Coronavirus Thread

[SpacedX]

COPIED AND PASTED FROM THE CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD

 

Around 12 young people (aged under 35) die every week in the UK from an undiagnosed heart condition. A significant proportion of these are due to inherited cardiac conditions such as abnormalities of heart muscle function or abnormalities of electrical function of the heart, which are undiagnosed at the time of cardiac arrest. Other causes include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis) and a heart attack due to a blocked artery. 

 

There is indeed a problem. Cardiac specialists have been highlighting this for years - and they aren't necessarily being listened to. Nothing kills athletes under 30 in the UK more regularly than sudden cardiac arrest. Every year, 600 people die before reaching the age of 35 from undiagnosed heart conditions. High-profile athlete deaths certainly catch the media’s attention, but many studies including this one published six years ago in 'Circulation', the American Heart Association journal, found that National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) athletes have a significantly higher incidence of sudden cardiac death than previously thought, especially among men.

 

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.115.015431

 

Amongst the conclusions was the "need to consider better ways to identify these athletes before they die, as the currently recommended screening strategy of history and physical is ineffective."

 

Football Clubs have not embraced calls to increase regular screening proactively enough and friction often is created between clubs/agents and medics over whether players with potentially fatal conditions should stop playing, with medical advice often ignored. 

 

I recall that this was very much in the news in 2018 with findings that the risk of elite footballers suffering sudden cardiac death was far more acute than previously believed - that this was a time bomb. There are also concerns that the ever increasing pace and intensity of the game and crammed fixtures/calendar could be placing vulnerable players at more risk. This isn't going away and it's set to get much worse. 

 

Edited 25 November 2021 by Line-X

[GingerrrFox]

Zero point coming back to this thread. It’s clear some people have zero interest in having a discussion around this because they are firmly entrenched on one side of the debate. If people aren’t able to discuss the possibility that the vaccines are the cause then what’s the point? It could be COVID that’s causing this issue but equally it could be the vaccines. 

[SpacedX]

1 hour ago, danny. said:

I guess people are just curious, it doesn't help that there is little to no discussion about it. Trevor Sinclair tried to talk about it and was literally cut off. People just seem to shout "anti-vaxx 5G Lizardmen" at anything that isn't in the media (which still seems to be busy heavily implying/stating that vaccines prevent transmission - no wonder people don't trust the media).

To clarify for the benefit of anyone reading this - from memory, didn't you pay to see David Icke at Wembley Arena? Let's trust him instead. 

[SpacedX]

1 minute ago, GingerrrFox said:

Zero point coming back to this thread. It’s clear some people have zero interest in having a discussion around this because they are firmly entrenched on one side of the debate. If people aren’t able to discuss the possibility that the vaccines are the cause then what’s the point? It could be COVID that’s causing this issue but equally it could be the vaccines. 

Vaccines are the cause of an existing problem that has been highlighted for years by the medical profession among high performance athletes and is predicted to increase in frequency? 

 

Aside from that, I'm perfectly prepared to entertain that possibility - where's your independently verifiable evidence? 

 

We can discuss the possibility that pink unicorn faeces is killing my lawn if you like, but that would be conjecture too. 

 

No one is attempting to stifle debate. If you wish to suggest that SARS-CoV-19 may bear some relationship I'd genuinely be very interested in your logic and reasoning. 

[Izzy]

12 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Zero point coming back to this thread. It’s clear some people have zero interest in having a discussion around this because they are firmly entrenched on one side of the debate. If people aren’t able to discuss the possibility that the vaccines are the cause then what’s the point? It could be COVID that’s causing this issue but equally it could be the vaccines. 

Or maybe there’s just heightened awareness of it now and more discussion/exposure since the Christian Eriksson incident? 

[Babylon]

22 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Zero point coming back to this thread. It’s clear some people have zero interest in having a discussion around this because they are firmly entrenched on one side of the debate. If people aren’t able to discuss the possibility that the vaccines are the cause then what’s the point? It could be COVID that’s causing this issue but equally it could be the vaccines. 

It has been shown that Covid is at least 6 x more likely to cause heart problems than vaccinations. So what exactly are you wanting to discuss?

[danny.]

21 minutes ago, Line-X said:

To clarify for the benefit of anyone reading this - from memory, didn't you pay to see David Icke at Wembley Arena? Let's trust him instead. 

Yes, love a bit of Icke - find it really entertaining!

 

I also love Games of Thrones and Foundation, I don't believe in shapeshifting lizards anymore than I think dragons or faster than light spaceships are real.

 

Quite an ad hominem there, again - I have been jabbed. I also think sensible discussion is healthy.

[SpacedX]

1 minute ago, danny. said:

Yes, love a bit of Icke - find it really entertaining!

So you paid simply to be entertained? Ok, I can think of better ways to spend my time and money, but each to their own. 

 

3 minutes ago, danny. said:

I also love Games of Thrones and Foundation, I don't believe in shapeshifting lizards anymore than I think dragons or faster than light spaceships are real.

I'd argue that both are infinitely more engaging than paying for three hours in the company of David Icke talking total bollocks in the process. I suppose there's a certain element of comedy value...but I'd imagine the humour very quickly wears thin. Do you recall when sporting that blue shell suit he claimed to be the second coming on Wogan and it had to be explained that the audience were laughing at him as opposed to with him. Presumably then, you went there to do the same? - or rather, from the sound of it, a bit of perceived harmless escapist fun? 

 

5 minutes ago, danny. said:

Quite an ad hominem there, again - I have been jabbed. I also think sensible discussion is healthy.

Not at all - it wasn't intended as a personal attack in the slightest, rather clarify your reasons for doing so given your "trust" issues. 

 

I agree, sensible discussion is healthy. What's your point? 

 

 

 

 

[danny.]

18 minutes ago, Line-X said:

So you paid simply to be entertained? Ok, I can think of better ways to spend my time and money, but each to their own. 

 

I'd argue that both are infinitely more engaging than paying for three hours in the company of David Icke talking total bollocks in the process. I suppose there's a certain element of comedy value...but I'd imagine the humour very quickly wears thin. Do you recall when sporting that blue shell suit he claimed to be the second coming on Wogan and it had to be explained that the audience were laughing at him as opposed to with him. Presumably then, you went there to do the same? - or rather, from the sound of it, a bit of perceived harmless escapist fun? 

 

Not at all - it wasn't intended as a personal attack in the slightest, rather clarify your reasons for doing so given your "trust" issues. 

 

I agree, sensible discussion is healthy. What's your point? 

 

 

 

 

It was closer to 8 hours! No I just enjoy the fantasty world he’s created. Much like I like Middle Earth, Westeros and Hogwarts. It doesn’t really make any difference to you what I spent money on for entertainment though does it? I don’t understand why people watch celebrity reality TV but millions love it, each to their own. 
 

I don’t have “trust” issues. I mean, I don’t trust this government or most of the media, but I’d say that’s rather sensible given that politicians and newspapers rarely tell the truth. I’m very happy looking at data and peer reviewed studies, and most sensible balanced information from people without an agenda or financial interest. No agenda from me, I’m not scared of wifi or 5G and have had many vaccinations including Pfizer’s Covid jab. 

[danny.]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Speculative? It couldn’t be clearer, it causes myocarditis. 
 

This one discusses rates of vaccine v covid.
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/amp/

Thank you, that one was clear. 

[Trumpet]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Speculative? It couldn’t be clearer, it causes myocarditis. 
 

This one discusses rates of vaccine v covid.
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/amp/

It wouldn’t be speculative if it was the vaccine causing it though 

[dsr-burnley]

4 hours ago, GingerrrFox said:

Either more investigation needs to be done to find out what causes these cardiac issues after a COVID infection to prevent/manage moving forwards or to investigate whether the vaccines are a cause of these cardiac issues. It’s not right the amount of elite athletes that are having such serious issues, the number of issues has sky rocketed over recent months. 

What are the numbers?

[SpacedX]

Just now, danny. said:

It was closer to 8 hours! No I just enjoy the fantasty world he’s created. Much like I like Middle Earth, Westeros and Hogwarts. It doesn’t really make any difference to you what I spent money on for entertainment though does it? I don’t understand why people watch celebrity reality TV but millions love it, each to their own. 
 

I don’t have “trust” issues. I mean, I don’t trust this government or most of the media, but I’d say that’s rather sensible given that politicians and newspapers rarely tell the truth. I’m very happy looking at data and peer reviewed studies, and most sensible balanced information from people without an agenda or financial interest. No agenda from me, I’m not scared of wifi or 5G and have had many vaccinations including Pfizer’s Covid jab. 

Fair enough, but Middle Earth, Westeros and Hogwarts isn't being passed off as real. He's causing undue harm and anxiety for many vulnerable impressionable and gullible people that take his nonsense at face value and tumble down the rabbit hole as a consequence - and cynically profiteering in the process. 

 

Absolutely agree. Remember though that the media are regulated and although subjective and agenda driven are answerable and accountable to the legal process. Journalistic balance (the allocation of equal space to opposing views) and objectivity (by which journalists usually mean an effort to exclude subjective judgement) is still possible to find. But we can then use a range of sources to ensure impartiality. Sadly, independent verification, fact checking and genuine scepticism of alternative sources has been increasingly absent for many social media followers and some on this thread. 

 

Politicians will always be prone to lies and deception. 

 

I just found it strange that you deemed something as "agenda" driven as Icke as entertaining. 

 

On the subject of entertainment, dare I say, enjoy the match. 

[Super_horns]

Worrying news?

 

Hopefully they will manage to control it quickly.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/uk-scrambles-to-block-worst-ever-covid-variant-as-travellers-from-south-africa-urged-to-take-tests-1320497

[martyn]

11 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Worrying news?

 

Hopefully they will manage to control it quickly.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/uk-scrambles-to-block-worst-ever-covid-variant-as-travellers-from-south-africa-urged-to-take-tests-1320497

6 Southern African countries onto the red list from tomorrow

[Babylon]

The Wigan player has stated he isn’t vaccinated and thus has nothing to do with that. 

[yorkie1999]

5 hours ago, danny. said:

doesn't explain the recent rise in frequency, are you saying that only recently have footballers started to train at a high-intensity?

I’m not try to explain anything, just knew about it from someone I know who’s a boxer and therefore trains to excess, he’s always got a cold or something.

[st albans fox]

42 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The Wigan player has stated he isn’t vaccinated and thus has nothing to do with that. 

No no no babs - that’s not the narrative …..

he’s obviously lying to cover it all up with the authorities leaning on him …..

 

in all seriousness, that’s what the conspiracists will say and it’s impossible to argue with a buffoon …..

[Ric Flair]

The increase is more likely to be covid related, factor in the amount of football being played in the last 2 years as well. Its possible some of this would be caused from side effects of the vaccine too but I think there is so much still to learn about the after effects of all of this.

 

 

[Unabomber]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

The Wigan player has stated he isn’t vaccinated and thus has nothing to do with that. 

Pretty crazy that he’s not vaccinated. 

[Sly]

I think most people have now accepted that COVID is a serious issue, that was under estimated at the start. 
 

I also believe that most people, now go about their daily lives, like it’s gone. 
 

I’m also open to the idea, that the vaccine could potentially have some currently unknown side effects.

 

I’m also of the opinion, that the data shows me that that I’m safer having a vaccination, than not. 
 

Sincerely, 

 

Sly - Awaiting a PCR result, Double Jabbed and was hoping for a booster soon.

[Leicester_Loyal]

29 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The increase is more likely to be covid related, factor in the amount of football being played in the last 2 years as well. Its possible some of this would be caused from side effects of the vaccine too but I think there is so much still to learn about the after effects of all of this.

 

Get the **** out of here, having a serious adult discussion about COVID and the vaccine, idiot.

 

11 minutes ago, Sly said:

I think most people have now accepted that COVID is a serious issue, that was under estimated at the start. 
 

I also believe that most people, now go about their daily lives, like it’s gone. 
 

I’m also open to the idea, that the vaccine could potentially have some currently unknown side effects.

 

I’m also of the opinion, that the data shows me that that I’m safer having a vaccination, than not. 
 

Sincerely, 

 

Sly - Awaiting a PCR result, Double Jabbed and was hoping for a booster soon.

Agree with all of this except the first point (although I guess it depends on your age), I thought it was going to be a lot more deadly at first, was genuinely thinking like 1 in 10 people of all ages could die from it.

[dsr-burnley]

35 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The increase is more likely to be covid related, factor in the amount of football being played in the last 2 years as well. Its possible some of this would be caused from side effects of the vaccine too but I think there is so much still to learn about the after effects of all of this.

 

 

Have they established there is an increase? According to a FIFA report, from 2014 to 2018, 3 footballers per week died. 617 from memory. The only number I have seen about the current position is a tweet that says 108 in 6 months, which is 4 per week. When close seasons and number of players and so forth are taken into account, how big is the increase in percentage terms? 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

The increase is more likely to be covid related, factor in the amount of football being played in the last 2 years as well. Its possible some of this would be caused from side effects of the vaccine too but I think there is so much still to learn about the after effects of all of this.

 

Speaking from current experience of COVID, I feel like someone has my heart in a vice. So I’m going with yeah, it’s Covid 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

The increase is more likely to be covid related, factor in the amount of football being played in the last 2 years as well. Its possible some of this would be caused from side effects of the vaccine too but I think there is so much still to learn about the after effects of all of this.

 

 

I’m not sure a single person is arguing that the vaccine can’t cause it, it can and may. But COVID absolutely does and at a greater rate.

 

So I’d like to know what those moaning suggest we do?