Coronavirus Thread

[Unabomber]

Just had my second jab and as I was waiting for the 15 minutes a family of 4 walked in the exit. The guy running the show was like woah guys that’s the exit, are you here for vaccines? They were like no we want the test centre. Man how stupid can you be walking in the exit of a vaccine centre with covid symptoms cos you want a test?! There are signs everywhere. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

6 hours ago, Lionator said:

Get a PCR, not a lateral flow. 

 

5 hours ago, st albans fox said:

There is a lot of non covid stuff doing the rounds now we are all intermingling again …..

Weirdly I feel fine this morning, other than a sore throat. I was up till 3 sweating my tits off as well.

 

Will do a LFT today and tomorrow though, just to be safe.

[UniFox21]

58 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

Weirdly I feel fine this morning, other than a sore throat. I was up till 3 sweating my tits off as well.

 

Will do a LFT today and tomorrow though, just to be safe.

Would still go for a PCR mate, just to be on the safe side. 

[SemperEadem]

Italy supposedly looking at changing rules on ins and outs on Monday. Anyone know what the rates are looking like over there?

[UniFox21]

1 minute ago, SemperEadem said:

Italy supposedly looking at changing rules on ins and outs on Monday. Anyone know what the rates are looking like over there?

Google suggests around 7.2k new cases and around 43 deaths. 

[yorkie1999]

14 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Sore throat, temperature but got the chills and my feet feel freezing. Did a test earlier and was negative but wil do another one tomorrow as well.

 

I've deffo caught the FanClub variant.

Cold feet = Blood clot.

[Super_horns]

Do we know what group of people are dying now ?

 

Are they very vulnerable maybe elderly folk who even with the vaccine were at very serious  risk of passing away?

 

Or maybe those who have refused the vaccine and in the vulnerable group ?

Edited 27 August 2021 by Super_horns

[Bellend Sebastian]

The two women with their big 'COVID LIES' banner next to the Fosse Park roundabout just now really made me think - about what had gone wrong in their lives

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Do we know what group of people are dying now ?

 

Are they very vulnerable maybe elderly folk who even with the vaccine were at very serious  risk of passing away?

 

Or maybe those who have refused the vaccine and in the vulnerable group ?

Friend of a friend in the North West lost her 27 year old son two weeks ago to covid. He’d refused the vaccine and left behind a 3&1 year old. Which is terrifying. But mainly I believe 50%+ are double vaccinated which would indicate it is indeed a bit of both, vulnerable people where any viral infection could kill them and the unvaccinated unlucky ones. 

[dsr-burnley]

5 hours ago, Lionator said:

Friend of a friend in the North West lost her 27 year old son two weeks ago to covid. He’d refused the vaccine and left behind a 3&1 year old. Which is terrifying. But mainly I believe 50%+ are double vaccinated which would indicate it is indeed a bit of both, vulnerable people where any viral infection could kill them and the unvaccinated unlucky ones. 

I like statisitcs, and I have been playing with them.  And I worked out some very interesting numbers.  (Interesting to me, anyway.)

 

The point was that the worst week for deaths was 29th January, 8,433.  The latest week we have to date is 13th August, 571 deaths.  But they keep telling us that the current wave is as bad as the January wave in terms of cases.  Therefore, all else being equal, the number of deaths would be the same.

 

But all else isn't equal; we have been vaccinated.  So I took the number of deaths in January but reduced it by the percentage of people fully vaccinated per age group.  Ranging from 22% for 20-24 up to 97% for 75-79.  (Over 80, strangely, only 90%.  This seems intuitively wrong and the figures bear out that it may be too low.)  

 

This would give the expected number of deaths if vaccination guaranteed immunity, with transmission unaffected and the same number of cases as now.

 

In outline: 

Under 55's.  Week ended 29th January 350 deaths, this number of deaths adjusted by vaccination percentage would reduce to 68, actual number in week to 10th September =  61.

 

Age 55-79.  Week ended 29th January 2,979 deaths, this number of deaths adjusted by vaccination percentage would reduce to 137, actual number in week to 10th September =  261.

 

Age 80+.  Week ended 29th January 5,104 deaths, this number of deaths adjusted by vaccination percentage would reduce to 469, actual number in week to 10th September =  249.

 

These are broad brush.  They take no account of partial vaccination and there is a bit of a date shift, because double jabs are up to 12th August.  But it gives a good rough guide, IMO.  (I could put the age bands into smaller, 5-year bands, but the figures are consistent within these groups so there's no point.)

 

My conclusions, based on these statistics:

 

Under 55's - the vaccine confers near-immunity from death.  The number actually dying is roughly what we would expect if only the unvaccinated ever died.  The risk was already very low, now it's even lower.

 

Age 55-79.  Half the deaths are unvaccinated people who took their chance and lost; the other half are the unlucky where the vaccine didn't work for them, or perhaps were too ill with other stuff that they couldn't survive.  However, leaving aside the 137 theoretically unvaccinated, the number would drop from 2,842 to 124, a 95.6% life saving ratio.

 

Age 80+ - here's where it falls down.  The deaths are far lower than they ought to be.  (Which is good!)  My best guess would be that the ONS population statistics are not accurate so the percentage vaccinated is not accurate.  My second best guess is that the infection rate among the old is much lower now than it was then, though that seems intuitively impossible as they were under strict lockdown then and they aren't now.  One thing is certain, that the vaccine is doing a fantastic job in this age group, however we turn the figures round and round or upside down.

 

Ultimate conclusion - younger ages, it's the unvaccinated who are dying; older ages, half and half, with the caveat that there are 20 times as many vaccinated people (95% take-up) than unvaccinated.

Edited 28 August 2021 by dsr-burnley

[z-layrex]

Work is really really bad again, we have had so many experienced nurses leave that it's making things incredibly difficult. There have been over 80 referrals to the ECMO network in 3 days, these are huge numbers and we cannot accommodate that in any way. There is talk of forcing those nurses who have left ICU but still work within our education partnership across London to return, which is no way to treat human beings. Nursing has become such a god awful career choice, don't let your kids do it, I wouldn't mine.

 

All unvaccinated young people and post-partum.

[Scotch]

Man, it's clear as day that we are heading for more restrictions again. 

[Nalis]

37 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

Work is really really bad again, we have had so many experienced nurses leave that it's making things incredibly difficult. There have been over 80 referrals to the ECMO network in 3 days, these are huge numbers and we cannot accommodate that in any way. There is talk of forcing those nurses who have left ICU but still work within our education partnership across London to return, which is no way to treat human beings. Nursing has become such a god awful career choice, don't let your kids do it, I wouldn't mine.

 

All unvaccinated young people and post-partum.

That is fvcking unavoidably depressing 

[z-layrex]

1 minute ago, Nalis said:

That is fvcking unavoidably depressing 

Would it would be more depressing if they were vaccinated? I dont even know anymore.

 

We've lost all compassion for our patients, those that refused the vaccine anyway. ****ing bizarre time to work in healthcare, not something I would ever think I'd see. 

[Nalis]

I was compliant all the way through but I feel close to being done with it all if restrictions come back and just ignoring them if they do.

 

When will this stop? Is it just going to mean we spend years of being able to do what we want for a couple of months of the summer and not making plans in order to lock down the other 10?

 

The fact was have a solution in the vaccine but people are choosing not to take it up is just the icing the cake really...

 

 

[Nalis]

2 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

Would it would be more depressing if they were vaccinated? I dont even know anymore.

 

We've lost all compassion for our patients, those that refused the vaccine anyway. ****ing bizarre time to work in healthcare, not something I would ever think I'd see. 

I think its that if they were vaccinated they probably wouldnt be in hospital in the first place.

 

I feel for you and your colleagues though I realise my current attitude in my latest post probably doesnt help.

[z-layrex]

I dont understand why the media cant just walk around all the ICU's filming what is mostly unvaccinated patients, and just campaign it in the news, ad breaks, YouTube ads etc. 

[fox_favourite]

Is there a lot of cold like bugs going around that aren’t covid?
 

I had a cold a couple of weeks ago, usual cold and I do lateral flows 2 times a week sometimes 3 for work - all negative. When it started I took a couple of extra ones all negative but took a couple of days of work just in case. Cough started, which isn’t unusual for me as I always get one with a cold without fail, but after 3 days decided to get a PCR even though lateral flows were all negative still, just to make sure. This came back negative as well. Only coughed to clear the phlegm from my throat, so nothing too bad. A week later cleared but have been getting night sweats, but temp always been in and around my usual range 36.1-36.4. My wife says it’s because it’s muggy.
 

My kids have had colds 3 weeks ago and when my son did have a high temp took him for a PCR and again negative. 

 

none of us seriously ill and 2yrs ago wouldn’t even thought anything of it. I’m fully vac as well. 

[fox_favourite]

35 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

I dont understand why the media cant just walk around all the ICU's filming what is mostly unvaccinated patients, and just campaign it in the news, ad breaks, YouTube ads etc. 

I feel for you! I work in education and I rarely see any mask wearing, it’s like the attitude is that this is all over, which I’m finding hard. People don’t social distance when you’re out and about any more and I feel that this is going to make your job harder. 
 

You have my full respect for what you do as a profession! 

[Phil Bowman]

47 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Is there a lot of cold like bugs going around that aren’t covid?

It seems inevitable that there will be. Colds are always doing the rounds, and now there’s a lot less distancing and mask wearing, people will be getting these bugs again.

I guess it shows how effective masks/distancing/handwashing are - nobody in our household has had a cold for about eighteen months. Until last week.

[st albans fox]

we quickly forget the poor sods who have to work in the NHS at the sharp end and deal with the avalanche of patients

 

I’m afraid it’s the right of people to refuse the vaccine - but somewhere there has to be balance.  Surely those who have had the vaccine are less likely to put a strain on healthcare - hence why not give them a tax break ??   A no cost way of doing this is to put up income tax by a certain amount and then reduce by the same figure for the vaccinated. 
 

After all, those who smoke pay for their health risk via the huge taxes on fags. 

those who choose not to be vaccinated are not contributing anything extra to cover their higher risk 

 

of course those who cannot be vaccinated for real medical reasons should not be left behind on tax breaks etc ….

 

[Guest ttfn]

3 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

Is there a lot of cold like bugs going around that aren’t covid?
 

I had a cold a couple of weeks ago, usual cold and I do lateral flows 2 times a week sometimes 3 for work - all negative. When it started I took a couple of extra ones all negative but took a couple of days of work just in case. Cough started, which isn’t unusual for me as I always get one with a cold without fail, but after 3 days decided to get a PCR even though lateral flows were all negative still, just to make sure. This came back negative as well. Only coughed to clear the phlegm from my throat, so nothing too bad. A week later cleared but have been getting night sweats, but temp always been in and around my usual range 36.1-36.4. My wife says it’s because it’s muggy.
 

My kids have had colds 3 weeks ago and when my son did have a high temp took him for a PCR and again negative. 

 

none of us seriously ill and 2yrs ago wouldn’t even thought anything of it. I’m fully vac as well. 

I had the worst cold I’ve had for about 5 years last week, it absolutely floored me. Same symptoms as you. My kids have really suffered with it too.

 

It’s not Covid. But it was really unpleasant. 

[Otis]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I’m afraid it’s the right of people to refuse the vaccine - but somewhere there has to be balance.  Surely those who have had the vaccine are less likely to put a strain on healthcare - hence why not give them a tax break ??   A no cost way of doing this is to put up income tax by a certain amount and then reduce by the same figure for the vaccinated. 

We could do the same with people who eat 5 fruit and veg a day🍏🍌, those who don't participate in dangerous sports, people who exercise regularly🏃‍♀️🚶‍♂️. 

🤔

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, Otis said:

We could do the same with people who eat 5 fruit and veg a day🍏🍌, those who don't participate in dangerous sports, people who exercise regularly🏃‍♀️🚶‍♂️. 

🤔

People who participate in dangerous sports should pay a premium IMO 

 

the other stuff is just facetious …….

[whoareyaaa]

11 hours ago, z-layrex said:

Would it would be more depressing if they were vaccinated? I dont even know anymore.

 

We've lost all compassion for our patients, those that refused the vaccine anyway. ****ing bizarre time to work in healthcare, not something I would ever think I'd see. 

how come a lot of footballers are not being vaccinated? what kind of young people are you seeing in ICUs I've still not had mine but really considering getting it now.. which vaccine is the least likely to cause any side effects and do you get a choice of which you can have?