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Buce

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I've been feeling sub-par for a few weeks now; I feel tired and lacking in energy, and I ache all over - kind of like you do with flu, but without the respiratory symptons. I can't help noting that this began following my booster jab.

 

Of course, that's not evidence of cause-and-effect but I'm literally never unwell. My wife and daughter bring all sorts home - colds, viruses, chest infections, sickness bugs - and I never catch them. I honestly can't remember the last time I felt anything like I do currently.

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danny.

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1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

I've been feeling sub-par for a few weeks now; I feel tired and lacking in energy, and I ache all over - kind of like you do with flu, but without the respiratory symptons. I can't help noting that this began following my booster jab.

 

Of course, that's not evidence of cause-and-effect but I'm literally never unwell. My wife and daughter bring all sorts home - colds, viruses, chest infections, sickness bugs - and I never catch them. I honestly can't remember the last time I felt anything like I do currently.

Sounds like me since I had the 2nd jab, started the morning after I had it

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7 hours ago, Babylon said:

Sigh… last time I’ll say this. Wales have had a lot of days where they didn’t report data. Which all got pumped into the following weeks data, causing a massive spike.

 

Attempting to use that as a way of trying to make out the restrictions aren’t working, in fact making it worse. Is such utter [deleted]

That's true.  You need to use test data based on the date of the test.  The info is available from the UK coroanvirus dashboard.

 

If we use that, then we see that week ended 14th December England had 665 positive tests per 100,000 people.  21st December, 1,096.  28th December, 1,395.  4th January (the latest for which figures are complete) 1,924.

 

Wales' equivalent figures were 485, 867, 1,767, 2,380.  So while it's clear that Wales' figures have shot ahead of England's in recent weeks, you can't be sure that it's Drakesford's rules that are making it happen.  You also can't be sure that Drakesford's rules are making no difference either, though it was certainly mooted last year that closing the pubs has encouraged people to socialise (and spread the disease) in private homes.  I think perhaps the reason the Welsh rules appear not to help is because people have come to the belief that trying to suppress covid is both impossible and unnecessary, and so they aren't going to extreme lengths to try.

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Farrington fox

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5 hours ago, Buce said:

 

I've been feeling sub-par for a few weeks now; I feel tired and lacking in energy, and I ache all over - kind of like you do with flu, but without the respiratory symptons. I can't help noting that this began following my booster jab.

 

Of course, that's not evidence of cause-and-effect but I'm literally never unwell. My wife and daughter bring all sorts home - colds, viruses, chest infections, sickness bugs - and I never catch them. I honestly can't remember the last time I felt anything like I do currently.

You’re not the first person to say this. In fact my best mate has been like it since having his booster a couple of weeks ago, moderna. 

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Vlad the Fox

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9 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Has anyone with Omicron actually felt bad? I had a sore throat for one day and that’s it. Wouldn’t know I was ill or had anything if I hadn’t have tested. 

Not sure if I’ve got omicron but I tested positive on Friday, had a tickly throat, and that was about it, a bit bunged up today but nothing that I would really give a second thought to in normal circumstances. 

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6 hours ago, Buce said:

 

I've been feeling sub-par for a few weeks now; I feel tired and lacking in energy, and I ache all over - kind of like you do with flu, but without the respiratory symptons. I can't help noting that this began following my booster jab.

 

Of course, that's not evidence of cause-and-effect but I'm literally never unwell. My wife and daughter bring all sorts home - colds, viruses, chest infections, sickness bugs - and I never catch them. I honestly can't remember the last time I felt anything like I do currently.

Sorry to hear that mate, could be worth booking an appointment with the doc? If you don't already, get some vitamin D down you.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-90189-4

 

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Legend_in_blue

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43 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

 

Mmmmm.  It's possible, who knows.

 

Surprising this morning that the BBC chose to highlight Javids altercation with the consultant the other day.  I see him thanking the general public for their support today.  Will hopefully encourage others to speak out and force a change of view as "the science" changes.

 

Meanwhile GB News ran an interesting piece last night.  ;)

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danny.

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28 minutes ago, Dunge said:

I was broadly with him until about 1:30, then he starts speaking tripe.

That the current vaccinations don't work as well for Omicron and don't last that long before efficacy is down? That's correct? 

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I’ve lost track a bit here. When it is stated that Omicron is less dangerous than Delta, are they taking into account that more people have been fully vaccinated (or previously infected) during the Omicron wave than during the Delta wave? This would require a proper study comparing outcomes for unvaccinated, vaccinated and previously infected people separately. Quite difficult to do I’d imagine.

 

A naive assessment of outcomes would confuse immunity due to vaccination or previous infection, with inherent severity of each strain.

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11 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

I’ve lost track a bit here. When it is stated that Omicron is less dangerous than Delta, are they taking into account that more people have been fully vaccinated (or previously infected) during the Omicron wave than during the Delta wave? This would require a proper study comparing outcomes for unvaccinated, vaccinated and previously infected people separately. Quite difficult to do I’d imagine.

Doubt it. In South Africa the vaccination rate is very low.

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2 hours ago, danny. said:

That the current vaccinations don't work as well for Omicron and don't last that long before efficacy is down? That's correct? 

Not the misdirected way he puts it. He implies it’s ineffective after four months, which I don’t see how we can even know yet and even then would likely apply to protection against symptomatic infection rather than severe disease.

 

Approx 1:30 is where it turns from concern to propaganda, finishing with “share this video and contact your MP”.

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8 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Not the misdirected way he puts it. He implies it’s ineffective after four months, which I don’t see how we can even know yet and even then would likely apply to protection against symptomatic infection rather than severe disease.

 

Approx 1:30 is where it turns from concern to propaganda, finishing with “share this video and contact your MP”.

Naturally.

 

If it was worth considering, then it would at least link to or be in the form of a peer reviewed paper, not a YouTube video.

 

It's unfortunate how much this bears repeating on this thread. Along with the idea that people seem happy to trust the scientific method in practically every other area of their lives but this one, for reasons best known to them.

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danny.

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12 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Not the misdirected way he puts it. He implies it’s ineffective after four months, which I don’t see how we can even know yet and even then would likely apply to protection against symptomatic infection rather than severe disease.

 

Approx 1:30 is where it turns from concern to propaganda, finishing with “share this video and contact your MP”.

I think that’s widely what everyone thinks? https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/06/moderna-ceo-says-people-may-need-fourth-covid-shot-as-efficacy-of-boosters-likely-to-decline-over-time.html This says it declines after 4 weeks. After 4 months I don’t think it does anything looking at the figures. 

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