Coronavirus Thread

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

And masks, not sure they are being recycled...

Don’t think they will be - they are made from oil based fibres but I think there is an issue in handling them ! 

[Innovindil]

On 26/10/2021 at 11:34, Soup said:

This vax mandate is fascinating. Front line workers all over the world are not having it at all. I wonder where it will all end 

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/10/21/vaccine-mandates-decimating-police-forces-across-us/

 

 

 

All bark, no bite. 

 

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, Innovindil said:

 

All bark, no bite. 

 

 

not the best way to look at it !

 

people should be carried with you, not intimidated (financially and socially).  The strong antis will never cross the line but society needs to take the uncertain with it without coercion.  it’s very sad that so many have so little trust in the medical profession……

 

 

 

[Soup]

7 hours ago, Innovindil said:

 

All bark, no bite. 

 

People being coerced in to this is appalling. You seem happy though, give yourself a high five

[leicsmac]

58 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

not the best way to look at it !

 

people should be carried with you, not intimidated (financially and socially).  The strong antis will never cross the line but society needs to take the uncertain with it without coercion.  it’s very sad that so many have so little trust in the medical profession……

 

 

 

And in the ideal world we're hopefully working towards that would be the case.

 

However, right now, the world is imperfect and unfortunately nature sometimes doesn't answer the whims of those who want more time.

[Innovindil]

49 minutes ago, Soup said:

People being coerced in to this is appalling. You seem happy though, give yourself a high five

Absolutely correct. We shouldn't need to coerce medical professionals or people charged with protecting the public, I 100% agree. 

[whoareyaaa]

17 hours ago, Line-X said:

You are all for climate change?? Most of us are united against it. 

 

Your comment...

That you didn't choose to be vaccinated, that is your personal prerogative. I'm sure you've see it differently in cases where vaccination has been required for a foreign holiday? You may well "feel fine", in spite of the fact that you could be asymptomatically spreading the virus to others - and yes, this could still be transmitted post vaccination. As I have said before, to a few members on here, this thread and this crisis has solely been about the perceived threat to them, the worry about restrictions and the curtailment of their social life. That you choose not to remain at the very least informed smacks of denial and self-interest. 

 

In all honesty, at no stage have I worried about what this virus will do to me - Although the potential for serious illness is not lost on me, it's what it could do to those more vulnerable members of society around me and the impact upon frontline healthcare workers that is at the forefront of my mind. Perhaps I have misunderstood your post, but you (along with a small minority of members on here) seem to be solely motivated by your own well being as opposed to that of others which you appear from your post to display a shameful disregard for. At the very least, you have a duty and obligation to keep yourself abreast of developments in what is still a global healthcare crisis. 

You said that even if you are vaccinated there is a chance of you spreading it so you should really be shaking my hand as I don't go out drinking or into crowded places spreading it asymptomatically, you are the self entitled one as you have had the vaccine and are going and socialising with people potentially spreading it all over the place but because you have had the jab its OK.

 

 

 

 

[SpacedX]

4 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

You said that even if you are vaccinated there is a chance of you spreading it so you should really be shaking my hand as I don't go out drinking or into crowded places spreading it asymptomatically, 

A reduced chance maybe, but it is still there. As I said, declining the vaccination is your own personal prerogative.

 

4 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

you are the self entitled one as you have had the vaccine and are going and socialising with people potentially spreading it all over the place but because you have had the jab its OK.

A frankly astonishing series of logical fallacies that you could only encounter on the pages of Foxes Talk.

 

Firstly, how do you know that I am socialising any more than you are? That is purely your own conjecture and assumption. Being vaccinated may reduce my risk of spreading the virus but as I said, your decision not to is your personal choice. 

 

That you choose to "forget it existed" may change if you find yourself or a loved one hooked up to a ventilator. This has not gone away. You may not be "socialising" but unless you are avoiding human contact altogether which I strongly suspect is not the case, you are at risk of contracting or spreading the infection - particularly if, as you claim, you are in denial of its existence. 

Edited 2 November 2021 by Line-X

[jgtuk]

Has anyone here done any antibody tests? If so, what were the results and were you vaccinated at all?

[Soup]

5 hours ago, Innovindil said:

Absolutely correct. We shouldn't need to coerce medical professionals or people charged with protecting the public, I 100% agree. 

Of course you're right. I'm on board with that. I exercise everyday, eat very healthy, I don't smoke and I've cut down on alcohol massively just like these people have been saying for years. But yeah I'm a bad person, oh well.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Went to the walk in jab clinic at my GP surgery this morning for my booster.

 

The two main GPs were running it, and I'm always impressed by them. The messaging was very clear - they threw some stats at us, the one relevent to me being that 6 months after my second dose my immunity will have dropped to 50-60%, and the booster will increase that to 95% within 3 weeks.

 

They emphasised that no vaccine is ever 100% effective and told us in no uncertain terms to keep wearing masks indoors

 

[Innovindil]

56 minutes ago, Soup said:

Of course you're right. I'm on board with that. I exercise everyday, eat very healthy, I don't smoke and I've cut down on alcohol massively just like these people have been saying for years. But yeah I'm a bad person, oh well.

Don't think I've ever called you a bad person tbh, in fact, I don't think I've called you anything full stop. 

 

And tbh, I'm not sure why anyone on the planet would listen to and follow all of that advice, yet ignore/fight getting the jab, when it's mostly the same people suggesting getting it. Seems odd. 

[Soup]

22 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Don't think I've ever called you a bad person tbh, in fact, I don't think I've called you anything full stop. 

 

And tbh, I'm not sure why anyone on the planet would listen to and follow all of that advice, yet ignore/fight getting the jab, when it's mostly the same people suggesting getting it. Seems odd. 

Doesn't seem odd to me at all. Honestly it doesn't

[StanSP]

Dad's just tested positive now. I feel an air of inevitability of getting it now! 

 

Thankful I'm double jabbed though to hopefully prevent serious illness (as are my parents). 

[FoxesDeb]

2 hours ago, Soup said:

Of course you're right. I'm on board with that. I exercise everyday, eat very healthy, I don't smoke and I've cut down on alcohol massively just like these people have been saying for years. But yeah I'm a bad person, oh well.

Do you not find it ironic that you follow the science for everything else you do, yet not for taking the vaccine? 

[Soup]

31 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Do you not find it ironic that you follow the science for everything else you do, yet not for taking the vaccine? 

I've taken the vaccine. I just don't want to carry on getting the vaccine in some never ending cycle. I'd rather go the traditional way of looking after myself. I have no problem though if you want to do that, if you feel you need the extra protection then go for it. I'll not judge you at all. 

 

Plus I will add that doing all that I stated makes me feel good, really good. Mentally and physically. 

Edited 2 November 2021 by Soup

[Legend_in_blue]

23 minutes ago, Soup said:

I've taken the vaccine. I just don't want to carry on getting the vaccine in some never ending cycle. I'd rather go the traditional way of looking after myself. I have no problem though if you want to do that, if you feel you need the extra protection then go for it. I'll not judge you at all. 

 

Plus I will add that doing all that I stated makes me feel good, really good. Mentally and physically. 

Precisely this.

 

At what point do we go for a quadruple, quintuple, sextuple, septuple, octuple (...ad infinitum) of booster jabs?  

 

Are we barred from going on a foreign holiday for missing the quintuple booster for example?  

 

How will the NHS app cope with that?  It can barely cope with showing a double.

 

 

[Phil Bowman]

3 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

At what point do we go for a quadruple, quintuple, sextuple, septuple, octuple (...ad infinitum) of booster jabs?

What, like some people perfectly happily have flu jabs every year? If repeated jabs are doable and useful, why not? Beats dying. And even if I probably won’t die myself, it beats killing my elderly neighbour.

[FoxesDeb]

14 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Precisely this.

 

At what point do we go for a quadruple, quintuple, sextuple, septuple, octuple (...ad infinitum) of booster jabs?  

 

Are we barred from going on a foreign holiday for missing the quintuple booster for example?  

 

How will the NHS app cope with that?  It can barely cope with showing a double.

 

 

Just like you can't travel to some destinations without vaccinations for other things you mean? 

Edited 2 November 2021 by FoxesDeb

[SpacedX]

13 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Precisely this.

 

At what point do we go for a quadruple, quintuple, sextuple, septuple, octuple (...ad infinitum) of booster jabs?  

 

Are we barred from going on a foreign holiday for missing the quintuple booster for example?  

 

So what?

 

Seriously,. 

 

That's nature and medicine is there to protect you. 

[Legend_in_blue]

On 23/10/2021 at 13:45, leicsmac said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00304-7/fulltext

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/51/32293?fbclid=IwAR0VHb462M7hZ_dOUo82g9dcmkxPsabzOxNKCopm6deQ852cpYTuTo-i_B0

 

All studies taken out in the world, not in a lab.

more on the bangladesh mask study - by el gato malo - bad cattitude (substack.com)

 

It appears that there are questions being raised over the Bangladesh case study you've highlighted here in your third link.

 

Here's an interesting one:

 

Mask mandates: bad and harmful – HART (hartgroup.org)

 

Two sides of the same coin and all that goes with that.  

[SpacedX]

2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

more on the bangladesh mask study - by el gato malo - bad cattitude (substack.com)

 

It appears that there are questions being raised over the Bangladesh case study you've highlighted here in your third link.

 

Here's an interesting one:

 

Mask mandates: bad and harmful – HART (hartgroup.org)

 

Two sides of the same coin and all that goes with that.  

Jesus - how many times?

 

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

[Legend_in_blue]

40 minutes ago, Phil Bowman said:

What, like some people perfectly happily have flu jabs every year? If repeated jabs are doable and useful, why not? Beats dying. And even if I probably won’t die myself, it beats killing my elderly neighbour.

'Covid-19 will become like common cold' by next spring, say experts who claim worst of pandemic is over (inews.co.uk)

 

As reported back in September and on the BBC of all places.

 

Before becoming hasty with multiple boosters, there needs to be an extensive debate into whether or not this is an advisable route to take considering the various scientific views on this.

 

 

[Carl the Llama]

10 hours ago, Soup said:

People being coerced in to this is appalling. You seem happy though, give yourself a high five

Their motto is literally "protect and serve".

[StanSP]

I presume as time goes on, they'll develop stronger vaccines and longer-lasting ones at that, therefore only requiring them yearly.

 

Just like the flu jab...