Coronavirus Thread

[filbertway]

Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said:

What did you have if you don't mind me asking? I have my second Pfizer next weekend and I'm not looking forward to it. 

Purely anecdotal but I know of 4/5 friends that have had both Pfizers and didn't feel anything after either of them other the slightest feeling of a dead arm when lifting the arm that was jabbed. 

 

[Babylon]

19 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Hope you're alright mate. Some genuinely dumb idiots out there.

 

I had my second jab yesterday. Feel horrific today, have heard this might linger for a week or so. Really hope not.

Second Astra' knocked me out for a week. 

 

Seriously concerned about the prospect of regular boosters.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, Babylon said:

Second Astra' knocked me out for a week. 

 

Seriously concerned about the prospect of regular boosters.

Ffs. Hope you're back to full strength now. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

What did you have if you don't mind me asking? I have my second Pfizer next weekend and I'm not looking forward to it. 

Pfizer. My wife has been ok but I'm battered. Aches, and fevery symptoms.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Purely anecdotal but I know of 4/5 friends that have had both Pfizers and didn't feel anything after either of them other the slightest feeling of a dead arm when lifting the arm that was jabbed. 

 

 

Just now, Chocolate Teapot said:

Pfizer. My wife has been ok but I'm battered. Aches, and fevery symptoms.

Yeah it's just pot luck I guess. Fingers crossed. 

[David Guiza]

I was speaking to somebody that I went to school with yesterday who said that this weekend will effectively be her last weekend of socialising for the forseeable future as a result of the 19th restrictions ending. She has cystic fibrosis and had a lung transplant a few years ago, but naturally remains vulnerable to infection etc. 

 

I fully appreciate that the world cannot stop forever and circumstances like hers are few and far between, but one must feel incredibly let down and forgotten about in those situations. I also can't imagine the anger you'd have towards people who can't whack a mask on for a 5 minute browse around Waterstones for the sake of your health.

[Father Ted]

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

Proved right? I don't understand what you mean. That continuing to wear a mask in certain environments and circumstances is prudent, impossible to argue against and unequivocal - just as there are many situations in which it will no longer be necessary. There is no "echo-chamber" perpetuating the notion that a properly fitted face covering can reduce the spread of aerosols and droplets - only known and understood science. 

 

If the case rate continues to rise it won't simply be because some members of society have chosen not to wear masks after the 19th - and similarly, if it levels out or drops, it won't necessarily be because many have or vindicate not wearing them. Facemasks are a precautionary and in some cases, a preventative measure, but one of many. Infection and its spread is very complex and subject to many variables. 

 

Unfortunately, unlike you, I anticipate that most of the British public will dispense with them across the board, whilst those that elect to continue to use them will be pilloried and stigmatised by the scientifically illiterate. 

 

As I said previously, aside from coronavirus, wearing an N95 respirator while cycling or exercising in an urban environment is a no brainer. 

You really do stink this group out Mr Doom and Gloom. If you wish to wear a mask, you go ahead, but expect to be berated by people like me who aren’t mentally inept at deciding how to live our lives with freedom. Sad.

[ealingfox]

12 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

I was speaking to somebody that I went to school with yesterday who said that this weekend will effectively be her last weekend of socialising for the forseeable future as a result of the 19th restrictions ending. She has cystic fibrosis and had a lung transplant a few years ago, but naturally remains vulnerable to infection etc. 

 

I fully appreciate that the world cannot stop forever and circumstances like hers are few and far between, but one must feel incredibly let down and forgotten about in those situations. I also can't imagine the anger you'd have towards people who can't whack a mask on for a 5 minute browse around Waterstones for the sake of your health.

 

Did she ever socialise before Covid? 

[filbertway]

10 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

I was speaking to somebody that I went to school with yesterday who said that this weekend will effectively be her last weekend of socialising for the forseeable future as a result of the 19th restrictions ending. She has cystic fibrosis and had a lung transplant a few years ago, but naturally remains vulnerable to infection etc. 

 

I fully appreciate that the world cannot stop forever and circumstances like hers are few and far between, but one must feel incredibly let down and forgotten about in those situations. I also can't imagine the anger you'd have towards people who can't whack a mask on for a 5 minute browse around Waterstones for the sake of your health.

Can she not bang on one of the medical grade masks, there must be a top notch mask she can get to allow her to still go out? 

 

As you say, it's unfortunate for her. Much as it's been unfortunate for many people that have lost jobs and businesses they've put their heart and sould into. There's no solution that'll make everyone happy.

 

I hope she manages to figure something out anyway.

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

You really do stink this group out Mr Doom and Gloom. If you wish to wear a mask, you go ahead, but expect to be berated by people like me who aren’t mentally inept at deciding how to live our lives with freedom. Sad.

Is there an actually a scientific point to address the scientific points made going to be forthcoming here or is it just going to be ad hominems?

 

Totally fine if so, I've got a couple of my own.

[Guest Bert Fill]

12 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

You really do stink this group out Mr Doom and Gloom. If you wish to wear a mask, you go ahead, but expect to be berated by people like me who aren’t mentally inept at deciding how to live our lives with freedom. Sad.

But maybe pretty mentally inept when it comes to either giving a toss about other people or even just letting other people get on with making their own decisions, eh? Sad.

[Guest Bert Fill]

7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Is there an actually a scientific point to address the scientific points made going to be forthcoming here or is it just going to be ad hominems?

Hmm, tricky question that. I wonder…

[Guest Bert Fill]

14 minutes ago, filbertway said:

There's no solution that'll make everyone happy.

True. But there are solutions that might help fewer people die.

[ealingfox]

16 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

You really do stink this group out Mr Doom and Gloom. If you wish to wear a mask, you go ahead, but expect to be berated by people like me who aren’t mentally inept at deciding how to live our lives with freedom. Sad.

 

Would you actually berate someone for choosing to wear a mask ffs

 

I don't intend to wear one anywhere that I'm not required to but I've got no issue with people doing so.

[harpendenfox]

37 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

 

Yeah it's just pot luck I guess. Fingers crossed. 

Had both mine for a while now (I'm 54). After the first dose I felt a bit under the weather the day after, but that may simply be because we lost 1-3 to Arsenal on that day and Harvey got injured (genuinely - when City lose I'm a misery!). Second jab, nothing at all. I had AZ. My wife had Pfizer. Nothing to report after either jab.

[David Guiza]

4 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Did she ever socialise before Covid? 

Yes, though she, and anybody else with CF always have to be conscious of what she does and doesn't do and who she does/doesn't meet etc and that has just been exacerbated beyond recognition over the past 18 months. 

 

As I alluded to in my previous post, I appreciate that life is unfair and there has to be a limit to the sanctions and regulations placed over the majority for the sake of a small minority, but masks and social distancing etc within particular environments doesn't seem like a huge sacrifice to liberty if it can help the vulnerable/clinically vulnerable in the slightest to have a good quality of life. 

 

4 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Can she not bang on one of the medical grade masks, there must be a top notch mask she can get to allow her to still go out? 

 

As you say, it's unfortunate for her. Much as it's been unfortunate for many people that have lost jobs and businesses they've put their heart and sould into. There's no solution that'll make everyone happy.

 

I hope she manages to figure something out anyway.

I'm not sure, but I would imagine that would be beneficial. The issue, as with many other issues with regard to COVID, is the lack of certainty and medical research etc. I'm far from an expert in this field, but I would imagine that 18 months is still an incredibly small timeframe to measure certain diseases and their relationship with COVID. Taking CF as a example, I think deaths have actually been very low but the reason for that is perhaps down to shielding and isolation as much as potency or lack of in COVID itself. 

 

As you say, it's a fine balancing act that will never leave every individual satisfied and only time will tell as to whether it's ultimately a positive step or not. I don't think I've ever been more thankful that I am (or at least seem to be!) a fit and health young chap. 

[Soup]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

What did you have if you don't mind me asking? I have my second Pfizer next weekend and I'm not looking forward to it. 

Read this the other day mate. Could be nothing, but along with a few others on here I know you like your exercise.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/singapore-urging-people-to-avoid-exercise-for-a-week-after-getting-the-covid-shot-explained-7393908/lite/#aoh=16262716304620&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

Edited 14 July 2021 by Soup

[z-layrex]

Well work not looking great, filled up our last red (confirmed covid) bed yesterday so now we will move to having entire covid units again, and we've not even had July 19th yet. Gov is expecting third wave in August so they are planning double bed spacing and redeploying nurses again for then.

 

So far I can say I've not had one single double vaccinated admission. All are covid deniers, refused the vaccine, only had 1 dose or were too young to get it.

Edited 14 July 2021 by z-layrex

[Father Ted]

32 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Is there an actually a scientific point to address the scientific points made going to be forthcoming here or is it just going to be ad hominems?

 

Totally fine if so, I've got a couple of my own.

I’ll give you a pointer on a few statistics to source; 

 

Current number of UK Covid deaths per day 

 

Number of Covid deaths in under 55s with no underlying health conditions 

 

In comparison, the number of deaths from drowning, suicides and RTA in that same time period to the above (I’ll give you a clue, it’s a lot more than the above)

 

The average age of UK Covid death 

 

The percentage of UK covid deaths that took place in care homes.

The number of influenza deaths in comparison to Covid in the last 1 month 

 

Trundle off and do some research on the above. Screaming about wearing masks when the death rate has been well suppressed. 

[Father Ted]

24 minutes ago, Bert Fill said:

True. But there are solutions that might help fewer people die.

There are solutions that might help fewer people from falling down the stairs and dying, for example, all future housing to be bungalows, or to stop people from dying in car accidents, for example banning vehicles. What do you think?

[Father Ted]

24 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Would you actually berate someone for choosing to wear a mask ffs

 

I don't intend to wear one anywhere that I'm not required to but I've got no issue with people doing so.

Absolutely. I’ve had a year of vile and disgusting abuse thrown at me, despite having a hidden disabilities card. I will be giving volleys and volleys of abuse back.

[harpendenfox]

6 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Absolutely. I’ve had a year of vile and disgusting abuse thrown at me, despite having a hidden disabilities card. I will be giving volleys and volleys of abuse back.

No one should have thrown abuse at you. However, I will carry on wearing a mask in crowded places or indoors, simply because I would hate to inadvertently harm anyone around me. Masks are not the be all and end all of mitigation strategies, or course they are not. But I would be disappointed if you were to berate me when my intention is to signal I'm doing my best not to harm you.

[Father Ted]

1 minute ago, harpendenfox said:

No one should have thrown abuse at you. However, I will carry on wearing a mask in crowded places or indoors, simply because I would hate to inadvertently harm anyone around me. Masks are not the be all and end all of mitigation strategies, or course they are not. But I would be disappointed if you were to berate me when my intention is to signal I'm doing my best not to harm you.

Do you really think that somebody who walks past you in a supermarket is going to catch Covid, mask or no mask? Honestly. How many supermarkets have closed down from Covid outbreaks? How many shop assistants do you see not wearing masks? Go into Oadby Asda, be lucky to see one. 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

I’ll give you a pointer on a few statistics to source; 

 

Current number of UK Covid deaths per day 

 

Number of Covid deaths in under 55s with no underlying health conditions 

 

In comparison, the number of deaths from drowning, suicides and RTA in that same time period to the above (I’ll give you a clue, it’s a lot more than the above)

 

The average age of UK Covid death 

 

The percentage of UK covid deaths that took place in care homes.

The number of influenza deaths in comparison to Covid in the last 1 month 

 

Trundle off and do some research on the above. Screaming about wearing masks when the death rate has been well suppressed. 

Ah, good, now we're on topic! Good, I thought I'd have to go ad hominem and mention in this particular matter trusting the viewpoint of someone with a scientific background as opposed to an apologist for a convicted genocidal war criminal, now deceased- ah, bugger. Never mind.

 

Anyway:

 

As a counterpoint to the above, I would raise the point that death is not the only Covid outcome that would put strain on societal resources, that people getting sick with Covid and ending up needing treatment is going to block people getting treatments for cancers and other illnesses that will kill them (it's already done so, something you can look up there) and therefore limiting transmission by using masks will end up saving more lives, and costing next to nothing by comparison. Additionally:

 

2 minutes ago, harpendenfox said:

But I would be disappointed if you were to berate me when my intention is to signal I'm doing my best not to harm you.

This is salient.

 

It's awful that folks stopped to abuse you without getting the lay of the land, but an eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

[harpendenfox]

2 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Do you really think that somebody who walks past you in a supermarket is going to catch Covid, mask or no mask? Honestly. How many supermarkets have closed down from Covid outbreaks? How many shop assistants do you see not wearing masks? Go into Oadby Asda, be lucky to see one. 

It is unlikely, but it is not impossible. That's how a virus spreads, even in those of us who are vaccinated. So I shop in a Morrisons in St Albans, and by my unscientific data gathering mask wearing has remained very high - around 19 out of 20 I would guess. Whilst I don't massively like wearing a mask, it simply does not make me irate, and I guess I believe in people sticking together to do their utmost to protect one another rather than defining my freedom in terms of removal of my mask.