Coronavirus Thread

[Guest Harrydc]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

You being an idiot, that’s my problem. 
 

An example would be something someone has done and not a figment of your wild imagination. 

Look at places like Austria, Cyprus, Germany, Australia and then tell me its a 'figment of my imagination'. 

[Farrington fox]

No need for panic. calm down. 
 

has anyone here even been hospitalised with omicron yet?

 

[Facecloth]

@Harrydc I thought you promised if allowed back on General chat, that you wouldn't come in this thread because you got worked up and started making ridiculous statements, and it wasn't good for you getting that way. We all know you stance, you don't want lockdown, you don't want masks, you don't want vaccines. In fact you don't want anything that might help rid us of this virus, but you also don't want the virus. So what is it, do you want to be stuck in the cycle forever, or do you think you might want to actually do something to get rid of it. Because guess what, I don't want the virus either, I'm fed up of it all, but at least I'm trying to help get rid of it.

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Look at places like Austria, Cyprus, Germany, Australia and then tell me its a 'figment of my imagination'. 

You know they can still all access essential services don’t you.

[Corky]

21 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

I used it as an example of making vaccines mandatory in a round about way. What's your problem. 

Even in your extreme example, they wouldn't starve to death because surely they'd order deliveries to their home?

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

No need for panic. calm down. 
 

has anyone here even been hospitalised with omicron yet?

 

You know what 200 deaths a day over 120 days is 24,000 people, not much more than you’d get with what we average now. 
 

They presented numerous scenarios, that being one of them…. stop looking at the headlines (not written by them) and read what they actually say. 

[Babylon]

12 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

No need for panic. calm down. 
 

has anyone here even been hospitalised with omicron yet?

 

I’m sure that steep rise in cases and those hospitalised is a coincidence.

 

Even of its less severe, with it being so transmissible that’s really bad in terms of essential services being flooded and it can be for deaths also…

 

” even a 30% more transmissible variant can be way worse than a variant that is 30% more deadly. At the heart of this counter-intuitive assertion lies an old foe that has plagued us right from the start of this pandemic: exponential growth. Here’s a simple thought experiment that helps to explain why.

Imagine the old variant spreading under measures that have reduced R to 1. Starting with 10,000 infected people, every generation interval (time becoming infected and infecting someone else) they will infect 10,000 more. Of everyone that gets infected, let’s assume that 1% of them will die. After ten generations, 100,000 new infections will have occurred leading to 1,000 deaths. 

With a variant that is 30% more deadly, the same number of infections will occur, but they will lead to 1,300 deaths. Yet with a variant that is 30% more transmissible but not more deadly, because cases will grow exponentially, the eventual death toll over the same period stretches to over 4,200. The longer this goes on for, the bigger the death toll discrepancy between the more transmissible and the more deadly strain becomes.”

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[Farrington fox]

At the moment it’s all conjecture. Driven by a media intent on scaring everyone shitless. Frankly I’m more worried about getting cancer or having another heart attack. 

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, reporterpenguin said:

I think you’ve answered your own question there, isn’t 75% success pretty good?
 

If the success rate for a medical treatment was 75%, would you say “no thanks, that’s not good enough”?

It's not actually that good, as it still means 15-20m will be susceptible to it and even just 1% of those being seriously ill/snuffing it is grim. Needs to be 85-90% minimum if its anywhere near as virulent as Delta.

[Ric Flair]

Anyway, the media supposedly have pictures of the Tory covid parties and are publishing them in tomorrow's papers. Should be released online in the next few hours, this is going to be a bloodbath surely.

[whoareyaaa]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Anyway, the media supposedly have pictures of the Tory covid parties and are publishing them in tomorrow's papers. Should be released online in the next few hours, this is going to be a bloodbath surely.

Can see him walking tomorrow

[Ric Flair]

5 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Can see him walking tomorrow

Hopefully Brendan too, what a day that would be

[Otis]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Can see him walking tomorrow

The scenes if the photos show Boris there wearing a paper hat & party horn in his mush.

[Lionator]

huge if true!

[Soup]

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/12/9/austria-plans-to-fine-coronavirus-vaccine-holdouts-up-to-4000

Disgusting if true

[Carl the Llama]

4 hours ago, Harrydc said:

Why? The first 2 doses apparently does nothing to help with the 'omicron' varient, and the booster only has a 75% success rate? What's the point. 

Do you actually understand what you wrote here?

 

I really would love to see you, or in fact anyone, attempt to rationalise why a 75% chance of success is so insignificant as to be considered negligible. 

 

This has gone from arbitrarily questioning the scientists and their research to arguing against how core mathematical functions work.

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, Lionator said:

huge if true!

They will still want to see how our demographics perform as there are lots of differences …….but the hope that many of us had when we got initial information about omicron could well be borne out …… fingers crossed 

[Lionator]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

They will still want to see how our demographics perform as there are lots of differences …….but the hope that many of us had when we got initial information about omicron could well be borne out …… fingers crossed 

I believe we’ll have restrictions before we find out to be honest. 
 

I also wonder how much our scientific community will trust their ‘models’ over real world evidence from Africa (because it’s Africa, they’ll probably ignore it). 

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I believe we’ll have restrictions before we find out to be honest. 
 

I also wonder how much our scientific community will trust their ‘models’ over real world evidence from Africa (because it’s Africa, they’ll probably ignore it). 

There will surely be data from other parts of the globe by the time we get to Xmas /new year week. I can’t see the govt bringing in any firebreak till after new year …..

[FoxesDeb]

4 hours ago, Harrydc said:

How can you compare this vaccine to a medical treatment? 

 

I wouldn't take paracetamol before I get a headache incase I get a headache.

You take them daily because you think they help you sleep though don't you? If you were my son, and I have one around your age, I'd be concerned about the potential damage that's causing your liver, and the problems that could lead to if you contract covid. 

 

It also really and truly absolutely baffles me that you have been one of the most outspoken here about the angst that lockdown caused you, and yet you are refusing to do the one thing that can help us get out of this. You asked why bother to take the vaccine, and the answer is simple but you already know that. Protect yourself as much as you can, help to protect others, and get out of this covid hell as soon as we possibly can. 

 

Where do you get your info from? Do you talk to your parents about this? So many of us here have tried to explain the risks and the reasons and the science behind it all to you, many times over the last 18 months or so, but you really don't seem to be helping yourself 

I don't know whether you don't believe any of us who've tried to help you here, or if you are just being contrary for the sake of it, or maybe you do believe much of the complete and utter bollccks on the internet which seems to be referred to as misinformation these days, but I wish you well whatever you decide. 

 

[Soup]

Big demo here where I am in Spain tonight. Thousands protesting the Covid pass and vaccine to the kids which starts here next week. Young and old gathered and a lot more than I thought in attendance. libertad, libertad echoed around the main Plaza. 

[FoxesDeb]

13 minutes ago, Soup said:

Big demo here where I am in Spain tonight. Thousands protesting the Covid pass and vaccine to the kids which starts here next week. Young and old gathered and a lot more than I thought in attendance. libertad, libertad echoed around the main Plaza. 

Is that the one in Valencia? 

[Soup]

21 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Is that the one in Valencia? 

Yes.

[kingfox]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

huge if true!

A lot of Data like this going around, our media and scientists won’t push this potentially promising narrative though, they’d rather concentrate on scaremongering and worst case scenarios.

[HighPeakFox]

45 minutes ago, kingfox said:

A lot of Data like this going around, our media and scientists won’t push this potentially promising narrative though, they’d rather concentrate on scaremongering and worst case scenarios.

Or, in the case of the scientists (who know better than you or me, by the way) they're just going to be cautious.