Coronavirus Thread

[Otis]

5 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

What is the scientific view.

If you've got it then you can spread it.

[String fellow]

13 minutes ago, Otis said:

I reckon there's a few weirdos that absolutely love it.

And whilst I understand your essay above. I just don't think a lockdown will sit very well with much of the population when they have done everything that has been asked with regards to taking vaccine.

Empty roads and no relatives turning up every few days. What's not to love about lockdowns?

[SpacedX]

Just now, Otis said:

No idea, I find it just as odd. But if the government are going to go for another lockdown year after year I can see why people will become disillusioned. 

Yes - I on that we agree. But again you are blaming 'the government'. The enemy here is a global pandemic that will I'm afraid continue to mutate at a higher rate throughout unvaccinated populations and communities and thus variants will continue to emerge and arrive on these shores. 

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Cheers Boris.

I do love your posts, you make me smile 

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Wong again. It reduces the speed and replication amongst the vaccinated and thus the rate of mutation. We've been through this before too. Why do you insist on repeatedly making these absolute statements about things you clearly know nothing about? Genuinely baffling. 

 

"Lockdown doesn't work". "Covid-19 was over months ago".

I'm not convinced this booster is good enough to do significantly reduce the spread with Omicron as it supposedly did with Delta. It very much feels like the transmission of it is so vast. Hopefully they'll be able to tweak the vaccine in the coming months.

[SpacedX]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

I'm not convinced this booster is good enough to do significantly reduce the spread with Omicron as it supposedly did with Delta. It very much feels like the transmission of it is so vast. Hopefully they'll be able to tweak the vaccine in the coming months.

I'm sure they will, that is one of the many benefits of mRNA vaccinations. 

[FoxesDeb]

3 minutes ago, Otis said:

No idea, I find it just as odd. But if the government are going to go for another lockdown year after year I can see why people will become disillusioned. 

When you say 'the' government, which one do you mean, given that multiple governments worldwide are considering similar? 

[Otis]

5 minutes ago, Line-X said:

What you "personally think" has no bearing upon the real world. Have you still not grasped that? Otis, you belong to a small club on here who seem to value and celebrate their own personal incredulity and are utterly unable to comprehend, whilst it is glaringly obvious to the rest of us, that it has no relation whatsoever to reality. 

Am I not allowed an opinion. 

[Otis]

4 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

When you say 'the' government, which one do you mean, given that multiple governments worldwide are considering similar? 

As I live in the UK then the UK government.

But I see protests against government restrictions all over europe.

[HighPeakFox]

8 minutes ago, Adrian said:

I feel there is an over reliance on logic and 'facts'. It's a trend fueled by the mass of information out there and is causing a type if facsim...If someone doesn't persue information and doesn't get vaccinated they are sub-human..who made that rule?

 

Have we abandoned things like  Intuition and  emotions? Remember phrases like 'the show must go on ' and 'ignorance is bliss' and 'that's life' or 'sods law '...phrases handed down by generation to help us understand the chaos...rather than struggle to control it whilst castigating those who have a laizez-faire approach 

Given the choice, when it comes to dealing with a deadly pandemic, I'll take logic and facts over intuition and emotion every single time.

 

Next time you need an expert, like a doctor, or a surgeon, or a mechanic, hope to goodness they're using logic and facts - if it isn't a bit too fascistic for you, that is.

[Mike Oxlong]

13 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Wong again. It reduces the speed and replication amongst the vaccinated and thus the rate of mutation. We've been through this before too. Why do you insist on repeatedly making these absolute statements about things you clearly know nothing about? Genuinely baffling. 

 

"Lockdown doesn't work". "Covid-19 was over months ago".

So are we or are we not blaming the Chinese ? 

[Phil Bowman]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm not convinced this booster is good enough to do significantly reduce the spread with Omicron as it supposedly did with Delta. It very much feels like the transmission of it is so vast. Hopefully they'll be able to tweak the vaccine in the coming months.

Is it really about you, or I, or anyone, being ‘convinced’ though?

I’m not convinced of much - if anything - about this whole thing, and to be honest the only people who seem to be convinced about any of it seem to be idiots. So don’t worry about not being convinced!

The jabs and boosters are the best we have at the moment, so let’s have them, and let’s also do what other things we can to minimise transmission.

[SpacedX]

1 minute ago, Otis said:

Am I not allowed an opinion. 

Yes you are - an informed one would be nice - and so long as you don't push it on others. 

 

And actually, in fairness, you may well be right on this occasion Otis. That remains to be seen. What the booster will do, is reduce the level of hospitalisations and increase protection for those that have it. As I said though, the huge amount that are going to be infected will inevitably result in many requiring specialist or intensive care. Regarding reducing the spread, since the vaccine was developed around alpha, you could well be correct, but that is not a reason not to take up the opportunity to have it. 

[FoxesDeb]

11 minutes ago, Adrian said:

I feel there is an over reliance on logic and 'facts'. It's a trend fueled by the mass of information out there and is causing a type if facsim...If someone doesn't persue information and doesn't get vaccinated they are sub-human..who made that rule?

 

Have we abandoned things like  Intuition and  emotions? Remember phrases like 'the show must go on ' and 'ignorance is bliss' and 'that's life' or 'sods law '...phrases handed down by generation to help us understand the chaos...rather than struggle to control it whilst castigating those who have a laizez-faire approach 

Fvck me, I've read some bollccks on here over the last couple of years but this takes the absolute biscuit. 

[GingerrrFox]

I genuinely can’t believe some of the shit I see on here about unvaccinated people being refused treatment or having to pay on top of their NI contributions for treatment for COVID.

 

Should raging alcoholics with liver issues or drug abusers be refused treatment by the NHS? Should lifetime smokers with lung cancer be refused treatment? Should obese people be refused treatment on the NHS? I heard a comment recently, which I am trying to find evidence for that said 90% of ICU patients for COVID in the past 6 months have had a BMI of 40.0+, shall we just leave them to die because they are morbidly obese? Should we refuse to treat gang members who have been involved in stabbings/shootings and just leave them in the street to die? 
 

All of the above cost tax payers, why no outrage about any of this?

[Otis]

5 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Yes you are - an informed one would be nice - and so long as you don't push it on others. 

 

And actually, in fairness, you may well be right on this occasion Otis. That remains to be seen. What the booster will do, is reduce the level of hospitalisations and increase protection for those that have it. As I said though, the huge amount that are going to be infected will inevitably result in many requiring specialist or intensive care. Regarding reducing the spread, since the vaccine was developed around alpha, you could well be correct, but that is not a reason not to take up the opportunity to have it. 

I never said it's not a reason not take it. I would and have encouraged people to take it.

Anyway I find it odd in my previous post you said I was wrong, but in the post above you're more or less agreeing with what a said. Unless I'm genuinely missing something?

[Guest nathan.]

The vaccine is far from safe. 

 

 

[Buce]

17 minutes ago, nathan. said:

The vaccine is far from safe. 

 

 

 

But it is substantially safer than Covid.

Edited 18 December 2021 by Buce

[Farrington fox]

16 minutes ago, Otis said:

Am I not allowed an opinion. 

No you're not. Neither am I apparently. You have to provide evidence based facts, those are the rules.

[Strokes]

7 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

I genuinely can’t believe some of the shit I see on here about unvaccinated people being refused treatment or having to pay on top of their NI contributions for treatment for COVID.

 

Should raging alcoholics with liver issues or drug abusers be refused treatment by the NHS? Should lifetime smokers with lung cancer be refused treatment? Should obese people be refused treatment on the NHS? I heard a comment recently, which I am trying to find evidence for that said 90% of ICU patients for COVID in the past 6 months have had a BMI of 40.0+, shall we just leave them to die because they are morbidly obese? Should we refuse to treat gang members who have been involved in stabbings/shootings and just leave them in the street to die? 
 

All of the above cost tax payers, why no outrage about any of this?

Plenty of people have made arguments for most of the above before, not that I particularly agree with it but I’m not dead against it either.

If you abuse your privilege of life, why the hell should I contribute to saving you?

[yorkie1999]

14 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

So are we or are we not blaming the Chinese ? 

Yes, and in protest, I ordered a Turkish takeaway tonight, which I may add , was banging.

[Adrian]

16 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Given the choice, when it comes to dealing with a deadly pandemic, I'll take logic and facts over intuition and emotion every single time.

 

Next time you need an expert, like a doctor, or a surgeon, or a mechanic, hope to goodness they're using logic and facts - if it isn't a bit too fascistic for you, that is.

I said over-reliance ...not abandon all logic

[st albans fox]

26 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I do love your posts, you make me smile 

Dont encourage him

 

6 minutes ago, nathan. said:

The vaccine is far from safe. 

 

I’m going to regret asking this but ‘how far’? 

[SpacedX]

3 minutes ago, Otis said:

I never said it's not a reason not take it. I would and have encouraged people to take it.

No I know you didn't - my comment wasn't aimed at you, rather those that you suggested would be less inclined to take it. 

 

3 minutes ago, Otis said:

Anyway I find it odd in my previous post you said I was wrong, but in the post above you're more or less agreeing with what a said. Unless I'm genuinely missing something?

To clarify, your claim that the vaccine won't stop either variant is untrue. It can drive down delta and my point more related to the fact that those without the vaccine replicate the virus quicker and which therefore increases the possibility of mutations thus leading to future variants.

 

Regarding your suggestion that the booster won't stop the spread of omicron, you may well be correct because as I said it is derived form the original vaccination which was developed around alpha. However, it is likely to have some effect however limited, if only in the possibility of reducing viral load. 

[SpacedX]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Yes, and in protest, I ordered a Turkish takeaway tonight, which I may add , was banging.

Where from Yorkster?