Coronavirus Thread

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, Otis said:

What? I don't follow. 

at various times, It generally smells like someone has used a potty……….

 

 

Friday night humour …..

 

 

 

[reynard]

42 minutes ago, Otis said:

So I take it you've worn a mask all your life?

Well I'm not 100% sure what point you are trying to make here. If you are having a dig at me , fine.

I've travelled a lot for work in the last 25 years. An old friend of mine, a medic sadly now deceased, gave me some advice I've followed for the last 20 odd years. 1 was to always carry some hand gel and to use it frequently, the other was to wear a face mask in crowded places like public transport. I've basically followed this advice and in the last 20 years have not had to have a day off sick from work. 

I've used hand gel for eg after each time I've filled the car with petrol, and worn a mask in many crowded settings. Of course people have looked at me like I'm a bit stupid but I've always been confident in the advice I was given many years ago.

So no I haven't worn a mask all my life but have you lived through a global pandemic before? I guess the answer is no.

 

The fact that the great public have to be basically told to wash their hands shows how stupid a lot of people are. The fact that people seem to think wearing masks is both unnecessary or stupid or just  a pain in the arse shows how stupid people can be I'm afraid. 1918-1920 is the last time the world faced such a medical problem. We seem to have learnt little from what happened then and the same mistakes have been made. 

 

[Legend_in_blue]

10 minutes ago, reynard said:

Well I'm not 100% sure what point you are trying to make here. If you are having a dig at me , fine.

I've travelled a lot for work in the last 25 years. An old friend of mine, a medic sadly now deceased, gave me some advice I've followed for the last 20 odd years. 1 was to always carry some hand gel and to use it frequently, the other was to wear a face mask in crowded places like public transport. I've basically followed this advice and in the last 20 years have not had to have a day off sick from work. 

I've used hand gel for eg after each time I've filled the car with petrol, and worn a mask in many crowded settings. Of course people have looked at me like I'm a bit stupid but I've always been confident in the advice I was given many years ago.

So no I haven't worn a mask all my life but have you lived through a global pandemic before? I guess the answer is no.

 

The fact that the great public have to be basically told to wash their hands shows how stupid a lot of people are. The fact that people seem to think wearing masks is both unnecessary or stupid or just  a pain in the arse shows how stupid people can be I'm afraid. 1918-1920 is the last time the world faced such a medical problem. We seem to have learnt little from what happened then and the same mistakes have been made. 

 

 

 

[Otis]

22 minutes ago, reynard said:

Well I'm not 100% sure what point you are trying to make here. If you are having a dig at me , fine.

I've travelled a lot for work in the last 25 years. An old friend of mine, a medic sadly now deceased, gave me some advice I've followed for the last 20 odd years. 1 was to always carry some hand gel and to use it frequently, the other was to wear a face mask in crowded places like public transport. I've basically followed this advice and in the last 20 years have not had to have a day off sick from work. 

I've used hand gel for eg after each time I've filled the car with petrol, and worn a mask in many crowded settings. Of course people have looked at me like I'm a bit stupid but I've always been confident in the advice I was given many years ago.

So no I haven't worn a mask all my life but have you lived through a global pandemic before? I guess the answer is no.

 

The fact that the great public have to be basically told to wash their hands shows how stupid a lot of people are. The fact that people seem to think wearing masks is both unnecessary or stupid or just  a pain in the arse shows how stupid people can be I'm afraid. 1918-1920 is the last time the world faced such a medical problem. We seem to have learnt little from what happened then and the same mistakes have been made. 

 

Each to there own if you want to wear a mask and it makes you feel safer, it seems your have worm one sporadically for many years. 

But stating you haven't had a day off sick from work because of this isn't telling the whole story. I take it you have been ill but still chose to go into work and potentially pass your infection on which is nothing to Bragg about. 

Anyway my point is that "if it makes 1% difference" than why haven't you worn a mask every day? Global pandemic or not.

It's when you call everyone else stupid that's gets people, even though they aren't breaking any rules.

The Death rate of this pandemic in the UK is far lower in real and percentage terms than in 1918 to suggest we haven't learnt anything undervalues the work of medical professionals and scientists of the last 100 years.

[Otis]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

I am almost certain the covid pandemic hasn't existed your whole life though.  That would explain the potty thing if it has though.

No but respiratory diseases have, Which was my point. 

Keep making the childish comments though, they're hilarious. 

 

Going around in circles here... 

[Carl the Llama]

8 minutes ago, Otis said:

No but respiratory diseases have, Which was my point. 

Keep making the childish comments though, they're hilarious. 

 

Going around in circles here... 

I'm only being facile to highlight your flawed logic.  If you think "I take it you've worn a mask all your life" is a reasonable response to someone picking up the habit of wearing a mask in response to the covid pandemic then it seems pretty logical to conclude that you don't believe people should ever learn new behaviours in response to changing circumstances (ie. being told you're a big boy now and you need to start going toilet like one). 

 

That said your latest response does suggest 2 more inferences in that maybe you just believe that either Covid is no more dangerous than any other airborne respiratory disease of the past few decades or that those diseases have always posed this much of a threat to our society, that our healthcare system has always been struggling this much to deal with them.  Neither inference is any more flattering than my previous take, they both require mind boggling amounts of ignorance to hold with sincerity.  So either you've done a really poor job of making your point or you should probably stop trying to make it.

[Heathrow fox]

2 hours ago, Stivo said:

If you put a Leicester post code into the government covid dashboard you can see local healthcare stats which in this case is for the 3 hospitals in Leicestershire. ( Glenfield, General and Royal infirmary) There are 104 covid patients and 9 in ICU. The hospitals had about 50 ICU beds before the pandemic started although during the peaks they have created many more.

Interesting,but to be clear I was speculating how many UK hospital’s have facilities for covid patients.I would imagine the majority of the 1200 we have are now glorified Doctors surgeries.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

I'm only being facile to highlight your flawed logic.  If you think "I take it you've worn a mask all your life" is a reasonable response to someone picking up the habit of wearing a mask in response to the covid pandemic then it seems pretty logical to conclude that you don't believe people should ever learn new behaviours in response to changing circumstances (ie. being told you're a big boy now and you need to start going toilet like one). 

 

That said your latest response does suggest 2 more inferences in that maybe you just believe that either Covid is no more dangerous than any other airborne respiratory disease of the past few decades or that those diseases have always posed this much of a threat to our society, that our healthcare system has always been struggling this much to deal with them.  Neither inference is any more flattering than my previous take, they both require mind boggling amounts of ignorance to hold with sincerity.  So either you've done a really poor job of making your point or you should probably stop trying to make it.

I don't think it's this so much as lack of empathy, tbh.

 

Why care about this matter if when you get it it probably won't affect you that badly because your immune system can likely deal with it well....right?

[SpacedX]

The arrival of antivirals this winter should help to reduce clinical burden. The government have struck a deal with Merck to supply molnupiravir by November with Pfizer's ritonavir product arriving in the new year. However both treatments will need approval by the MHRA first. The use of the steroid dexamethasone is believed to have saved 22,000 lives in the UK during the pandemic and over million globally. The idea is to treat elderly people and the immunocompromised - those who are most likely to be hospitalised with severe illness over the winter through the provision of a pill that can be taken at home in the next few months before the predicted peak. 

[Stivo]

9 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Interesting,but to be clear I was speculating how many UK hospital’s have facilities for covid patients.I would imagine the majority of the 1200 we have are now glorified Doctors surgeries.

Yes I understand and was trying to back you up.  If Leicester is typical and nhs hospitals have of the order of 30 patients each, and there are  7000 patients in total then there must of the order of 250 large mainstream hospitals in the uk.   The 1200 includes private hospitals, specialist hospitals in London etc etc.  There are about 180 hospitals with a&e departments for example.

[Guest Col city fan]

2 hours ago, Line-X said:

The arrival of antivirals this winter should help to reduce clinical burden. The government have struck a deal with Merck to supply molnupiravir by November with Pfizer's ritonavir product arriving in the new year. However both treatments will need approval by the MHRA first. The use of the steroid dexamethasone is believed to have saved 22,000 lives in the UK during the pandemic and over million globally. The idea is to treat elderly people and the immunocompromised - those who are most likely to be hospitalised with severe illness over the winter through the provision of a pill that can be taken at home in the next few months before the predicted peak. 

Good info

Cheers 👍

[Guest Col city fan]

I’m a little dismayed that so many people don’t think that wearing face masks makes any difference.

Let me tell you, it does. 
I don’t mean this thing about having an old one in your pocket that gets dirty and you wear it time and time again. I mean using fresh ones, correctly.

I can also tell you that the huge majority of patients with Covid on ICU’s are people who haven’t been vaccinated.

There ARE some people who have gotten ill due to Covid who have had both vaccines but again, these are vastly in the minority.

Think about it, get yourself a box of fresh masks and when you are entering very public spaces, indoors, pop one on. Like cinemas, supermarkets etc

It’ll make a difference, believe me 

[z-layrex]

50 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I’m a little dismayed that so many people don’t think that wearing face masks makes any difference.

Let me tell you, it does. 
I don’t mean this thing about having an old one in your pocket that gets dirty and you wear it time and time again. I mean using fresh ones, correctly.

I can also tell you that the huge majority of patients with Covid on ICU’s are people who haven’t been vaccinated.

There ARE some people who have gotten ill due to Covid who have had both vaccines but again, these are vastly in the minority.

Think about it, get yourself a box of fresh masks and when you are entering very public spaces, indoors, pop one on. Like cinemas, supermarkets etc

It’ll make a difference, believe me 

I gave up trying to tell people this ages ago. Quitting icu too along with most of my colleagues because we just don't care anymore. Of our 400 icu nurses half have now quit and more every week. As soon as I can find something else that will improve my quality of life I'm gone, even if it's a demotion.

Edited 23 October 2021 by z-layrex

[st albans fox]

49 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I’m a little dismayed that so many people don’t think that wearing face masks makes any difference.

Let me tell you, it does. 
I don’t mean this thing about having an old one in your pocket that gets dirty and you wear it time and time again. I mean using fresh ones, correctly.

I can also tell you that the huge majority of patients with Covid on ICU’s are people who haven’t been vaccinated.

There ARE some people who have gotten ill due to Covid who have had both vaccines but again, these are vastly in the minority.

Think about it, get yourself a box of fresh masks and when you are entering very public spaces, indoors, pop one on. Like cinemas, supermarkets etc

It’ll make a difference, believe me 

The thing I don’t understand col, is what difference, even if it doesn’t ?

 

surely the chance that it might is worth wearing it ? what have you got to lose ??  And it’s just possible that you might help by not infecting someone else if you are carrying the virus a day or so before symptoms begin to show,  it astonishes me to see some over 70’s wandering around supermarkets without a mask on. (I’m sure not all of them are hard of hearing ).  it’s like playing a game of Russian roulette where the chamber has 10,000 bullets in it but only one is occupied …..why take the risk ?

[leicsmac]

27 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

I gave up trying to tell people this ages ago. Quitting icu too along with most of my colleagues because we just don't care anymore. Of our 400 icu nurses half have now quit and more every week. As soon as I can find something else that will improve my quality of life I'm gone, even if it's a demotion.

I can only imagine what it's like being on the front line of it all and then having people who have no idea of your experiences tell you that - at least in some way - you're living a lie.

 

That level of denial will lead an awful lot of people to no good end, and it's awful to know that and feel you can't really do much about it.

[Legend_in_blue]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I’m a little dismayed that so many people don’t think that wearing face masks makes any difference.

Let me tell you, it does. 
I don’t mean this thing about having an old one in your pocket that gets dirty and you wear it time and time again. I mean using fresh ones, correctly.

I can also tell you that the huge majority of patients with Covid on ICU’s are people who haven’t been vaccinated.

There ARE some people who have gotten ill due to Covid who have had both vaccines but again, these are vastly in the minority.

Think about it, get yourself a box of fresh masks and when you are entering very public spaces, indoors, pop one on. Like cinemas, supermarkets etc

It’ll make a difference, believe me 

Please provide the real world data that masks make a difference.  Not clinical, peer reviewed trials in a medical setting, real world data.  I am struggling to find any.

[filthyfox]

33 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

The thing I don’t understand col, is what difference, even if it doesn’t ?

 

surely the chance that it might is worth wearing it ? what have you got to lose ??  And it’s just possible that you might help by not infecting someone else if you are carrying the virus a day or so before symptoms begin to show,  it astonishes me to see some over 70’s wandering around supermarkets without a mask on. (I’m sure not all of them are hard of hearing ).  it’s like playing a game of Russian roulette where the chamber has 10,000 bullets in it but only one is occupied …..why take the risk ?

10000-1?   nah,bad odds those.

 

[FoxesDeb]

13 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Please provide the real world data that masks make a difference.  Not clinical, peer reviewed trials in a medical setting, real world data.  I am struggling to find any.

Something like this? 

 

https://theconversation.com/evidence-shows-that-yes-masks-prevent-covid-19-and-surgical-masks-are-the-way-to-go-167963

[leicsmac]

14 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Please provide the real world data that masks make a difference.  Not clinical, peer reviewed trials in a medical setting, real world data.  I am struggling to find any.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00304-7/fulltext

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/51/32293?fbclid=IwAR0VHb462M7hZ_dOUo82g9dcmkxPsabzOxNKCopm6deQ852cpYTuTo-i_B0

 

All studies taken out in the world, not in a lab.

[Guest Col city fan]

17 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Please provide the real world data that masks make a difference.  Not clinical, peer reviewed trials in a medical setting, real world data.  I am struggling to find any.

There’s no point with people like yourself mate, gotta be honest. You’ve pretty much decided, it would appear, that none of the PPE helps so I don’t think I’ll change your view.

[Guest Col city fan]

54 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

I gave up trying to tell people this ages ago. Quitting icu too along with most of my colleagues because we just don't care anymore. Of our 400 icu nurses half have now quit and more every week. As soon as I can find something else that will improve my quality of life I'm gone, even if it's a demotion.

Genuinely sorry to hear this mate 

[z-layrex]

33 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I can only imagine what it's like being on the front line of it all and then having people who have no idea of your experiences tell you that - at least in some way - you're living a lie.

 

That level of denial will lead an awful lot of people to no good end, and it's awful to know that and feel you can't really do much about it.

The first 2 waves we were fine, it was of course insane but we were all in it together.

 

Now the people too stupid to get vaccinated gave us a third wave, the tail end of which we are still stuck with. The compassion fatigue and burnout is insane.

 

It's also the PPE, I can't take 13 hour shifts in a mask and plastic anymore, this isn't a life. Plus we got our pay cut, again. Plus our trust just doesn't care.

 

Why would anyone do this job anymore?

Edited 23 October 2021 by z-layrex

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

The first 2 waves we were fine, it was of course insane but we were all in it together.

 

Now the people too stupid to get vaccinated gave us a third wave, the tail end of which we are still stuck with. The compassion fatigue and burnout is insane.

 

It's also the PPE, I can't take 13 hour shifts in a mask and plastic anymore, this isn't a life. Plus we got our pay cut, again. Plus our trust just doesn't care.

 

Why would anyone do this job anymore?

I'm truly sorry that it's come to this for you and for a lot of other people.

[Claridge]

44 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Please provide the real world data that masks make a difference.  Not clinical, peer reviewed trials in a medical setting, real world data.  I am struggling to find any.

Doctors and nurses wear them, which should be all the evidence you need ,unless you are a  complete moron who listens to idiots on social media who post quotes from a doctor of no real degree saying they don't wear one

[Spudulike]

24 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

The first 2 waves we were fine, it was of course insane but we were all in it together.

 

Now the people too stupid to get vaccinated gave us a third wave, the tail end of which we are still stuck with. The compassion fatigue and burnout is insane.

 

It's also the PPE, I can't take 13 hour shifts in a mask and plastic anymore, this isn't a life. Plus we got our pay cut, again. Plus our trust just doesn't care.

 

Why would anyone do this job anymore?

Sad that it has come to this. Thank you for everything you have done. You deserve something better after what you've been through and are now seeing. Best wishes for the rest of your career. You have made a difference.