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Parafox

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On 23/08/2021 at 18:39, lewisanthonymcde said:

Some if you need to give this a read rather than putting your trust into what the tell a vision tells you.

 

https://puretruth407214157.wordpress.com/2021/06/28/the-great-covid-33-reset-agenda-part-one-predictive-programming/

 

Check the others out on there too. 

I think you posted this tripe purely for reactions. If you genuinely believe this shite to be factual you need psychiatric help.

Or are you Donald Trump? If so, my final 4 words also apply.

 

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foxile5

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21 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I think you posted this tripe purely for reactions. If you genuinely believe this shite to be factual you need psychiatric help.

Or are you Donald Trump? If so, my final 4 words also apply.

 

The state of the nation, I'm afraid. 

 

We live in a post truth world where opinion and fact aren't necessarily at distinct. 

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SpacedX

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30 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

"Evidence based".  Are you watching Ferguson?  Heneghan talks a lot of sense.  It's a shame that govt haven't listened to his and similar views before enforcing restrictions on people.  

 

 

Sigh - this is more appeal to authority through Talk Radio. Remember what happened on previous occasions?

 

Ferguson, again? Your contention is with the inaccuracies of the modelling used - correct? What "restrictions" did Neil Ferguson impose? I'm aware of recommendations. 

 

We've had the discussion about Sweden on here innumerable times. I'm very happy to go there again if you like.

 

Or perhaps instead, your Cummings, Young and Yeadon posts?...all evidence based of course. 

 

 

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Soup

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46 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Sigh - this is more appeal to authority through Talk Radio. Remember what happened on previous occasions?

 

Ferguson, again? Your contention is with the inaccuracies of the modelling used - correct? What "restrictions" did Neil Ferguson impose? I'm aware of recommendations. 

 

We've had the discussion about Sweden on here innumerable times. I'm very happy to go there again if you like.

 

Or perhaps instead, your Cummings, Young and Yeadon posts?...all evidence based of course. 

 

 

Is Carl Heneghan outright wrong on this then? He's obviously qualified to give an opinion isn't he. Or is he seen as a bit of a twat in his community.

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Just now, Soup said:

Is Carl Heneghan outright wrong on this then? He's obviously qualified to give an opinion isn't he. Or is he seen as a bit of a twat in his community.

No he isn't outright wrong. There's much that he covers in this interview - but I'm not interested in an "opinion", rather weighing up his contentions. Sweden's approach to the pandemic been covered exhaustively in this thread. 

 

We've also discussed appeal to authority and confirmation bias countless times. Talk Radio courts controversy and stokes sensationalism. If Heneghan advocated lockdown and was critical of Sweden's approach which of course many do and are, this would never have been posted by 'Legend in Blue' and he would never have been invited onto this shit station.

 

And if credibility in his community was his priority, then he wouldn't be appearing on Murdoch's Talk Radio. 

 

Seriously though, do you remember the 'open letters' that we I mentioned to you yesterday? - and I impressed upon you that there have been many. During the second wave, Heneghan, who is director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford, was calling on the government to take a more targeted approach rather than blanket policy interventions and national lockdown. At the same time a letter from Trisha Greenhalgh, chair of primary care health sciences at Oxford University with 22 signatories, (who would never be invited on to Talk Radio or I would venture, wish to appear), put forward completely the reverse. stressing that although the incidence and outcomes of covid-19 vary across different groups, deaths have occurred in all age, sex, and ethnic groups and among people with no pre-existing medical conditions. They also pointed out that long covid, in which symptoms extend for weeks or months after infection was an emerging debilitating disease that we know little about - affecting tens of thousands of people in the UK and can occur in previously young and healthy individuals. We now now that lockdown was absolutely the right response last winter in the early stages of the vaccine rollout. 

 

As I also said yesterday, - it's important to widen dialogue - particularly in terms of policy. Agenda based populist cherry picking/confirmation bias that occasionally rears its head on this thread and is the stock in trade of junk like Talk Radio encourages completely the reverse. 

 

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6 hours ago, Line-X said:

No he isn't outright wrong. There's much that he covers in this interview - but I'm not interested in an "opinion", rather weighing up his contentions. Sweden's approach to the pandemic been covered exhaustively in this thread. 

 

We've also discussed appeal to authority and confirmation bias countless times. Talk Radio courts controversy and stokes sensationalism. If Heneghan advocated lockdown and was critical of Sweden's approach which of course many do and are, this would never have been posted by 'Legend in Blue' and he would never have been invited onto this shit station.

 

And if credibility in his community was his priority, then he wouldn't be appearing on Murdoch's Talk Radio. 

 

Seriously though, do you remember the 'open letters' that we I mentioned to you yesterday? - and I impressed upon you that there have been many. During the second wave, Heneghan, who is director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford, was calling on the government to take a more targeted approach rather than blanket policy interventions and national lockdown. At the same time a letter from Trisha Greenhalgh, chair of primary care health sciences at Oxford University with 22 signatories, (who would never be invited on to Talk Radio or I would venture, wish to appear), put forward completely the reverse. stressing that although the incidence and outcomes of covid-19 vary across different groups, deaths have occurred in all age, sex, and ethnic groups and among people with no pre-existing medical conditions. They also pointed out that long covid, in which symptoms extend for weeks or months after infection was an emerging debilitating disease that we know little about - affecting tens of thousands of people in the UK and can occur in previously young and healthy individuals. We now now that lockdown was absolutely the right response last winter in the early stages of the vaccine rollout. 

 

As I also said yesterday, - it's important to widen dialogue - particularly in terms of policy. Agenda based populist cherry picking/confirmation bias that occasionally rears its head on this thread and is the stock in trade of junk like Talk Radio encourages completely the reverse. 

 

Fair points as always  but not sure why you keep mentioning confirmation bias on here. Doesn't everybody suffer from that? I mean you talk about Trisha Greenlalgh but isn't she confirming what you believe to be true (or what you want to be true)  Or does it only apply to thickos like me haha.

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4 hours ago, Soup said:

Fair points as always  but not sure why you keep mentioning confirmation bias on here. Doesn't everybody suffer from that? I mean you talk about Trisha Greenlalgh but isn't she confirming what you believe to be true (or what you want to be true)  Or does it only apply to thickos like me haha.

But that's what I'm highlighting the danger of. I  mentioned Greenlaigh precisely to illustrate that very point, whilst not taking a stance myself. Also, the quest of evidence based science that we are discussing here is not a question of "belief". It's important to critically appraise both sides or multiple facets to an argument (within reason), which is why I'm so amused by believers in online conspiracy that brand themselves "critical thinkers" whilst at the same time gullibly consuming and regurgitating such trammelled, indoctrinated and ignorant viewpoints. A search engine will return whatever you instruct it to. Unfortunately, populism based upon preconceptions and emotional investment has polarised opinion - at the expense of fact - and kills constructive debate. Dialectics and rational discourse are dying. 

 

And actually, specialisms can very much breed siloed thinking - I see it all the time in academia. So being a "thicko" (which you are not ffs) has nothing to do with it, unless of course you're mindlessly accommodating and parroting the manner of conspiratorial horseshit that appeared on this thread earlier in the week, (which actually is so utterly absurd, it has to be an existing member using a troll account). 

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12 minutes ago, Line-X said:

And actually, specialisms can very much breed siloed thinking - I see it all the time in academia. So being a "thicko" (which you are not ffs) has nothing to do with it, unless of course you're mindlessly accommodating and parroting the manner of conspiratorial horseshit that appeared on this thread earlier in the week, (which actually is so utterly absurd, it has to be an existing member using a troll account). 

I genuinely don't believe in what appeared in the thread earlier in the week. In truth I didn't even read it as I've read stuff like that in the the past and I can't get my head around some of the stuff. You know the Great reset stuff, like you'll own nothing but be happy? How the hell is that gonna work haha! 

 

Trouble is loads of stuff just niggles me, I don't know why but it does. I can't get on board with the narrative stuff that only vaccine matters and nothing else etc. Don't bother getting healthier, in fact get fatter as there's another booster jab around the corner and that'll sort you out. Sorry I'm rambling now,  maybe it's because the missus is fed of me moaning and that's why I come on here. I'll leave you to your day:D

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Taste and smell is that bad still that I forgot our coffee machine has no coffee in it this morning and drank a cup of dregs and milk. Only realised when I went back for a second.

 

Takes the piss.

My mum lost her taste for near on 4 years after Pneumonia, she complained everything tasted like cardboard. On the plus side she was easily pleased when I took her out for something to eat.

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7 minutes ago, Soup said:

My mum lost her taste for near on 4 years after Pneumonia, she complained everything tasted like cardboard. On the plus side she was easily pleased when I took her out for something to eat.

Ouch, that is a bit shit.

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17 minutes ago, Soup said:

My mum lost her taste for near on 4 years after Pneumonia, she complained everything tasted like cardboard. On the plus side she was easily pleased when I took her out for something to eat.

 

Soup: "What are you having, Mum?"

 Mrs. Soup Senior: "I'll start with the filou parcels of cardboard with a cardboard garnish, Soup, love. Then cardboard cutlets, medium rare, drizzled with a cardboard coulis served with a macédoine of cardboard - and cardboard sorbet for dessert".

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5 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Soup: "What are you having, Mum?"

 Mrs. Soup Senior: "I'll start with the filou parcels of cardboard with a cardboard garnish, Soup, love. Then cardboard cutlets, medium rare, drizzled with a cardboard coulis served with a macédoine of cardboard - and cardboard sorbet for dessert".

Mate I sort of made a joke about sharing a takeaway pizza once..... She didn't laugh

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On 25/08/2021 at 19:09, Legend_in_blue said:

 

"Evidence based".  Are you watching Ferguson?  Heneghan talks a lot of sense.  It's a shame that govt haven't listened to his and similar views before enforcing restrictions on people.  

 

 

The government DID listen to him. Sunak invited Heneghan and Sunetra Gupta last autumn and that’s how we ended up with regional targeted lockdowns, a system which was a complete mess and thousands of unnecessary deaths over the winter. 
 

We all hate restrictions but when vaccines were on the horizon but not quite ready, we should’ve been in restrictions all along at that stage. If vaccines didn’t come along then I may think differently, but people died unnecessarily because of Heneghan and his views. 

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6 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Sore throat, temperature but got the chills and my feet feel freezing. Did a test earlier and was negative but wil do another one tomorrow as well.

 

I've deffo caught the FanClub variant.

There is a lot of non covid stuff doing the rounds now we are all intermingling again …..

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