likely to end up in hospital if you're vaccinated. 

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Its showing the proportions of those vaccinated/unvaccinated in the population and that are in hospital. 

 

Aka numbers of people vaccinated/unvaccinated in hospital are similar but far more people in the population are vaccinated. Therefore you're much less likely to end up in hospital if you're vaccinated. 

I was being facetious but the fact that you feel the need to explain it means the majority of anti vaxers won’t get past the date on the tweet  ……