Coronavirus Thread

[Nalis]

Jeremy Hunt can fvck off with his pseudo 'caring' shite. He didnt give a shit on the NHS when he was Health Secretary vut now he doesnt have to be accountable for decisions he springs into life on sending we should do more for them??? Fvck off you spineless bellend.

 

[yorkie1999]

2 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

I presume these are vulnerable/elderly  people who haven’t been vaccinated or very sick people  who even with a vaccine would be at serious risk ?

Dunno, lad at work caught it last week, fit as a fiddle, coughing his lungs up now. Thing is, typical anti vaxer, so what do you say?

[enmac]

On 16/07/2021 at 10:07, dsr-burnley said:

Why don't we?  There were over half a million positive tests of under thirties before Christmas.  There have been millions more since.  235 of them have died, so surely they have been looking at the long term health of the survivors?

 

There is very little hard evidence that there is a long term effect on a significant number of under 30's.  There is a shedload of evidence that it doesn't kill them, and little reason to suspect it has a disproportionate long term effect on the survivors.  Find the evidence first before taking precautions against it.

There are a significant number of children with long covid. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

Best thing about the euros was being able to almost ignore this thread and news at times.

Agreed, hardly came on here when the Euros was going on. Roll on next weekend when the footy starts again. 
 

In the meantime...

 

 

[Heathrow fox]

54 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Saw this on another site:

 

“On this day last year there were 18 covid deaths, today there were 41. Last July 17th there were 144 hospital admissions, today there were 740, last year there were 144 patients on ventilators, today there are 551, last year there were 581 new cases, today there were 54,674”

 

Are these stats right?

 

As a CEV person this is rather alarming if true.

 

I think it’s about this time last year that we had a day of zero covid related deaths.There was a hope that we wouldn’t experience anymore waves.If you went back a year in time and told everyone that not only is there several vaccines now.Which have a very good success rate and massive take up,yet things were still rather dodgy,then you would see lot’s of baffled faces.

[Super_horns]

I really cannot see these restrictions being away for too long .

 

I know and agree we have to try and move on but it does seems we are going into a new wave ?

 

Or maybe it will settle once schools close .

 

 

Edited 17 July 2021 by Super_horns

[DennisNedry]

I think the seasonality factor (or rather the lack of it) with COVID has surprised many, even some epidemiologists. 

 

It needs to be remembered that we're dealing with a much much more virulent strain of the virus than we were last summer too. If Delta hadn't rocked up we'd be as good as home and dry by now.

Edited 17 July 2021 by DennisNedry

[z-layrex]

43 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

I really cannot see these restrictions being away for too long .

 

I know and agree we have to try and move on but it does seems we are going into a new wave ?

 

Or maybe it will settle once schools close .

 

 

I cant see how it's going anything but tits up.

[foxile5]

54 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

I really cannot see these restrictions being away for too long .

 

I know and agree we have to try and move on but it does seems we are going into a new wave ?

 

Or maybe it will settle once schools close .

 

 

Thing is Johnson has used the word 'irreversible' about this unlocking process and any further restrictions are going to be met with civil ire. Really poor forward planning. 

[Dahnsouff]

16 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

I cant see how it's going anything but tits up.

If we think that at some point this year (not saying we do, but for the sake of argument, let’s say this) - isn’t it better to do it in the Summer rather than the colder months?

[grth2004]

On 27/06/2021 at 17:05, Duquesne Whistle said:

If you're looking for reasoned debate, or indeed any debate at all, the new GB News channel on freeview at least raise and discuss both sides of arguments. You have to pick the programmes and presenters to suit your own taste and requirement, but they appear to be a far more reliable source of news after a few weeks broadcasting, than the likes of BBC, ITV, C4 and Sky UK news.

 

This didn’t age well 😂😂

[z-layrex]

5 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

This didn’t age well 😂😂

It's shockingly amateurish, not surprised ratings are plummeting.

Edited 17 July 2021 by z-layrex

[grth2004]

Just now, z-layrex said:

It's shockingly amateurish.

Worst TV news I’ve ever witnessed but strangely addictive to watch for a laugh 

[z-layrex]

1 minute ago, grth2004 said:

Worst TV news I’ve ever witnessed but strangely addictive to watch for a laugh 

It's like if you took Loose Women, The Wright Show and the Daily Mail comments section and made a TV channel out of it. Shambles.

[grth2004]

10 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

It's like if you took Loose Women, The Wright Show and the Daily Mail comments section and made a TV channel out of it. Shambles.

Add a bit of Alan Partridge and you’ve got a so bad it’s terrible show 

[Nalis]

3 hours ago, enmac said:

There are a significant number of children with long covid. 

What is the significant number? Do you have a percentage and if so is that of those childre  testing positive or all children?

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, DennisNedry said:

I think the seasonality factor (or rather the lack of it) with COVID has surprised many, even some epidemiologists. 

 

It needs to be remembered that we're dealing with a much much more virulent strain of the virus than we were last summer too. If Delta hadn't rocked up we'd be as good as home and dry by now.

Delta only rocked up in this country because Johnson and his cronies governed with utter stupidity and irresponsibility. 

[pazzerfox]

4 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Saw this on another site:

 

“On this day last year there were 18 covid deaths, today there were 41. Last July 17th there were 144 hospital admissions, today there were 740, last year there were 144 patients on ventilators, today there are 551, last year there were 581 new cases, today there were 54,674”

 

Are these stats right?

 

As a CEV person this is rather alarming if true.

 

Phew..At least the vaccines are working then!

[pazzerfox]

5 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I presume these are vulnerable/elderly  people who haven’t been vaccinated or very sick people  who even with a vaccine would be at serious risk ?

I would have thought all the elderly and vulnerable would have been double jabbed by now.

[Super_horns]

1 hour ago, pazzerfox said:

I would have thought all the elderly and vulnerable would have been double jabbed by now.

Yes but guess some might have refused and I understand some illnesses mean someone cannot get immunity after the jab.

 

Was talking to someone who lives in Australia earlier and they said their state has 18 cases but being shut down completely and you cannot travel more than 5km!

 

This is the 5th time that has happened to them .

 

Goodness knows how people would react  if that happened here !

 

 

Edited 17 July 2021 by Super_horns

[dsr-burnley]

6 hours ago, enmac said:

There are a significant number of children with long covid. 

How many?  And how does it compare with the number of children affected with long flu?

[dsr-burnley]

16 hours ago, reynard said:

That's not really the point though. Whether they choose to have the vaccine or not they will still end up in hospital and this is what we are seeing starting to happen now. The logical progression of your argument would be to refuse people medical help on the grounds they opted out of the vaccine and so we could say the same about any vaccine/medicine etc.

 

What we have here is a purely political decision not based on any sensible scientific rationale. Boris simply doesn't want to look like he's failed to deliver even though he's made stupid promises in the past and failed to do so. Add pressure from his own back bench MPs and we are where we are now.

 

Of course there is no perfect time to open up as you intimate. However, all we hear is that double vaccination is the key to this. That double vaccination makes a significant difference to the effects of the Delta variant and double vaccination makes a difference to the transmission rates of the other variants. We don't have enough evidence to know re Delta.  So the logic would be to hold off until all eligible adults have been offered their 2nd jab, perhaps a little over 4 weeks away. That would still be in the summer and holiday period but would give better protection to more people.

Seems a fair chance we are going to see significant rises in hospital admissions even if these are milder than in the past which in turn will lead to cancelled procedures. Add to that the NHS covid app pinging so many people including many in the NHS and social services it isn't hard to see a situation where restrictions will be required in the not too distant future to help prevent the collapse of health and social care in this country.

 

 

 

That's not logic at all.  Please don't make things up and assume that that is what I would have said if I hadn't said something different.  The point is, we have done lockdown, we have now found a vaccine, and if someone doesn't want the vaccine and would prefer that the rest of us lock down to save him having the jab, he can whistle.  He can shut himself away if he wants, or he can go out and risk the virus and be treated for it if he wants.  But I would no more deny an anti-vaccine person treatment ofr coronavirus than I would deny a fat person treatment for diabetes or a horse rider treatment for falling off or a dangerous driver treatment for his crash injuries.

[Dunge]

I’d be interested to know how many people consider themselves likely to change their behaviours from Monday? Is there anything you’d do different as compared to what you do now? How about family or acquaintances? For instance, I’m not sure the change will have much effect on me - I’ll likely continue with a mask in shops until further notice, and I’m wondering whether those that wouldn’t are already not doing so. ie, aside from saying it’s not illegal and more advisory, would much actually change practically?

 

I figure a big problem will be that “Freedom Day” effectively just becomes a w*nkers’ charter, that shop workers in Tesco’s and the likes will be met with some rude and belligerent people proudly slobbering that they don’t have to wear no mask no more. But beyond that, will there be an appreciable difference in public behaviour?

 

(This is all as opposed to reintroducing restrictions as compared to where we are pre-Freedom Day to suppress the current wave, which I imagine would go down as well as a serving of rat soup.)

[Innovindil]

Got to Scarborough yesterday with the family, no idea if the "they were social distancing at the beaches" of last year were true or not, but very few fuchs given down here now. Barely any masks on buses, in arcades or restaurants. Places are heaving ffs. 

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, Dunge said:

I’d be interested to know how many people consider themselves likely to change their behaviours from Monday? Is there anything you’d do different as compared to what you do now?

 

I figure a big problem will be that “Freedom Day” effectively just becomes a w*nkers’ charter, that shop workers in Tesco’s and the likes will be met with some rude and belligerent people proudly slobbering that they don’t have to wear no mask no more. But beyond that, will there be an appreciable difference in public behaviour?

 

(This is all as opposed to reintroducing restrictions as compared to where we are pre-Freedom Day to suppress the current wave, which I imagine would go down as well as a serving of rat soup.)

This is my issue - it’s simply unfair on workers.  Supermarkets/ retail chains/travel  should get together and  take out national media advertising stating that they require masks to be worn for the time being (if that’s what they believe makes their staff safer- having many of them pinged will cause big problems for them).  A statement that those who don’t have a medical reason for not wearing them will be escorted off their premises/buses/trains etc would I’m sure be appreciated by their staff. As you say, those who don’t want to wear one and don’t respect the wishes of others will take advantage of the law change and start an argument…….

Edited 18 July 2021 by st albans fox