Coronavirus Thread

[Innovindil]

6 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

I was speaking to a doctor, in a social context the other day, and the topic of covid came up. I was surprised to hear him say that "usually it takes 6-8 years for a vaccine to hit the market but this only took 18 months, which raises questions".

 

I could see his intent but I just ignored it. My own personal question would be why they can't pull their finger out for other things, then. 

That and the fact they had pretty much all the funding they could possibly need and every single company with the capability having a shot at it. Makes sense really when you know your "product" will be used worldwide and not just in some localised area. Whenever there's a chance at big long term profits you'll find someone with the motivation to see it happen. 

[grobyfox1990]

38 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

I was speaking to a doctor, in a social context the other day, and the topic of covid came up. I was surprised to hear him say that "usually it takes 6-8 years for a vaccine to hit the market but this only took 18 months, which raises questions".

 

I could see his intent but I just ignored it. My own personal question would be why they can't pull their finger out for other things, then. 

I know it’s not your opinion so not a dig, but it’s the dumbest argument. When you throw every resource at a problem, it gets fixed a lot quicker than when you don’t 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, fox_up_north said:

I was speaking to a doctor, in a social context the other day, and the topic of covid came up. I was surprised to hear him say that "usually it takes 6-8 years for a vaccine to hit the market but this only took 18 months, which raises questions".

 

I could see his intent but I just ignored it. My own personal question would be why they can't pull their finger out for other things, then. 

They had been working on it for decades, they didn't just start work on it that day. And with an endless budget, and the entire world searching for answers, it kind of speeds things up a bit. 

[Bryn]

2 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

I was speaking to a doctor, in a social context the other day, and the topic of covid came up. I was surprised to hear him say that "usually it takes 6-8 years for a vaccine to hit the market but this only took 18 months, which raises questions".

 

I could see his intent but I just ignored it. My own personal question would be why they can't pull their finger out for other things, then. 

 

The doctor clearly can’t be arsed to do any research as it’s well documented that the mRNA technology used has been in development for years and is also being used to develop other vaccines, for example anti-cancer treatments which have been in the news recently.

[rachhere]

2 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

I was speaking to a doctor, in a social context the other day, and the topic of covid came up. I was surprised to hear him say that "usually it takes 6-8 years for a vaccine to hit the market but this only took 18 months, which raises questions".

 

I could see his intent but I just ignored it. My own personal question would be why they can't pull their finger out for other things, then. 

It’s because it normally takes so much longer to collect sufficient data to make a judgement about effectiveness, but to prevalence of whatever it is you are trying to treat. In this case we had an abundance of people catching Covid, so everything is fast tracked. Of course they had other help like all the ethical and R&D approvals being accelerated as well, so no doubt some lessons to be learned there. 

[fox_up_north]

Thanks all. I knew that stuff but I was just so surprised to hear a doctor be so sceptical, especially given his field of work. 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

On 30/01/2023 at 12:49, fox_up_north said:

Thanks all. I knew that stuff but I was just so surprised to hear a doctor be so sceptical, especially given his field of work. 

I'm not saying clinicians are dumb, far from it. But work with them every day and you'll realise how many of them know their specialism and are quite ignorant of most other things.

[Paninistickers]

Just read that booster jabs are being phased out. 

 

Loving the way the lizards are slowly slowly de-escalating the whole kerfuffle, carefully not wishing to make fools of the public who bought into the whole faff

[yorkie1999]

14 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Just read that booster jabs are being phased out. 

 

Loving the way the lizards are slowly slowly de-escalating the whole kerfuffle, carefully not wishing to make fools of the public who bought into the whole faff

You could say that, you could also say that the whatever the "lizards" have done has managed to eventually turn the virus into an acceptable illness. 

Edited 4 February 2023 by yorkie1999

[SpacedX]

20 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Just read that booster jabs are being phased out. 

 

Loving the way the lizards are slowly slowly de-escalating the whole kerfuffle, carefully not wishing to make fools of the public who bought into the whole faff

Is this actually a serious post or just a bad attempt at satire? 

[Paninistickers]

32 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

You could say that, you could also say that the whatever the "lizards" have done has managed to eventually turn the virus into an acceptable illness. 

Yup, either your theory that the lizards managed to change the genetics of a virus....or did the virus just run out of puff and mutate to weaker strains, as they always do?

[yorkie1999]

18 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Yup, either your theory that the lizards managed to change the genetics of a virus....or did the virus just run out of puff and mutate to weaker strains, as they always do?

i dunno, are you questioning that viruses always run out of puff?

Edited 4 February 2023 by yorkie1999

[Royston.]

22 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

You could say that, you could also say that the whatever the "lizards" have done has managed to eventually turn the virus into an acceptable illness. 

Didnt even know lizards could get covid

[Lionator]

It’s really insulting as a healthcare worker who watched multiple people die to hear the vaccine slander by conspiracy theorists. Without that vaccine our society would probably have collapsed by now. 

[leicsmac]

23 minutes ago, Lionator said:

It’s really insulting as a healthcare worker who watched multiple people die to hear the vaccine slander by conspiracy theorists. Without that vaccine our society would probably have collapsed by now. 

I wouldn't go so far as that, but I must say that the overall response to Covid in one way gives me hope and in another terrifies me.

 

The good part is that it did show humanity can in a limited fashion work together to combat a global problem generated by nature and so prevent its worst excesses.

The bad (and terrifying) part is that the response was lacking in unity due to ignorant and sometimes malicious self-interest which means it ended up costing more in lives and materiel than it needed to and while this particular virus had a lowish mortality rate and therefore humanity was able to get away with such a disjointed response, the next crisis the Earth chooses to throw at us may well be much, much less forgiving of such. We fluff our lines again, the second sentence here may well become much more of a serious concern.

 

NB. Yes, the idea that certain cynics and sceptics would think decent healthcare and science workers as self-interested and cynical as themselves is insulting, but not really that surprising, sadly.

[Guest Mee-9]

On 04/02/2023 at 10:45, Paninistickers said:

Just read that booster jabs are being phased out. 

 

Loving the way the lizards are slowly slowly de-escalating the whole kerfuffle, carefully not wishing to make fools of the public who bought into the whole faff

Edit: Not wasting my breathe on this fool. 

Edited 5 February 2023 by Mee-9

[Samilktray]

Tested positive for covvy d today. Unbelievable 

[Parafox]

26 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

Tested positive for covvy d today. Unbelievable 

Have you let @Paninistickersknow this?

 

 

[Samilktray]

3 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Have you let @Paninistickersknow this?

 

 

@Paninistickers I have just tested positive for covvy d 

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64806903

 

The FBI thinks a "lab leak most likely", but there's a rather significant lack of consensus across the powers that be which seemingly means there isn't enough to go on.

 

But it's been said here before and I'll repeat it again; while there's a scientific research reason for figuring out the origins of this virus, as it wasn't deliberately released (and it wasn't, just to be absolutely clear) there's not much of a difference between a leak from a lab and it originating in a wet market in terms of political responsibility and any talking heads might want to consider that before stirring up the Yellow Peril again.

 

There's plenty to criticise the Chinese government for. Not understanding the difference between "the virus leaked from a Chinese lab" and "the virus was leaked from a Chinese lab" isn't one of them.

[Innovindil]

FBI Director Christopher Wray has said that the bureau believes Covid-19 "most likely" originated in a "Chinese government-controlled lab".

 

Interesting. Makes you wonder what the result would have been if we investigated this "conspiracy theory" when it first popped up instead of yelling at anyone talking about it and waiting ages to actually send anyone to China. 

 

Edit: screw you mac stealing my thunder. 

Edited 1 March 2023 by Innovindil

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

FBI Director Christopher Wray has said that the bureau believes Covid-19 "most likely" originated in a "Chinese government-controlled lab".

 

Interesting. Makes you wonder what the result would have been if we investigated this "conspiracy theory" when it first popped up instead of yelling at anyone talking about it and waiting ages to actually send anyone to China. 

 

Edit: screw you mac stealing my thunder. 

I think that if the thing did come from a lab and the Chinese knew it, they wouldn't have let the investigators anywhere close anyway so that would have been redundant and I don't think things would have turned out much differently.

[grobyfox1990]

15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64806903

 

The FBI thinks a "lab leak most likely", but there's a rather significant lack of consensus across the powers that be which seemingly means there isn't enough to go on.

 

But it's been said here before and I'll repeat it again; while there's a scientific research reason for figuring out the origins of this virus, as it wasn't deliberately released (and it wasn't, just to be absolutely clear) there's not much of a difference between a leak from a lab and it originating in a wet market in terms of political responsibility and any talking heads might want to consider that before stirring up the Yellow Peril again.

 

There's plenty to criticise the Chinese government for. Not understanding the difference between "the virus leaked from a Chinese lab" and "the virus was leaked from a Chinese lab" isn't one of them.

Here we go, Sino-US war in full flow, as if they recently discovered this. Purely political statement to remind people that the Chinese are the new enemy of the state now we're bored of the Middle East. Digging up old Covid scars and allowing brett to tell Keisha 'I TOLD you those guys released it darn it1!!'

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Here we go, Sino-US war in full flow, as if they recently discovered this. Purely political statement to remind people that the Chinese are the new enemy of the state now we're bored of the Middle East. Digging up old Covid scars and allowing brett to tell Keisha 'I TOLD you those guys released it darn it1!!'

That's about the size of it, yeah. And playing on the fact that a lot of people won't parse the difference involving the key word "was" between the two sentences I highlighted above.

 

It's so stupid.

[Tommy Fresh]

Odd theory, wasn't there a documentary on Netflix with a scientist who does work in China where they would capture Bats and test them for new viruses etc. Reportedly found one with a similar make up as Covid but didn't think it was a threat as they didn't think it would make the jump to another species and mutate and so on.