Coronavirus Thread

[shade]

1 minute ago, Parafox said:

FFS, Delta was/is DIFFERENT to Omicron (which, I seem to recall, you claimed was an anagram of "moronic") in terms of transmissibility and required greater restrictions.

Delta was more deadly than Omicron. The way it was dealt with, whilst not perfect, was different to the way we now deal with Moronic, sorry, Omicron, which is more infectious but with less serious consequences.

wait until he finds out delta omicron is an anagram of media control!

[Farrington fox]

2 minutes ago, Parafox said:

FFS, Delta was/is DIFFERENT to Omicron (which, I seem to recall, you claimed was an anagram of "moronic") in terms of transmissibility and required greater restrictions.

Delta was more deadly than Omicron. The way it was dealt with, whilst not perfect, was different to the way we now deal with Moronic, sorry, Omicron, which is more infectious but with less serious consequences.

You have a good memory I’ll give you that 👍🏼

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, shade said:

wait until he finds out delta omicron is an anagram of media control!

You can just behave yourself 

[FoxyPV]

My son has just tested positive 10days after the Ms........

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, Farrington fox said:

I had 2 AZ’s but not having a booster. As I said, I don’t believe restrictions lessen cases. 

Your choice.

However, if you go to a function where 80% of those there have 'flu would you expect to get 'flu?

Whereas if you don't go you have zero chance of contracting 'flu from that function. Extrapolate that to general society and your case makes no logical sense.

[Parafox]

4 minutes ago, shade said:

wait until he finds out delta omicron is an anagram of media control!

That's more like it. 

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

I had 2 AZ’s but not having a booster. As I said, I don’t believe restrictions lessen cases. 

That’s absurd 

[Legend_in_blue]

15 minutes ago, Parafox said:

And what, in your empty bucket mind, do you imagine would be the case with zero restrictions? Are you vaccinated? If so, why did you bother, given your own POV. 

This appears to be the default position when restrictions are criticised.  What would have happened if there were none?  Answer, we don't know because it never happened. 

 

Worth a read:  Times Article on the First Lockdown Omits One Very Important Point – The Daily Sceptic

 

 

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, Legend_in_blue said:

This appears to be the default position when restrictions are criticised.  What would have happened if there were none?  Answer, we don't know because it never happened. 

 

Worth a read:  Times Article on the First Lockdown Omits One Very Important Point – The Daily Sceptic

 

 

Indian sub-continent?

[CosbehFox]

8 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Indian sub-continent?

Brazil 

[Farrington fox]

Can’t really compare any of those Countries with Europe. 

[Parafox]

3 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Can’t really compare any of those Countries with Europe. 

What? So their experience of Covid is different to ours?

Or is it because they're not as developed as "Europe".

Edited 13 January 2022 by Parafox

[SpacedX]

19 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

This appears to be the default position when restrictions are criticised.  What would have happened if there were none?  Answer, we don't know because it never happened. 

 

Worth a read:  Times Article on the First Lockdown Omits One Very Important Point – The Daily Sceptic

 

 

 Toby Young - again. 

 

As opposed to one-sided populist agenda driven opinion, as has been previously suggested, you could defer instead to the field of epidemiology and infection control? Your choice. 

Edited 13 January 2022 by Line-X

[Farrington fox]

3 minutes ago, Parafox said:

What? 

You can’t compare the Indian sub Continent and Brazil with Europe. Or more specifically the UK. 

[Legend_in_blue]

17 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Indian sub-continent?

 

Hope Simpson?  You cannot compare different regions of the world like this.

 

6 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Can’t really compare any of those Countries with Europe. 

[Legend_in_blue]

3 minutes ago, Line-X said:

 Toby Young - again. 

 

You could defer instead to the field of epidemiology and disease control? Your choice. 

 

Here you go again.  A Toby Young website so press "ignore" and deflect.  You fail to respond to the cited links in the document which have nothing to do with him and discuss a valid point.  But as usual, Toby Young, dismiss.

[Parafox]

Christ on a bike, the effects are the same. How many would you like to die to prove a point that vaccinations and restrictions don't work and how many could you suggest might still be alive as a result of being vaccinated?

Lack of supply, the logistics of providing vaccinations in 3rd world countries and the low uptake in vaccinations for whatever beliefs, result in increased death rates from Covid in 3rd world countries. It's proven. Even in this country.

 

Edited 13 January 2022 by Parafox

[Parafox]

10 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

You can’t compare the Indian sub Continent and Brazil with Europe. Or more specifically the UK. 

What? So their experience of Covid is different to ours?

Or is it because they're not as developed as "Europe".

[Parafox]

20 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

You can’t compare the Indian sub Continent and Brazil with Europe. Or more specifically the UK. 

 

41 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

This appears to be the default position when restrictions are criticised.  What would have happened if there were none?  Answer, we don't know because it never happened. 

 

Worth a read:  Times Article on the First Lockdown Omits One Very Important Point – The Daily Sceptic

 

 

Indian government should heed its scientists on COVID

Brazil’s total death toll from COVID-19 passed 400,000. In India, the pandemic is taking around 3,500 lives every day and has prompted a global response, with offers of oxygen, ventilators, intensive-care beds and more. Although these two countries are thousands of miles apart, the crises in both are the result of political failings: their leaders have either failed or been slow to act on researchers’ advice. This has contributed to an unconscionable loss of life.

Brazil’s biggest failing is that its president, Jair Bolsonaro, has consistently mischaracterized COVID-19 as a “little flu” and has refused to follow scientific advice in setting policy, such as enforcing mask-wearing and limiting contact between people.

 

Last week, Brazil’s total death toll from COVID-19 passed 400,000. In India, the pandemic is taking around 3,500 lives every day and has prompted a global response, with offers of oxygen, ventilators, intensive-care beds and more. Although these two countries are thousands of miles apart, the crises in both are the result of political failings: their leaders have either failed or been slow to act on researchers’ advice. This has contributed to an unconscionable loss of life.

 

Edited 13 January 2022 by Parafox

[CosbehFox]

Okay let’s try this from another angle. 
 

5/6th August 2020 

Denmark had 620 deaths 

Sweden had 5,735 deaths 

 

In total, Denmark has suffered 3,433 covid deaths. Sweden had sadly suffered 15,440 covid deaths. 
 

Cases is a similar tale - Sweden totalling 1.5 million and Denmark totalling 1 million. 
 

One country decided to have very minimal restrictions the other not. 
 

If you compare European countries on deaths per 1m, the top ten are all central and Eastern European countries who again had minimal restrictions 

Edited 13 January 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[shade]

2 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Okay let’s try this from another angle. 
 

5/6th August 2020 

Denmark had 620 deaths 

Sweden had 5,735 deaths 

 

In total, Denmark has suffered 3,433 covid deaths. Sweden had sadly suffered 15,440 covid deaths. 
 

Cases is a similar tale - Sweden totalling 1.5 million and Denmark totalling 1 million. 
 

One country decided to have very minimal restrictions the other not. 
 

If you compare European countries on deaths per 1m, the top ten are all central and Eastern European countries who again had minimal restrictions 

I read an unbelievably detailed piece by a data scientist that expected to find that lockdowns decreased covid deaths, he didn't find that, but did find an unbelievably strong correlation between obesity and number of deaths.

[st albans fox]

This is getting ridiculous 

Some people have short memories (as is usually the case)

 

anyone who thinks that the first lockdown wasn’t necessary is living in cloud cuckoo land …….

 

November 2020 can be argued 

 

Jan/feb/march 2021 - Surely January was required - could we have relaxed in feb or March ?  That’s a debate 

[Nalis]

Dont know how I missed this fantastic news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59960689 - Covid: Quebec to impose health tax on unvaccinated Canadians

 

Anti vax logic dictates the equal stress on health services from the overweight, drinkers and smokers compared to the unvaccinated. So surely as the those areas have to pay more tax on unhealthy food, booze, cigarettes, they would be in agreement with the equivalent tax treatment for the unvaccinated?

[CosbehFox]

8 minutes ago, shade said:

I read an unbelievably detailed piece by a data scientist that expected to find that lockdowns decreased covid deaths, he didn't find that, but did find an unbelievably strong correlation between obesity and number of deaths.

There’s a 1% difference in terms of population being overweight comparing Denmark and Sweden. 
 

There’s not a 1% difference between the stats between them. Sweden’s population is double the size of Denmark and their cases/deaths aren’t double of Denmark’s. 
 

Culturally, climate, standard of living and accommodation standards are of a similar level. Sweden went light touch restrictions. Clearly Denmark’s restrictions slowed cases and deaths 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Farrington fox said:

I had 2 AZ’s but not having a booster. As I said, I don’t believe restrictions lessen cases. 

With omicron, unless restrictions are more draconian (with population asked to stay at home for several weeks), you may be right 

 

with delta, alpha and the original wuhan strain, you are surely wrong