Coronavirus Thread

[SexyGammonFox]

2 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

No one chooses their sources of information. I have been getting more into data manipulation and analytics in my current role, and it is amazing how much you can manipulate people into a certain zeitgeist. We don't stand a chance against the billions of dollars and thousands of PhD data engineers that work for Facebook, google etc whos sole intention in life is to feed you the 'correct' info.

 

Anyway, good on you for trying to convince the vaccine sceptic, please carry on!!

The government have absolutely pummelled the airwaves for two years with information. There was a period where you couldn't even listen to a song on Spotify without Mark Strong telling you that if you broke the rules people would die.

 

We all have the freedom to make a choice and people by and large have made a conscious choice one way or the other, they haven't been duped into it by FB.   

[Buce]

Boris Johnson joined No 10 party during May 2020 lockdown, say sources

Boris Johnson joined No 10 staff for a party in Downing Street during the first lockdown in May last year, sources have alleged, raising questions about whether there was a culture of flouting the rules over a number of months.

The prime minister spent about 15 minutes with staff at the alleged social gathering on 15 May 2020, telling one aide inside No 10 that they deserved a drink for “beating back” coronavirus, a joint investigation by the Guardian and Independent was told.

 

Sources claimed about 20 staff drank wine and spirits and ate pizza following a press conference on that day, some in offices inside No 10 and others going into the garden. Some staff stayed drinking until late into the evening, they alleged.

Rules at the time allowed only two people from different households to meet outside, at a distance of 2 metres. Earlier that evening, Matt Hancock, then health secretary, had urged people to “stay at home as much as is possible” and asked them to “please stick with the rules, keep an eye on your family and don’t take risks” during the period of good weather.

The claims follow a string of reports about similar alleged events in Downing Street and elsewhere during the subsequent lockdown last Christmas, and suggests rules might have been broken over a series of months.

The 15 May gathering, at which some aides allegedly stayed drinking until late in the evening, followed a Covid press conference at 5pm, led that day by Hancock.

The sources said Hancock was also seen at the event, which was described as having a “celebratory” feel given the initial loosening of some restrictions and the good weather in London that day.

While sources claimed both Johnson and Hancock were present for a short time when staff and aides were drinking, there is no suggestion they drank themselves, or stayed late.

Asked about Johnson’s comment about “beating back” the virus, and his presence at the alleged party at which No 10 staff were drinking and socialising, his official spokesperson said: “In the summer months Downing Street staff regularly use the garden for some meetings. On 15 May 2020 the prime minister held a series of meetings throughout the afternoon, including briefly with the then health and care secretary and his team in the garden following a press conference.

“The prime minister went to his residence shortly after 7pm. A small number of staff required to be in work remained in the Downing Street garden for part of the afternoon and evening.”

A spokesperson for Hancock described the sources’ claims as “not true”. “After the press conference, which finished at approximately 5.53pm, Matt debriefed his own team, then went to the Downing Street garden to debrief the prime minister. He left Downing Street at 6.32pm and went back to the Department for Health and Social Care,” Hancock’s spokesperson said.

At the press conference, where he was joined by Jenny Harries, at the time the deputy chief medical officer for England, Hancock delivered a message of caution.

The opening statements noted that England remained in the second-highest level of Covid alert, four, with 10,700 people in hospital with the virus and 384 coronavirus deaths recorded that day.

Hancock urged people to keep to the slight relaxation in lockdown. “This weekend, with the good weather and the new rules, I hope people can enjoy being outside but please stick with the rules, keep an eye on your family and don’t take risks,” he said.

The claims are a further blow to Johnson, who is reeling from reports detailing a series of apparent lockdown-breaching parties last winter, and has been widely mocked for insisting no rules were broken.

Among these was an alleged party on 18 December 2020, a time when all indoor social mixing in London was prohibited, involving wine and cheese and staff swapping “secret Santa” presents.

Downing Street denied the event had happened, a stance undermined when video footage emerged of No 10 officials joking about the event four days later. Allegra Stratton, Johnson’s former press secretary, resigned as spokesperson for Cop26 in the ensuing furore.

Johnson is also known to have attended an earlier event, on 27 November last year, believed to have been an impromptu leaving do for an aide, Cleo Watson.

 

 

[Houdini Logic]

5 minutes ago, SexyGammonFox said:

There was a period where you couldn't even listen to a song on Spotify without Mark Strong telling you that if you broke the rules people would die.

 

Pay for Premium you cheapskate 

[pazzerfox]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

You see, calling people ***** because they take a more relaxed view of this pretty mild (for almost everybody) virus doesn't do you any favours tbh. 

 

You want to impose your world view on people. I find that hugely arrogant and bad mannered. 

 

And before I get any anti vac sentiment from you, I'd actually support withdrawing (or at least de prioritising) treatment from the unvaccinated (except for u18s, obviously) . Most unvaccinated are super healthy so won't be affected. The fatties who haven't bothered to take a jab have, frankly, only themselves to blame if they end up struggling 

"He who sacrifices freedom for safety deserves neither" 

[FoxesDeb]

10 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

How exactly will you be doing that?  Straight jacket?

 

You can't force people and Bojo's sales pitch won't work.

I wouldn't be doing it personally, but possibly go down the fining people who refuse route? I think that's what they're doing in other parts of Europe 

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

Astounding use of the moral high ground while condemning the at-risk unvaxed crowd because you dislike "fatties".  Man of the people right here 

 

Who said I dislike fat blobs? 😅

 

I just said that if someone is unvaxxed, they are asking for trouble and, in order to maintain services elsewhere in the NHS, treatment for the unvaxxed should be low priority. 

 

Better that than mandating jabs on people

 

 

[sm1]

22 hours ago, Babylon said:

Shame the data doesn’t show that, unless you want to count forged data and trials with extreme bias, and lies by your right wing bloggers etc. There are as many that show zero benefit that show there is. There is a reason some of the largest and latest trials got abandoned due to futility.

 

That’ll be the India who no longer recommend Ivermectin? 
 

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/2021/09/25/india-de-approves-hydroxycholoquine-and-ivermectin

 

 

The data shows 85% improvement when Ivermectin is used early or as a prophylaxis. There are 79 trials, 48 of which are peer reviewed. They have each trial listed so that anybody can look at it. The journals these trials are published in are listed. Even listed are the trials that Ivermectim showed none or a negative effect in.  All the data is transparent, it has over 200 citations.

In regards to India, they cant dispute that when Ivermectin was given as an early treatment Covid cases plummeted. Same is true in Japan, where Covid cases plummeted when Ivermectin was allowed to be given by Drs. From August to November there was a 99% drop in cases, yet just like in India, it is not officially approved as a Covid treatment. 

Lastly I'll leave the full 2hr45min discussion between Joe Rogan and Dr Peter McCullough (cardiologist & epidemiologist) on all the early treatments for Covid. I would recommend it highly whether you believe in early Covid treatment or not, it's a real eye opener.

https://rumble.com/vqt3p6-jre-1747-dr.-peter-mccullough.html

 

[whoareyaaa]

8 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Who said I dislike fat blobs? 😅

 

I just said that if someone is unvaxxed, they are asking for trouble and, in order to maintain services elsewhere in the NHS, treatment for the unvaxxed should be low priority. 

 

Better that than mandating jabs on people

 

 

Can the unvaxxed pay less taxes as well sounds fair 

[Carl the Llama]

3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Who said I dislike fat blobs? 😅

 

I just said that if someone is unvaxxed, they are asking for trouble and, in order to maintain services elsewhere in the NHS, treatment for the unvaxxed should be low priority. 

 

Better that than mandating jabs on people

 

 

Your vernacular betrays it.

 

If somebody with no medical reason to avoid the jab does so and subsequently requires treatment for the virus, yeah that feels like an unfair burden on the system.  Seems like you agree with the sentiment that it's a bit selfish not to do so, so are you just debating the severity of language used?  I guess that's fair enough.

 

Mandating jabs?  Where's that come from?

[FoxesDeb]

13 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Who said I dislike fat blobs? 😅

 

I just said that if someone is unvaxxed, they are asking for trouble and, in order to maintain services elsewhere in the NHS, treatment for the unvaxxed should be low priority. 

 

Better that than mandating jabs on people

 

 

I would probably agree with leaving the unvaccinated further down the list of treatment at a very base level, but it goes against the morals of a modern, civilised society doesn't it? Much like mandatory vaccination I guess. 

 

Is Darwin's Law up for sorting some of this out for us? 

[SexyGammonFox]

19 minutes ago, Houdini Logic said:

Pay for Premium you cheapskate 

Fight the power!

[Dunge]

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

As has been explained ad nauseum, we still don't known what the effects of omicron are. The real world data that we are in possession of largely comes from Southern Africa during their summer, with a younger demographic with very high rates of previous infection - 80% in South Africa. It was only discovered just over three weeks ago, we will know much more in the new year. Even if is is much milder, currently there are two variants in circulation.

 

Once again, you are falling into the trap of thinking solely about the risk to yourself. In respect of the severity, I have exactly the same "relaxed view" as you. So what? Whilst not underestimating the potential dangers of SARS-CoV-2, (Delta attacks the lungs and the internal organs and does not simply claim the lives of the vulnerable, aged or unhealthy), throughout this I have never been concerned about the risks to my own health, rather, those around me and our healthcare system. The issue is with omicron, the transmissibility which is like nothing we have seen before. The infection rate from omicron is set to be ****ing enormous - even if it is less severe, it will still result in hospitalisations and unfortunately, deaths. As small proportion of a huge figure is still enough to completely overwhelm the fragile NHS at the most vulnerable point of the year. 

 

Why does the same thing have to be repeatedly typed out over and over and over again?

 

 

No - a global viral infection wants to impose its world view on you, and it couldn't give a shit about your sensitivities. 

This.

 

Honestly, if someone has a genuine solution to this that involves none of the following:

 

- Restrictions or lockdowns

- Vaccinations

- Many thousands of avoidable deaths

 

then I’m all ears.

Edited 16 December 2021 by Dunge

[FoxesDeb]

13 minutes ago, Dunge said:

This.

 

Honestly, if someone has a genuine solution to this that involves none of the following:

 

- Restrictions or lockdowns

- Vaccinations

- Many thousands of avoidable deaths

 

then I’m all ears.

You mean to say that the answer isn't on YouTube? 

[Innovindil]

43 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

How exactly will you be doing that?  Straight jacket?

 

You can't force people and Bojo's sales pitch won't work.

 

pew pew bitches. 

 

 

 

 

[bovril]

someday this pandemic's gonna end

[Nalis]

4 minutes ago, bovril said:

someday this pandemic's gonna end

Hopefully, fvckin pain in the arse of all this but what can you do eh?

[grobyfox1990]

53 minutes ago, SexyGammonFox said:

The government have absolutely pummelled the airwaves for two years with information. There was a period where you couldn't even listen to a song on Spotify without Mark Strong telling you that if you broke the rules people would die.

 

We all have the freedom to make a choice and people by and large have made a conscious choice one way or the other, they haven't been duped into it by FB.   

I have never listened to Spotify and have no idea who mark strong is. That’s a prime example of your bubble by assuming that’s a measure I would understand. 

[grobyfox1990]

59 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Rather than fvcking about pandering to these people and hoping they eventually make the right decision, we could just make it mandatory? 

Don’t agree with this overall as it’ll just make not being jabbed more appealing, like a badge of honour, let’s fight the man! unless you also mandate keeping a certain level of health, fitness and a balanced diet then I’m all ears 

[Daggers]

58 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

How exactly will you be doing that?  Straight jacket?

Through the use of the face slapping app 

[SexyGammonFox]

7 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

I have never listened to Spotify and have no idea who mark strong is. That’s a prime example of your bubble by assuming that’s a measure I would understand. 

It's not important that you know who Mark Strong is to understand my point, which is that the government has been prolific at pumping information out into the public sphere.

 

If you want to listen to them you can do.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

44 minutes ago, Dunge said:

This.

 

Honestly, if someone has a genuine solution to this that involves none of the following:

 

- Restrictions or lockdowns

- Vaccinations

- Many thousands of avoidable deaths

 

then I’m all ears.

It really is catch 22 restrictions and lockdown themselves cause avoidable deaths. I don’t have a clue what’s for the best.

[SpacedX]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Haha you are taking me too literally, which is hugely ironic as i hate it when people do that to me and/or misquote me!!

 

Eventually we are going to have to break this cycle of stopping everything in life to protect a hypothetical breakdown of the NHS. Either privatise it or abolsutely overhaul it. Again, don't assume im anti-NHS, i have lots and lots of family members working on the frontline, but this cycle cannot continue in a first world country.

 

I would not belittle those personal freedoms. We should enjoy our immense luck (and thats all it is) of being born into this system. Why hoard vaccines, healthcare expertise and treasury credit to literally crush third world populations if we cant go on holiday??!?!

 

As debated earlier with another v good poster, i believe man will eventually win over nature. Sure, some darwinian cleansing of the weak and infirm will occur, but we will come out stronger overall. Then destroy ourselves. Of course i could be wrong, but trust me and what we have in our arsenal!!

If you don't want to be taken literally, then don't literally type "the covid is the worse thing ever brigade". I simply wondered who you were referring to? Because as far as I can tell it refers to a core of about a dozen posters on this thread who are incapable of comprehending anything outside of their own self-centred myopia.

 

I certainly do have great faith in science, but ultimately, whether our sentience causes us to overestimate or overplay our significance as a species in the universe - or, that we truly are destined to prevail and seed galaxies, the earth that we currently have a tenancy on can tear this up and consign us to a fossil record in the blink of an eye. 

 

What we have in our own arsenal in the short-term may well be what we should fear the most. 

 

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

No one chooses their sources of information.

The thing that you miss is that these people are under the illusion that they do - and in so doing, unwittingly filter out what doesn't conform to their preconceptions. You've seen such illusory superiority on this thread. But I'm not talking about those too dim to see beyond their own cherry picked confirmation bias and quote mining. Rather, the conspiracy theorists and believers that you refer to, that brand themselves as 'critical thinkers', but in reality have no clue what genuine scepticism actually involves. They like to imagine that they are among the few people who are smart enough to see through a huge global agenda or cover up that has fooled the vast masses of their "inferiors". That the rest of us are asleep or too blind to notice...because? - they read it on the internet or watched a You Tube video which substitutes for the education that eluded them and they then hilariously term 'thinking out of the box'. Through sheer gullibility and a large helping of Dunning Kruger syndrome, they get off on pretending that they're one of the small discerning minority too clever to be fooled whilst mindlessly consuming and regurgitating horseshit off social media that they seem to regard as some font of arcane knowledge only visible to the anointed /initiated few.  

Edited 16 December 2021 by Line-X

[ALC Fox]

Had a sore throat since Sunday PM. Negative LFTs on day 1 and day 3 of symptoms. Positive LFT on day 5. Now awaiting PCR test result.

 

If you're feeling a little under the weather, please just try and stay in if you can. I haven't been out since Sunday anyway but if it was any other week I could easily have been to the shops, nipped out for a pint, etc.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, sm1 said:

The data shows 85% improvement when Ivermectin is used early or as a prophylaxis. There are 79 trials, 48 of which are peer reviewed. They have each trial listed so that anybody can look at it. The journals these trials are published in are listed. Even listed are the trials that Ivermectim showed none or a negative effect in.  All the data is transparent, it has over 200 citations.

In regards to India, they cant dispute that when Ivermectin was given as an early treatment Covid cases plummeted. Same is true in Japan, where Covid cases plummeted when Ivermectin was allowed to be given by Drs. From August to November there was a 99% drop in cases, yet just like in India, it is not officially approved as a Covid treatment. 

Lastly I'll leave the full 2hr45min discussion between Joe Rogan and Dr Peter McCullough (cardiologist & epidemiologist) on all the early treatments for Covid. I would recommend it highly whether you believe in early Covid treatment or not, it's a real eye opener.

https://rumble.com/vqt3p6-jre-1747-dr.-peter-mccullough.html

 

99% drop in cases and yet no trials show that, it’s almost like perhaps something else might have been the cause of that. And funnily they all came to the same conclusion.

 

I know they are listed, hence why people know some of the biggest ones were fraudulent and others have extreme biases within them.
 

Mccullough pah ha ha ha ha. He’s come out with so much shit it’s actually laughable you even think he’s credible. As for Rogan, people are still going around suggesting it’s worse to be vaccinated compared to unvaccinated because of his show and the fact they purposely omit crucial data and context in their discussions. Utter bullshit. 

Edited 16 December 2021 by Babylon

[Guest Col city fan]

If the Corona virus is a man made virus, designed to wreck economies across the globe, it’s bloody working isn’t it